From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Oct 13 18:44:40 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:44:22 +1100 Received: from mail2.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:3204 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:44:09 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31988 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:59:07 +1100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:59:06 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Mailing list is setup and meeting is on Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Mailing List has been set up, to post send to cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au. Meeting next tuesday night will unfortunately need to be held at the Crystal palace hotel again (on the corner of Broadway and Quay Sts in Haymarket, diagonal to Broadway bus stand) Cheers James Hamilton From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Oct 16 09:23:00 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:22:52 +1100 Received: from urn01.domain16.bigpond.com ([139.134.4.10]:21076 "EHLO urn01.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:22:42 +1100 Received: from localhost.domain16.bigpond.com (localhost.domain16.bigpond.com [127.0.0.1]) by urn01.domain16.bigpond.com (NTMail 4.30.0013/NT4023.01.57783cd4) with ESMTP id zlcybcaa for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:22:37 +1000 Received: from webmail-client1.bigpond.com ([139.134.2.140]) by urn01.domain16.bigpond.com (Claudes-Specific-MailRouter V2.9c 19/163977); 16 Oct 2000 08:22:36 X-WebMail-UserID: larpy Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:22:35 +1000 From: pod To: cb-nsw X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000114 Subject: RE: Mailing list is setup and meeting is on Message-ID: <39F0A887@milo01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.06 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox my apologies, i will not be able to make it to this tuesday's meeting [class]. also my involvement has been reduced during the past month and will be this comming month due to personal reasons. i should be able catch up at the following meeting. /pod ===== Original Message From James Hamilton jhamilton@alpha.net.au> ===== Hi Mailing List has been set up, to post send to cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au. Meeting next tuesday night will unfortunately need to be held at the Crystal palace hotel again (on the corner of Broadway and Quay Sts in Haymarket, diagonal to Broadway bus stand) Cheers James Hamilton --------------------------------- Powered by http://www.telstra.com From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Oct 17 08:51:19 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:51:12 +1100 Received: from web2902.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.45]:3876 "HELO web2902.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:50:49 +1100 Received: (qmail 2007 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2000 21:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001016215038.2006.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2902.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:50:38 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Fwd: Mailing list is setup and meeting is on To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, John August , Cameron Gardner , James Hamilton , Nik Lam , Pod Larpy , Glen Manser , Raul , Craig Warner , basil@nlc.net.au, Craig_Warner@Gilbarco.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > > Meeting next tuesday night will unfortunately need > to be held at the > Crystal palace hotel again (on the corner of > Broadway and Quay Sts in > Haymarket, diagonal to Broadway bus stand) > Time: 7:30 and onwards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 14 13:58:21 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:58:03 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:4990 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:57:54 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAE3G6I10205 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:16:06 +1100 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:16:06 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Stuff to pick up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Following a post on the slug list, I've arranged a pick up tomorrow of around 8 pentiums with mice/kb/monitors etc. Pick up needs to happen tomorrow, I can arrange storage, pickup from cbd. Anyone interested in giving me a hand James jhamilton@alpha.net.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 14 17:56:19 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:56:01 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:4569 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:55:47 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32216; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:55:36 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id SAA25108; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:58:13 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma025098; Tue Nov 14 18:57:55 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAE6DnX24485; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:13:51 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.13]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09573; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:55:13 +1100 Message-ID: <3A10E14F.FE0413C1@blue.net.au> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:53:03 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hamilton CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Stuff to pick up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox James Hamilton wrote: > > Following a post on the slug list, I've arranged a pick up tomorrow of > around 8 pentiums with mice/kb/monitors etc. > > Pick up needs to happen tomorrow, I can arrange storage, pickup from cbd. > > Anyone interested in giving me a hand > > James > > jhamilton@alpha.net.au > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list When and where. contact me on 0413 907 408 Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 14 20:24:26 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:24:19 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:1758 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:23:51 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA18600; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:23:30 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id VAA27831; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:26:10 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id smad27806; Tue Nov 14 21:25:58 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAE6o8X24555; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:50:09 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09687; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:31:33 +1100 Message-ID: <3A10E9D1.A5D6B34B@blue.net.au> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:29:21 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hamilton CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, Craige McWhirter Subject: Re: Stuff to pick up References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:52:56 +1100 From: Craige McWhirter To: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] [OT] Computer Bank - Contact Me Sorry for the off-topic but I know the Computer Bank folks are hanging around and I've lost my contact details. We have a myriad of still useful hardware for charity, mostly PC's (133/166/64Mb/1Gb). Please contact me for further details. Need to hear from you soon. Mob: 0413 538 643 Bus: 9229 1865 Again, appologies for the OT. Alternatively if someone can point me to the ComputerBank details...... -- Cheers, Craige. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 14 23:36:42 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:36:34 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:2982 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:36:10 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAECsLM27356 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:54:21 +1100 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:54:21 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Pick up - COmputerbank Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Thanks to all those who offered and thanks to Craig McWhirter who has dontaed the goods David and i will be picking up the gear tomorrow and storing it either in Glebe or Annandale till we move forward. A meeting soon perhaps - next week? James jhamilton@alpha.net.au (h) jhamilton@socialchange.net.au (w) cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 15 10:39:52 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:39:47 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:52886 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:39:23 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4332D10E3B for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:39:06 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:38:49 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Seen in Column 8 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 10:38:48 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Constant readers will know there are two charity organisations we like to help. One is Technical Aid to the Disabled (98082012), which renovates unwanted computers for use by elderly or handicapped people. It's having Today 2000 on November 25, when it will receive at 227 Morrison Road, Ryde (Coorabel entrance) unwanted 486s or better, and printers - preferably small, working dot matrix, inkjet and laser printers - and ancillary items. The other is the Charity Card Shop, selling Christmas cards on behalf of 12 charities. It's open at 262 Pitt Street, 2nd floor, 9am-4.30pm weekdays and 9am to 2.30pm Saturdays. Clip this and put it on the fridge. column8@smh.fairfax.com.au Phone: 61 02 9282 2207 Fax: 61 02 9282 2772 (Include name, suburb, phone) Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 15 14:22:06 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:21:49 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:2274 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:21:37 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAF3dlm08746; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au cc: craig_warner@Gilbarco.com.au, david@kenpro.com.au, craigem@babcockbrown.com Subject: Space for PCs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig McWhirter has kindly offered us 6 - 8 pentium systems and David and Craig have offered to help with the pickup. Unfortunately, I cant get access to our temp storage space until the weekend (keyholder sick) Can anyone look after 8 pcs incl monitors etc for a couple of days? I deally it would be somewhere where we could drop off this arvo. Cheers James jhamilton@alpha.net.au 0418 542 5514 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 15 14:29:08 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:28:51 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:43798 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:28:36 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E83510C44; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:28:09 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:27:55 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: 'James Hamilton' , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: david@kenpro.com.au, craigem@babcockbrown.com Subject: RE: Space for PCs Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:27:54 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C04EB4.0A9B65D0" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C04EB4.0A9B65D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" james I have some space in surry Hills available for a short time. do need a hand with pick up? regards craig warner w9888 4888 0413 907 408 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C04EB4.0A9B65D0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Space for PCs Message-ID: From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: craig_warner@Gilbarco.com.au, david@kenpro.com.au, craigem@babcockbrown.com Subject: Space for PCs Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Craig McWhirter has kindly offered us 6 - 8 pentium systems and David and Craig have offered to help with the pickup. Unfortunately, I cant get access to our temp storage space until the weekend (keyholder sick) Can anyone look after 8 pcs incl monitors etc for a couple of days? I deally it would be somewhere where we could drop off this arvo. Cheers James jhamilton@alpha.net.au 0418 542 5514 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C04EB4.0A9B65D0-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 15 14:58:23 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:58:16 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:3729 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:57:53 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAF4G1811782 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:16:01 +1100 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:16:00 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: My mobile no Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox is in fact 0418 542 514 Thanks david JH cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 15 17:46:18 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:46:10 +1100 Received: from sausalito.babcockbrown.com ([208.1.254.14]:41103 "EHLO sausalito.babcockbrown.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:45:54 +1100 Received: from bay.babcockbrown.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sausalito.babcockbrown.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22253; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from redwarf.babcockbrown.com by bay.babcockbrown.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id WAA10211; Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from obair by redwarf.babcockbrown.com (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA19903; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:47:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from obair ([127.0.0.1] helo=babcockbrown.com) by obair with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13vwI9-00056c-00; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:43:33 +1100 Message-ID: <3A123095.6050608@babcockbrown.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:43:33 +1100 From: Craige McWhirter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-idepci i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001018 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Warner, Craig" CC: "'James Hamilton'" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Re: Space for PCs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I haven't heard anymore about the pickup time tonight. Can anyone give me update? I'd hate to be waiting here for nought. Warner, Craig wrote: > james > > I have some space in surry Hills available for a short time. > > do need a hand with pick up? > > regards > > craig warner > w9888 4888 > 0413 907 408 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > Space for PCs > From: > > James Hamilton > Date: > > Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 > To: > > cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > > > Craig McWhirter has kindly offered us 6 - 8 pentium systems and David and > Craig have offered to help with the pickup. Unfortunately, I cant get > access to our temp storage space until the weekend (keyholder sick) > > Can anyone look after 8 pcs incl monitors etc for a couple of days? > > I deally it would be somewhere where we could drop off this arvo. > > Cheers > > > James > > jhamilton@alpha.net.au > > 0418 542 5514 > > > Space for PCs.eml > > Content-Description: > > Space for PCs > Content-Type: > > message/rfc822 -- Cheers, Craige. -------------------------------------- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 15 22:34:01 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:33:54 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:1630 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:33:40 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11699; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:33:14 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id XAA22927; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:36:15 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma022925; Wed Nov 15 23:35:57 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAFAo0X27765; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:50:15 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14394; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:31:29 +1100 Message-ID: <3A127387.EE51B66F@blue.net.au> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:29:11 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craige McWhirter CC: "Warner, Craig" , "'James Hamilton'" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: PC Pickup References: <3A123095.6050608@babcockbrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, Just letting everyone know that a whole bunch of monitors (17") and computers (Dell and Compaq 166 or greater pentiums) have been pick up from Babcock Brown. At this point I would like to thank Craige and everyone at Babcock Brown for this opportunity. What was provided beyond what I original thought. I appreciate greatly the time that Craige provided for us to pickup the equipment. The equipment we got was the pick of the crop, as we were mainly limited by available space in the vehicle. Also thanks to David and his trooper (four wheel drive) to be able to move the equipment. That was the easy task, next hard task is to inventory what was provided and get as many PC's into working condition and out to ComputerBank's clients. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Nov 16 10:45:37 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:45:31 +1100 Received: from sausalito.babcockbrown.com ([208.1.254.14]:57065 "EHLO sausalito.babcockbrown.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:45:11 +1100 Received: from bay.babcockbrown.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sausalito.babcockbrown.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09788; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from redwarf.babcockbrown.com by bay.babcockbrown.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04264; Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:10:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from obair by redwarf.babcockbrown.com (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28342; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:09:01 +1100 (EST) Received: from obair ([127.0.0.1] helo=babcockbrown.com) by obair with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13wBcH-0005La-00; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:05:21 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1316B0.80609@babcockbrown.com> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:05:20 +1100 From: Craige McWhirter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-idepci i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001018 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Warner, Craig" CC: "'James Hamilton'" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Re: Space for PCs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig, the partners collective email is: md-aus@babcockbrown.com IT is: au_systems@babcockbrown.com Warner, Craig wrote: > james > > I have some space in surry Hills available for a short time. > > do need a hand with pick up? > > regards > > craig warner > w9888 4888 > 0413 907 408 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > Space for PCs > From: > > James Hamilton > Date: > > Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 > To: > > cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > > > Craig McWhirter has kindly offered us 6 - 8 pentium systems and David and > Craig have offered to help with the pickup. Unfortunately, I cant get > access to our temp storage space until the weekend (keyholder sick) > > Can anyone look after 8 pcs incl monitors etc for a couple of days? > > I deally it would be somewhere where we could drop off this arvo. > > Cheers > > > James > > jhamilton@alpha.net.au > > 0418 542 5514 > > > Space for PCs.eml > > Content-Description: > > Space for PCs > Content-Type: > > message/rfc822 -- Cheers, Craige. -------------------------------------- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Nov 16 18:28:42 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:34 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:3156 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:28:24 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAG7jgj11245; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:45:42 +1100 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:45:42 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: Craig Warner cc: Craige McWhirter , "Warner, Craig" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Re: PC Pickup In-Reply-To: <3A127387.EE51B66F@blue.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Thank you very much to Craig, David for your efforts and a big thank you for Craige McWhirter and Babcock Brown for forcing us into action. We really should get together and see how we can move from here. How about next tuesday night? James Hamilton On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Just letting everyone know that a whole bunch of monitors (17") and > computers (Dell and Compaq 166 or greater pentiums) have been pick up > from Babcock Brown. > > At this point I would like to thank Craige and everyone at Babcock Brown > for this opportunity. What was provided beyond what I original thought. > I appreciate greatly the time that Craige provided for us to pickup the > equipment. > > The equipment we got was the pick of the crop, as we were mainly limited > by available space in the vehicle. > > Also thanks to David and his trooper (four wheel drive) to be able to > move the equipment. > > That was the easy task, next hard task is to inventory what was provided > and get as many PC's into working condition and out to ComputerBank's > clients. > > Regards > > Craig Warner > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Nov 16 20:26:44 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:26:28 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:1175 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:26:11 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25105 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:25:59 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id VAA06403 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:29:18 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma006401; Thu Nov 16 21:28:50 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAG8hoX29880 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:43:51 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17892 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:25:26 +1100 Message-ID: <3A13A77E.6F61B7BC@blue.net.au> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:23:10 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Inventory Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BAB6B3B46C4A104323E2582E" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BAB6B3B46C4A104323E2582E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, I've completed a inventory from Babcock Brown and others. Its attached as a starcalc spread sheet (those using excel, tough titties!). Any ways its done. Any comments. 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2000 17:27:56 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c05129$2435f9c0$26076f89@ronette> Reply-To: "nik lam" From: "nik lam" To: References: Subject: bits and pieces Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:31:09 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > We really should get together and see how we can move from here. > > How about next tuesday night? I cant commit to anything before wednesday week (my last exam for the year :))))))), but after that I will have weekends and evenings free again. I spent half of yesterday at work rationalising our spare parts as our office is about to move. As usual, most of it will end up in the tip, but I'd like save as much as possible. There is a range of stuff : -a dozen or more pci S3 video adapters (my guess they would pretty low res. Maybe ~2MB) -lots and lots (50+) ISA ethernet cards. A lot of them have AUI, coax and RJ45 sockets. Alot of them have network boot bios. Most are SMC. -heaps of assorted cables, including a lot of power cables (electric jug type), some external scsi cables, parallel etc etc etc. -at least half a dozen AT keyboards. -at least a dozen serial mice - mostly a weird honeywell sort which has 2 disks instead of a ball. I need to get the stuff out of the office by tuesday, so if computerbank or anyone else knows of a home for any of it, let me know. If you need to phone me, my number at work is 98509406. Oh, the stuff is all at Macquarie Uni, North Ryde. cheerio nik cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Nov 19 15:39:55 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:39:49 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:2408 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:39:25 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12194; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:39:05 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id QAA03380; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:43:18 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma003367; Sun Nov 19 16:42:53 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJ3uPX10958; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 14:56:40 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.13]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29481; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:38:20 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1758A7.5A7E3D44@blue.net.au> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:35:51 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, hector@zip.com.au Subject: Computerbank Clients Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, Nik thanks for the goodies, I think that Computerbank can use those items. I'm at work at North Ryde (Marconi) during the week. If you can somehow get them to me, I can add it to the collection. My work number is 9888 4888. We have the hardware, we have the software but we need to establish Computerbank as like TAD does. Now I believe the next step is discussions on client base. I feel that the main aim should be at the education sector i.e. TAFE or any other public institution like TAFE. The target group within TAFE etc, identify their needs and aims and how Computerbank should deliver. Ok why not Universities, social and economical needs, any one visited TAFE lately will see that the State Budget was not spend there i.e. Olympics. Universities are very well targeted by commercial software, we will not mention anti competitive companies here. If you notice on the SLUG pages, there are courses run by Geoff Robertson at Granville TAFE. I have personally donated a PC to one of Geoff's students. Now this was a computer studies student that did not own a PC but had to ask for time on other peoples PC. That's my open discussion point, I hope that we get some people interested in commenting. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 10:51:09 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:50:51 +1100 Received: from sausalito.babcockbrown.com ([208.1.254.14]:47117 "EHLO sausalito.babcockbrown.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:50:43 +1100 Received: from bay.babcockbrown.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sausalito.babcockbrown.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14098; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from redwarf.babcockbrown.com by bay.babcockbrown.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21720; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 15:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from obair by redwarf.babcockbrown.com (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA20314; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:51:46 +1100 (EST) Received: from obair ([127.0.0.1] helo=babcockbrown.com) by obair with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13xeBX-0003P3-00; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:47:47 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1866A3.4000005@babcockbrown.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:47:47 +1100 From: Craige McWhirter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-idepci i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001018 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Warner, Craig" CC: "'James Hamilton'" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Re: Space for PCs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig, did you manage to drop a quick thanks to the directors here? You may want to get one out soonish. It will be difficult for me to argue your case next time if they don't get the little pleasantries they expect. Warner, Craig wrote: > james > > I have some space in surry Hills available for a short time. > > do need a hand with pick up? > > regards > > craig warner > w9888 4888 > 0413 907 408 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > Space for PCs > From: > > James Hamilton > Date: > > Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 > To: > > cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > > > Craig McWhirter has kindly offered us 6 - 8 pentium systems and David and > Craig have offered to help with the pickup. Unfortunately, I cant get > access to our temp storage space until the weekend (keyholder sick) > > Can anyone look after 8 pcs incl monitors etc for a couple of days? > > I deally it would be somewhere where we could drop off this arvo. > > Cheers > > > James > > jhamilton@alpha.net.au > > 0418 542 5514 > > > Space for PCs.eml > > Content-Description: > > Space for PCs > Content-Type: > > message/rfc822 -- Cheers, Craige. -------------------------------------- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 10:58:14 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:57 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:52840 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:46 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63334105C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:26 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:17 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: 'Craige McWhirter' Cc: 'James Hamilton' , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: RE: Space for PCs Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:14 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C05284.7159A538" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05284.7159A538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Craige, Sorry not as yet but will either do the thank you note at lunch or tonight from home. Craig ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05284.7159A538 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Re: Space for PCs Message-ID: <3A1866A3.4000005@babcockbrown.com> From: Craige McWhirter To: "Warner, Craig" Cc: 'James Hamilton' , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Re: Space for PCs Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:47:47 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Craig, did you manage to drop a quick thanks to the directors here? You may want to get one out soonish. It will be difficult for me to argue your case next time if they don't get the little pleasantries they expect. Warner, Craig wrote: > james > > I have some space in surry Hills available for a short time. > > do need a hand with pick up? > > regards > > craig warner > w9888 4888 > 0413 907 408 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > > Space for PCs > From: > > James Hamilton > Date: > > Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:39:47 +1100 > To: > > cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > > > Craig McWhirter has kindly offered us 6 - 8 pentium systems and David and > Craig have offered to help with the pickup. Unfortunately, I cant get > access to our temp storage space until the weekend (keyholder sick) > > Can anyone look after 8 pcs incl monitors etc for a couple of days? > > I deally it would be somewhere where we could drop off this arvo. > > Cheers > > > James > > jhamilton@alpha.net.au > > 0418 542 5514 > > > Space for PCs.eml > > Content-Description: > > Space for PCs > Content-Type: > > message/rfc822 -- Cheers, Craige. -------------------------------------- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05284.7159A538-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 11:07:01 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:43 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:1099 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:20 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889558A8A4 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from elph.research.canon.com.au (elph.research.canon.com.au [203.12.174.253]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B068B10; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:57:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from research.canon.com.au (darin.research.canon.com.au [10.2.1.155]) by elph.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEA6A0; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:05:56 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A186AF6.FC7861F3@research.canon.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:06:14 +1100 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Computerbank Clients References: <3A1758A7.5A7E3D44@blue.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi, I would like to suggest a target area that computer bank may be interested in - proxy servers for public schools. DET has provided public schools with a 64k ISDN link for their internet access.... for the whole school to share :-/ Most schools don't know what to do to make this setup usable, they don't have time to learn it and the department does not have the time or resource to explain it to them. I have set up proxy servers at a couple of schools (linux + squid + named + DHCP) and it makes the whole thing a lot more usable. This kind of think could easily be delivered as an off the shelf package using a pentium grade PC with 64M or better memory. DET officially supports use of proxies in schools and will add a local school proxy to the list of proxy servers they send to school clients using their proxy auto config system. All a school would have to do to use such a system is set the IP address - minimum support from cb members; worthy cause... There is also a "linux in australian schools" mailing list from which you are sure to be able to source volunteers/helpers to do the installs. (The interest in this group extends as far as setting up linux labs in high schools for teaching networking skills.) Thoughts? Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi folks, > > Nik thanks for the goodies, I think that Computerbank can use those > items. I'm at work at North Ryde (Marconi) during the week. If you can > somehow get them to me, I can add it to the collection. > My work number is 9888 4888. > > We have the hardware, we have the software but we need to establish > Computerbank as like TAD does. Now I believe the next step is > discussions on client base. > > I feel that the main aim should be at the education sector i.e. TAFE or > any other public institution like TAFE. The target group within TAFE > etc, identify their needs and aims and how Computerbank should deliver. > Ok why not Universities, social and economical needs, any one visited > TAFE lately will see that the State Budget was not spend there i.e. > Olympics. > > Universities are very well targeted by commercial software, we will not > mention anti competitive companies here. > > If you notice on the SLUG pages, there are courses run by Geoff > Robertson at Granville TAFE. I have personally donated a PC to one of > Geoff's students. Now this was a computer studies student that did not > own a PC but had to ask for time on other peoples PC. > > That's my open discussion point, I hope that we get some people > interested in commenting. > > Regards > > Craig Warner > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 11:20:44 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:26 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:55390 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:20:08 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F7F105CE; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:19:14 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:18:58 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'md-aus@babcockbrown.com'" , "'au_systems@babcockbrown.com'" Cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" , "'craigem@babcockbrown.com'" Subject: ComputerBank donation Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:18:56 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05287.78F4A358" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05287.78F4A358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear Sir/Madame, On behalf of all the volunteers and clients of ComputerBank, I wish to thank Babcock Brown for their generous donation of the equipment. The Computerbank Project is an Australian initiative to supply computers to low income individuals, community groups and disadvantaged schools. Computerbanks across Australia are now providing IT assistance and training to low income individuals, families and under-resourced community groups and schools. Where possible, project organisations will try to help the recipients of systems and networks get internet connections. Computerbank Projects are establishing a community support and training network for all computer recipients . Once again thank Babcock Brown on behalf of the volunteers and clients of ComputerBank. www.computerbank.org.au Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05287.78F4A358 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dear Sir/Madame,
 
On behalf of all the volunteers and clients of ComputerBank, I wish to thank Babcock Brown for their generous donation of the equipment.
 
The Computerbank Project is an Australian initiative to supply computers to low income individuals, community groups and disadvantaged schools.
 
Computerbanks across Australia are now providing IT assistance and training to low income individuals, families and under-resourced community groups and schools. Where possible, project organisations will try to help the recipients of systems and networks get internet connections.

Computerbank Projects are establishing a community support and training network for all computer recipients .

Once again thank Babcock Brown on behalf of the volunteers and clients of ComputerBank.

www.computerbank.org.au

Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited
 

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C05287.78F4A358-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 12:01:29 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:22 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62242 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:01:02 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03311; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:00:15 +1100 Message-ID: <3A186965.C3BFFA07@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:59:33 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: Craige McWhirter , "Warner, Craig" , "'James Hamilton'" , david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Thanking Donees References: <3A1866A3.4000005@babcockbrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I'm not sure about the CC's so I've left them in. Craige McWhirter wrote: > > Craig, did you manage to drop a quick thanks to the directors here? > You may want to get one out soonish. It will be difficult for me to > argue your case next time if they don't get the little pleasantries > they expect. Just 2c on this. If you want/are ready for Computerbank NSW to grow and get active, then an email thank you should be step 1. Step 2 should be a letter (within the month) saying the same thing. If you include the a WWW site, it is a good idea that their donation already be acknowledged on the site. (I know the WWW stuff has a little way to go). The reasons for this are to maximise the appearance of Computerbank NSW and to gain appropriate publicity. Managers like to know that any organisation is legitimate and successful (the image of success breeds success) and if they are happy that they got a good run, then they might just mention it to their friends (other management in other companies?) and the word will spread. Whether you like to think of it this way or not, you are competing with other "demands" for that equipment, apart from TAD, etc, "interests" within the company will want them and they don't always fight fair. I would like to congratulate all concerned on the swiftness of your response. CBNSW is obviously a bit further along the track than I thought. Swift response can be a very good positive for CBNSW getting donations in future. If a manager can say let it be gone and it is (because of swift CBNSW response), then they will remember that. If someone is co-ordinating volunteers, then please note that I live in Campbelltown and have a one tone van. I wasn't available this week, but may be in future. I don't have any storage space at the moment, but some may be available later. Lastly, if some one has spare hardware that CBNSW, TAD, etc don't want, and it works and it is intel compatible, then I operate a clearing house with a view to having it used rather than junked. http://www.woa.com.au/surplus This list is available to anyone (not just charities as it currently says) for cost of postage of bits. It is mostly parts as I have very limited space for systems or monitors. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 12:25:51 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:25:43 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:63476 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:25:29 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FC1105B2; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:25:08 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:24:46 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: 'Terry Collins' Cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: RE: Thanking Donees Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:24:35 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C05290.AABC4AAE" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05290.AABC4AAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Terry, Thanks for the good pointers. I've acted on the first one but the second would require letter head paper and a post office box (gives a bit more legitimate look). But the letter will be sent (snail mail) as suggested. As I've mentioned before, we as a group need to identify the client base i.e. low income individuals, community groups and disadvantaged schools. Give the Howard Government Funding plans, disadvantaged schools may include all public schools. I've going to look into three groups for ideas for identifying clients: 1. FoodBank NSW Ltd 2. St Vincent De Paul Society 3. The Smith family That leaves out schools, I open to suggestions and comments via the cb-nsw mail list (please!). Regards Craig Warner ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05290.AABC4AAE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Thanking Donees Message-ID: <3A186965.C3BFFA07@woa.com.au> From: Terry Collins To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: Craige McWhirter , "Warner, Craig" , 'James Hamilton' , david@kenpro.com.au Subject: Thanking Donees Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:59:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm not sure about the CC's so I've left them in. Craige McWhirter wrote: > > Craig, did you manage to drop a quick thanks to the directors here? > You may want to get one out soonish. It will be difficult for me to > argue your case next time if they don't get the little pleasantries > they expect. Just 2c on this. If you want/are ready for Computerbank NSW to grow and get active, then an email thank you should be step 1. Step 2 should be a letter (within the month) saying the same thing. If you include the a WWW site, it is a good idea that their donation already be acknowledged on the site. (I know the WWW stuff has a little way to go). The reasons for this are to maximise the appearance of Computerbank NSW and to gain appropriate publicity. Managers like to know that any organisation is legitimate and successful (the image of success breeds success) and if they are happy that they got a good run, then they might just mention it to their friends (other management in other companies?) and the word will spread. Whether you like to think of it this way or not, you are competing with other "demands" for that equipment, apart from TAD, etc, "interests" within the company will want them and they don't always fight fair. I would like to congratulate all concerned on the swiftness of your response. CBNSW is obviously a bit further along the track than I thought. Swift response can be a very good positive for CBNSW getting donations in future. If a manager can say let it be gone and it is (because of swift CBNSW response), then they will remember that. If someone is co-ordinating volunteers, then please note that I live in Campbelltown and have a one tone van. I wasn't available this week, but may be in future. I don't have any storage space at the moment, but some may be available later. Lastly, if some one has spare hardware that CBNSW, TAD, etc don't want, and it works and it is intel compatible, then I operate a clearing house with a view to having it used rather than junked. http://www.woa.com.au/surplus This list is available to anyone (not just charities as it currently says) for cost of postage of bits. It is mostly parts as I have very limited space for systems or monitors. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05290.AABC4AAE-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 20 20:13:05 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:12:47 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:1236 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:12:40 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29746 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:12:28 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id VAA18925 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 21:17:07 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma018922; Mon Nov 20 21:16:54 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAK8U9X14209 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 19:30:11 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.13]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02154 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:12:15 +1100 Message-ID: <3A18EA61.8779048@blue.net.au> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 20:09:53 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Computerbank Clients References: <3A1758A7.5A7E3D44@blue.net.au> <3A186AF6.FC7861F3@research.canon.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Thanks Andrew, I would say that would be an ideal start to install proxy servers. Does any one have any schools in there local area or have close contact? Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 21 16:45:56 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:45:39 +1100 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:45493 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:45:22 +1100 Received: from unsw.edu.au (nlam.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.16.207]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eAL5jEV25254; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:45:14 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1A0BD6.32C88F59@unsw.edu.au> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:44:54 +1100 From: Nik Lam Reply-To: NikolasLam@mail.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Dorrell CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Computerbank Clients References: <3A1758A7.5A7E3D44@blue.net.au> <3A186AF6.FC7861F3@research.canon.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Andrew, I think that is a great project to start with - we wont need to worry about X capabilities and what packages to install, which is where things start to get a bit fiddly. nik P.S. Raul, I checked the bins but found nothing :( Andrew Dorrell wrote: > > Hi, > > I would like to suggest a target area that computer bank may be > interested in - proxy servers for public schools. DET has provided > public schools with a 64k ISDN link for their internet access.... for > the whole school to share :-/ > > Most schools don't know what to do to make this setup usable, they don't > have time to learn it and the department does not have the time or > resource to explain it to them. > > I have set up proxy servers at a couple of schools (linux + squid + > named + DHCP) and it makes the whole thing a lot more usable. This kind > of think could easily be delivered as an off the shelf package using a > pentium grade PC with 64M or better memory. DET officially supports use > of proxies in schools and will add a local school proxy to the list of > proxy servers they send to school clients using their proxy auto config > system. > > All a school would have to do to use such a system is set the IP address > - minimum support from cb members; worthy cause... > > There is also a "linux in australian schools" mailing list from which > you are sure to be able to source volunteers/helpers to do the > installs. (The interest in this group extends as far as setting up > linux labs in high schools for teaching networking skills.) > > Thoughts? > > -- > Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer > Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 > 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 22 08:32:31 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:32:24 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:35306 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:32:08 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA57410827 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:51 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:34 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Audit Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 08:31:32 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05402.6B6E177E" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05402.6B6E177E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've taken up Andrews great suggest and run with it. The local primary school in the area in which I live has expressed interest. Opening discussion with Deputy Head John Robb of Crown Street Primary School will hopefully occur today. The first step to be to determine their present situation and see how ComputerBank can assist with either skills and or hardware. Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05402.6B6E177E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I've taken up Andrews great suggest and run with it.
 
The local primary school in the area in which I live has expressed interest. Opening discussion with Deputy Head John Robb of Crown Street Primary School will hopefully occur today.
 
The first step to be to determine their present situation and see how ComputerBank can assist with either skills and or hardware.
 

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited
 

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C05402.6B6E177E-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 22 11:20:00 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:19:53 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:1631 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:19:39 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB4B18A898; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 00:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from research.canon.com.au (darin.research.canon.com.au [10.2.1.155]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2371F8B10; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:10:36 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A1B1119.AF682BDE@research.canon.com.au> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:19:37 +1100 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Warner, Craig" Cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Re: Audit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Thanks everybody for the support expressed for the idea. I really appreciate that. Best of luck with the openning discussion. I would not make your scope too broad however or you will spend hours reparing windows clients :( > "Warner, Craig" wrote: > > I've taken up Andrews great suggest and run with it. > > The local primary school in the area in which I live has expressed > interest. Opening discussion with Deputy Head John Robb of Crown > Street Primary School will hopefully occur today. > > The first step to be to determine their present situation and see how > ComputerBank can assist with either skills and or hardware. > > > Regards > Craig Warner > Field Services Technical Support Officer > Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited > > > -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Nov 23 15:52:58 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:52:50 +1100 Received: from sausalito.babcockbrown.com ([208.1.254.14]:47168 "EHLO sausalito.babcockbrown.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:52:27 +1100 Received: from bay.babcockbrown.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sausalito.babcockbrown.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29165; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from redwarf.babcockbrown.com by bay.babcockbrown.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id UAA14220; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from obair by redwarf.babcockbrown.com (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21604; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:53:14 +1100 (EST) Received: from obair ([127.0.0.1] helo=babcockbrown.com) by obair with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13yoKO-0000MH-00; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:49:44 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1CA1E8.1030206@babcockbrown.com> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:49:44 +1100 From: Craige McWhirter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-idepci i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001018 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Waldron CC: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Re: ComputerBank NSW References: <3A1088B6.6030604@babcockbrown.com> <20001117.2242522@Murray_Eng.melcoa.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Murray, I cannot tell you this as I'm not involved with Computer Bank other than recently making a donation (at this point anyway). I've forwarded your question onto the CB NSW list and they can hopefully answer your question. Murray Waldron wrote: > G'day Craige. > > I was wondering what was happening with ComputerBank NSW. I send a few > emails off to John Coote but he hasn't replied. (I haven't been involved > yet in the computerbank project, but can now start giving some time.) > > So can you tell me what's happening. Are there any meetings planned, > copies of the minutes from the first meeting, etc? Basically any info? > > Thanks > Murray > > m.waldron@melcoa.com.au -- Cheers, Craige. -------------------------------------- Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Nov 23 18:48:12 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:47:54 +1100 Received: from mx.ext.ip.net.au ([203.32.160.15]:2980 "EHLO mx.ext.ip.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:47:41 +1100 Received: from gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (gatekeeper.zircon.com.au [203.4.185.1]) by mx.ext.ip.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05984; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:47:24 +1100 Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au (8.6.5/8.6.7) id TAA07667; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:50:28 +1100 Received: from bm.maxwell.com.au(203.32.168.82) by gatekeeper.zircon.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma007665; Thu Nov 23 19:50:18 2000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAN76uE10232; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:06:56 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.17]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15623; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:47:05 +1100 Message-ID: <3A1CCAE5.9DFB5001@blue.net.au> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:44:37 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Waldron , "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Re: ComputerBank NSW References: <3A1088B6.6030604@babcockbrown.com> <20001117.2242522@Murray_Eng.melcoa.com.au> <3A1CA1E8.1030206@babcockbrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Murray, I have not heard form John sometime. I hope that everything is all right with John. As I don't have a contact number for him. To keep the idea of Computerbank alive and kicking, I am putting it to the list that my name can be used as a temporary contact one until John gets back to us. I hope that is ok with everyone. We have the computers, we have the software, we have the school. So lets get together and see what we can do as a group. Craig Craige McWhirter wrote: > > Murray, I cannot tell you this as I'm not involved with Computer > Bank other than recently making a donation (at this point anyway). > I've forwarded your question onto the CB NSW list and they can > hopefully answer your question. > > Murray Waldron wrote: > > > G'day Craige. > > > > I was wondering what was happening with ComputerBank NSW. I send a few > > emails off to John Coote but he hasn't replied. (I haven't been involved > > yet in the computerbank project, but can now start giving some time.) > > > > So can you tell me what's happening. Are there any meetings planned, > > copies of the minutes from the first meeting, etc? Basically any info? > > > > Thanks > > Murray > > > > m.waldron@melcoa.com.au > > -- > > Cheers, > Craige. > > -------------------------------------- > Apt-get a clue. Apt-get Debian. > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 10:55:35 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:55:21 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:63601 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:55:05 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ED6105A0; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:54:56 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:54:54 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'rodney@linuxworld.com.au'" , "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:54:53 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05804.4565332C" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05804.4565332C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rodney, On the slug list that you mention that you may have some hardware available for ComputerBank. I believe that ComputerBank is very interested. Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05804.4565332C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Rodney,
 
On the slug list that you mention that you may have some hardware available for ComputerBank.
 
I believe that ComputerBank is very interested.

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C05804.4565332C-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 11:06:06 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:05:48 +1100 Received: from [203.34.46.50] ([203.34.46.50]:4616 "EHLO linuxworld.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:05:36 +1100 Received: from localhost (rodney@localhost) by linuxworld.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32217; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:06:29 +1100 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:06:29 +1100 (EST) From: Rodney Gedda To: Ben Donohue cc: Ken Caldwell , TerryCollins , Ken Foskey , David , James Hamilton , CB NSW Subject: Re: [SLUG] speaking of HW ... In-Reply-To: <3A2067AE.776BE0F2@icafe.com.au> Message-ID: X-Message-Flag: Linux - the alternative operating system - http://www.linux.org X-Mailer: PINE 4.21 X-Thought: Learning Linux is like climbing a steep mountain - sure it's hard work but the view gets better as you get higher. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14-5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox 'Ben Donohue' typed: > I just rung your work number but got your answering machine. It is Sunday but, > hey, some people like to go to work on Sunday and do there own thing... Hey, I'm not that keen...:-) > anyway I want to fix up a gateway machine for a non profit organisation i do > some voluntary work for so if you'd like to throw some hardware my way i'd > appreciate it. i want to setup a linux internet gateway for them so all round Thanks to all those who are interested. The good news is that the pile is still here (Monday morning) at our offices in St Leonards. Cristie St is off the Pacific Hwy. Terry, if you are coming from Cambelltown it is probably not worth the journey. As for how much longer before it is taken away, who knows. Therefore, please let me know when you are coming and I will confirm the availability. So it is a case of "yes I would like the stuff to be donated to charity but someone can use hardware for a server if it saves it from being thrown away". Again, the pile consists of; - Eight or so mini-towers ranging from 486s to P100s, 8 to 16MB RAM and hard drives from 500MB to 1.2GB. All have been tested (not by me;) and are apparently in working order. Most have NICs (hint...hint...). - A box of keyboards. - A selection of (?working?) monitors. - An assortment of empty PC cases. So please lets negotiate quickly on this one. Regards, Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.au St Leonards NSW 2065 rodney@linuxworld.com.au http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 11:16:54 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:16:34 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:33636 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:16:18 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30B4105E4; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:16:16 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:16:16 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: 'Rodney Gedda' , "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: RE: your mail Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:16:15 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C05807.41D7F020" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05807.41D7F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Rodney, Thanks for that. My honorary or infamous position with ComputerBank NSW is chief scrounger or gopher 1st class. I respond to getting the hardware when it comes available under the direction of John Cootes (john_cootes@rocketmail.com). Regards Craig Warner ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05807.41D7F020 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Re: your mail Message-ID: From: Rodney Gedda To: "Warner, Craig" Subject: Re: your mail Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:07:52 +1100 X-Message-Flag: Linux - the alternative operating system - http://www.linu x.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Craig, I just sent a message to the CB NSW mailing list about the scenario. let me know what you think. Regards, Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.au St Leonards NSW 2065 rodney@linuxworld.com.au http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ ------_=_NextPart_000_01C05807.41D7F020-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 11:33:25 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:33:08 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:35269 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:33:00 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA191068A for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:32:58 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:32:57 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: FW: your mail Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:32:56 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: your mail Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: 'David' Cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.com.au'" Subject: RE: your mail Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:30:53 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C05809.96420D38" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C05809.96420D38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi David, If you would not mind, yes love to use the troop transporter. Have to get some more information back from Rodney about what and when the hardware is available. Craig ------_=_NextPart_002_01C05809.96420D38 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: RE: your mail Message-ID: From: David To: "Warner, Craig" Subject: RE: your mail Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:26:33 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Craig, If you need transport, let me know. As long as I have notice, it usually won't be a problem. David (with red landcruiser ;-) On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Warner, Craig wrote: > Hi Rodney, > > Thanks for that. > > My honorary or infamous position with ComputerBank NSW is chief scrounger or > gopher 1st class. > > I respond to getting the hardware when it comes available under the > direction of John Cootes (john_cootes@rocketmail.com). > > Regards > > Craig Warner > > > ------_=_NextPart_002_01C05809.96420D38-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 11:42:49 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:42:41 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:36153 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:42:21 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3848E106D2; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:42:19 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:42:18 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: 'Rodney Gedda' , "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Hardware Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:42:18 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0580A.E51B114C" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0580A.E51B114C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rodney, I've been in contact with another computerbanker arranging transport for the equipment. When and how is a good date and time for pick up? Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0580A.E51B114C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Rodney,
 
I've been in contact with another computerbanker arranging transport for the equipment.
 
When and how is a good date and time for pick up?

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C0580A.E51B114C-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 11:51:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:51:48 +1100 Received: from [203.34.46.50] ([203.34.46.50]:4779 "EHLO linuxworld.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:51:22 +1100 Received: from localhost (rodney@localhost) by linuxworld.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00375; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:53:07 +1100 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:53:07 +1100 (EST) From: Rodney Gedda To: "Warner, Craig" cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Re: Hardware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Message-Flag: Linux - the alternative operating system - http://www.linux.org X-Mailer: PINE 4.21 X-Thought: Learning Linux is like climbing a steep mountain - sure it's hard work but the view gets better as you get higher. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14-5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox 'Warner, Craig' typed: > I've been in contact with another computerbanker arranging transport for the > equipment. > When and how is a good date and time for pick up? ASAP!! :-) Anytime during the day is good (9:00-5:00). Give me a call and we can arrange something. Rod |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ Rodney Gedda BEng(Hons) Ph +612 9902 2728 Technical Journalist 88 Christie st LinuxWorld.com.au St Leonards NSW 2065 rodney@linuxworld.com.au http://www.linuxworld.com.au |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ - |_ \/\/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 13:17:34 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:17:15 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:44291 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:17:01 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99639106BB for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:16:58 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:16:53 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:16:52 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05818.1B400EFA" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05818.1B400EFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi folks, Does any one have a station wagon/van size vehicle available for a pickup during the hours of 9:00-5:00 in the next day of so at St Leonards to transport into Surry Hills? There are a number of PC's plus other stuff at Linuxworld. Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05818.1B400EFA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi folks,
 
Does any one have a station wagon/van size vehicle available for a pickup during the hours of 9:00-5:00 in the next day of so at St Leonards to transport into Surry Hills?
 
There are a number of PC's plus other stuff at Linuxworld.

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C05818.1B400EFA-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Nov 27 17:28:16 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:28:08 +1100 Received: from web2904.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.47]:2040 "HELO web2904.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:27:54 +1100 Received: (qmail 13970 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2000 06:27:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20001127062742.13969.qmail@web2904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2904.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:27:42 PST Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: back in circulation To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All I've been away for a couple of weeks, and it looks like the couple of weeks where things started to really go off. My apologies that I didnt let anyone know I wouldnt be around. James, Craig - I'm going to call you guys to talk to. Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 28 09:26:27 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:26:19 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:61486 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:26:06 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4571710A14; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:25:26 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:25:03 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" , "'rodney@linuxworld.com.au'" , "'hector@zip.com.au'" Subject: Computerbank Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:25:02 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C058C0.E2C3F6B4" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C058C0.E2C3F6B4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi folks, John Cootes made contact on Monday after a couple of weeks holidays. Any way good to hear from John. John has indicated that he will be hopefully picking up the hardware from linuxworld today. That logistics problem is out of the way. I'm still in contact with Crown Street Primary School in Surry Hills. Its taking a bit longer than I thought to nail this one down. John Robb, the deputy Head whom I having discussions is very hard to track down some times. Basil Potts, who headed ComputerBank NSW last year suggested that we should work with TAFE on some project. I've take that one on board and had some discussions with Geoffrey Robertson at Granville TAFE. For those who don't know Geoffrey, he start the only TAFE course specific teaching Linux (see www.slug.org.au ). He has done a lot of work getting these courses passed the TAFE bean counters. Geoffrey has informed me that some of the students at Granville TAFE meet the definitions set down by ComputerBank. I believe it would be in ComputerBanks interest to work with Geoffrey to provide some 'seeding' hardware and other skills at TAFE. Geoffrey has also been in touch with RedHat, SGI and other commercial providers of Linux to be involved in the set-up of a 'Linux lab' for students and other interested people in Sydney. I'm open for comments about Granville TAFE suggestion. One final comment as of the 15th December my employment will terminate at Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited. So my contact email will be craigw@blue.net.au . Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C058C0.E2C3F6B4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi folks,
 
John Cootes made contact on Monday after a couple of weeks holidays. Any way good to hear from John.
 
John has indicated that he will be hopefully picking up the hardware from linuxworld today.
 
That logistics problem is out of the way.
 
I'm still in contact with Crown Street Primary School in Surry Hills. Its taking a bit longer than I thought to nail this one down. John Robb, the deputy Head whom I having discussions is very hard to track down some times.
 
Basil Potts, who headed ComputerBank NSW last year suggested that we should work with TAFE on some project. I've take that one on board and had some discussions with Geoffrey Robertson at Granville TAFE. For those who don't know Geoffrey, he start the only TAFE course specific teaching Linux (see www.slug.org.au).
 
He has done a lot of work getting these courses passed the TAFE bean counters. Geoffrey has informed me that some of the students at Granville TAFE meet the definitions set down by ComputerBank. I believe it would be in ComputerBanks interest to work with Geoffrey to provide some 'seeding' hardware and other skills at TAFE.
 
Geoffrey has also been in touch with RedHat, SGI and other commercial providers of Linux to be involved in the set-up  of a 'Linux lab' for students and other interested people in Sydney.
 
I'm open for comments about Granville TAFE suggestion.
 
One final comment as of the 15th December my employment will terminate at Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited. So my contact email will be craigw@blue.net.au.

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C058C0.E2C3F6B4-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 28 13:19:22 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:19:04 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:3205 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:18:50 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604478A897; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from research.canon.com.au (darin.research.canon.com.au [10.2.1.155]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91AF8B10; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:09:21 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2315FF.5EF25372@research.canon.com.au> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:18:39 +1100 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Warner, Craig" Cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: Re: Computerbank References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > "Warner, Craig" wrote: > > Hi folks, > > John Cootes made contact on Monday after a couple of weeks holidays. > Any way good to hear from John. > > John has indicated that he will be hopefully picking up the hardware > from linuxworld today. > > That logistics problem is out of the way. > > I'm still in contact with Crown Street Primary School in Surry Hills. > Its taking a bit longer than I thought to nail this one down. John > Robb, the deputy Head whom I having discussions is very hard to track > down some times. > > Basil Potts, who headed ComputerBank NSW last year suggested that we > should work with TAFE on some project. I've take that one on board and > had some discussions with Geoffrey Robertson at Granville TAFE. For > those who don't know Geoffrey, he start the only TAFE course specific > teaching Linux (see www.slug.org.au). > > He has done a lot of work getting these courses passed the TAFE bean > counters. Geoffrey has informed me that some of the students at > Granville TAFE meet the definitions set down by ComputerBank. I > believe it would be in ComputerBanks interest to work with Geoffrey to > provide some 'seeding' hardware and other skills at TAFE. Are the machines going to the students or the TAFE? If TAFE, sounds like a reasonable cause. (I'm big on helping the education sector) > Geoffrey has also been in touch with RedHat, SGI and other commercial > providers of Linux to be involved in the set-up of a 'Linux lab' for > students and other interested people in Sydney. > > I'm open for comments about Granville TAFE suggestion. > > One final comment as of the 15th December my employment will terminate > at Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited. So my contact email > will be craigw@blue.net.au. > > Regards > Craig Warner > Field Services Technical Support Officer > Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited > > -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 28 13:51:40 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:23 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:57360 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:14 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8736911163; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:10 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:08 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" , "'hector@zip.com.au'" Subject: Granville TAFE Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:51:08 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C058E6.0EF24B3A" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C058E6.0EF24B3A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew, The public education sector at the moment is under a lot of pressure from both Government, State and Federal budgets. I'm not kind of interested any private educators even if they cry poor. As to the hardware donation. That's one of the details that would need to be appraised, about who and what is provided. I tend to go towards the proposition of a 'Linux Lab', where access to a wider group of students and others should be the rule. This is not to say that there will be individuals depending on their circumstances should be provided with a computer. This is something which Geoffrey should indicate what he believes its best for every one concerned. At the moment the Linux courses run through Granville TAFE are with machines that are dual boot with WindowsNT. Over the summer holiday period perhaps ComputerBank NSW should try and consolidate the equipment received so far and formula a plan with Geoffrey, if that's the way we what to approach, to be in place for the start of the next semester. Back the forum for more discussion. Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C058E6.0EF24B3A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Andrew,
 
The public education sector at the moment is under a lot of pressure from both Government, State and Federal budgets. I'm not kind of interested any private educators even if they cry poor.
 
As to the hardware donation.
 
That's one of the details that would need to be appraised, about who and what is provided.
 
I tend to go towards the proposition of a 'Linux Lab', where access to a wider group of students and others should be the rule. This is not to say that there will be individuals depending on their circumstances should be provided with a computer.
 
This is something which Geoffrey should indicate what he believes its best for every one concerned.
 
At the moment the Linux courses run through Granville TAFE are with machines that are dual boot with WindowsNT.
 
Over the summer holiday period perhaps ComputerBank NSW should try and consolidate the equipment received so far and formula a plan with  Geoffrey, if that's the way we what to approach, to be in place for the start of the next semester.
 
Back the forum for more discussion.

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C058E6.0EF24B3A-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 28 14:06:32 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:06:14 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:4506 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:06:03 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD23D8A8A3; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from research.canon.com.au (darin.research.canon.com.au [10.2.1.155]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510928B10; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:56:43 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A232118.683FE4E5@research.canon.com.au> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:06:00 +1100 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Warner, Craig" Cc: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" , "'hector@zip.com.au'" Subject: Re: Granville TAFE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > "Warner, Craig" wrote: > > Andrew, > > The public education sector at the moment is under a lot of pressure > from both Government, State and Federal budgets. I'm not kind of > interested any private educators even if they cry poor. Agreed. > As to the hardware donation. > > That's one of the details that would need to be appraised, about who > and what is provided. > > I tend to go towards the proposition of a 'Linux Lab', where access to > a wider group of students and others should be the rule. This is not > to say that there will be individuals depending on their circumstances > should be provided with a computer. Donations to individuals, needy or not, opens a grey area that I susspect Computer bank should stay away from. > This is something which Geoffrey should indicate what he believes its > best for every one concerned. > > At the moment the Linux courses run through Granville TAFE are with > machines that are dual boot with WindowsNT. > > Over the summer holiday period perhaps ComputerBank NSW should try and > consolidate the equipment received so far and formula a plan with > Geoffrey, if that's the way we what to approach, to be in place for > the start of the next semester. > > Back the forum for more discussion. > > Regards > Craig Warner > Field Services Technical Support Officer > Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited > > -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Nov 28 14:56:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:56:36 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:65041 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:56:20 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AE810B27; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:55:53 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:55:47 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" , "'hector@zip.com.au'" Subject: RE: Granville TAFE Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:55:46 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Andrew, Your right about not providing on an individual basis, too many grey areas. I'm waiting to heard back from Geoffrey about this discussion. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Nov 29 16:21:43 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:21:36 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:4820 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:21:23 +1100 Received: (qmail 13995 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2000 05:20:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20001129052052.13994.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:20:52 PST Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:20:52 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Computers picked up from Linuxworld To: CB NSW Cc: Rodney Gedda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All This morning I picked some PCs from Linuxworld in St Leonards. although I haven't turned them on and seen them working, we now have another 4 x PCs (486s) 5 x Monitors 6 x keyboards Rodney, thankyou very much for these. Also, I have spoken to BP in Melbourne (BP and CB have been talking in Victoria. BP have dontated both old PCs and CASH to CB VIc), who put me on to the Sydney branach who have around 30 PCs to get rid of. I will be talking to the Sydney person this afternoon. Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Nov 30 08:17:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:17:35 +1100 Received: from web2901.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.44]:3113 "HELO web2901.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:17:25 +1100 Received: (qmail 16801 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2000 21:17:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20001129211720.16800.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:17:20 PST Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Sydney Premises To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Morning all does anyone know any more about premises for CBNSW? James - are you out there? John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 1 09:22:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:22:38 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2247 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:22:25 +1100 Received: (qmail 18236 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2000 22:22:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20001130222210.18235.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:22:10 PST Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Premises, Pick up and Meet for drinks To: CB NSW , Cameron Gardner , Nik Lam , Pod Larpy , Glen Manser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All 1. Does anyone have any more suggestions for a workshop? 2. BP in Rosehill have a bunch of computers to pick up. I'd like to go and get what we can one morning next week, I will need help to pick up and store whatever we get from BP. If you can help please let me know and we'll sort it out between ourselves and the BP contact person. 3. Who would like to meet for a few drinks sometime soon. I hesitate to call it a meeting, but I would like to get together with a few people and talk about what we have acheived so far, and what's our next step forward. Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Dec 3 19:24:17 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:24:00 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:1659 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:23:44 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10728 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:25:29 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB37gRs27395 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:42:28 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17465 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:23:23 +1100 Message-ID: <3A2A024C.425F9378@blue.net.au> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:20:28 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Pick up Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John, Give me a call about helping with the pick up. I'm looking at taking an RDO this week. Tuesday or Wednesday. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Dec 4 11:51:33 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:51:26 +1100 Received: from web2906.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.49]:2045 "HELO web2906.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:51:05 +1100 Received: (qmail 22664 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Dec 2000 00:50:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20001204005047.22663.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2906.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 16:50:47 PST Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Pick Up from BP in Rosehill To: David , Craig Warner Cc: CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox David Tuesday / Wednesday pick up sounds great either before or after working hours. I hear you have a 4wd which could help in getting the stuff away from BP. Please call me ASAP to discuss on 0419 434 770 or 9722 3335 (w). Craig Warner and I will be available to help load, and I can fit a few PCs in my corolla. The pick up address is BP Gate 3 Durham Street Rosehill 2142 Contact Linda Chapman 8868 0439 Alternately Anyone on the list have a van available for this week?? Regards John Coote --- David wrote: > > At this point, Tues/Wed looks ok for me. Presumably > after working hours > (I'm flexible), and the Clock Hotel is as good a > place as any. Time is up > to you guys. Other suggestions more than welcome. > > David > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > > > Hi David > > If you don't mind having the CBNSW workshop in > your > > home, then I think we can work around the access > > restrictions. Really I feel that we just need to > get > > started and things *should* become easier quite > > quickly. > > How about sometime early next week for drinks? > > > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > i have a possible space for workshop, that has > the > > > added benefit of a > > > permanent net connection. The downside is that > it's > > > in my home (Surry > > > Hills), so there would not be unrestricted > access. > > > Discussion over drinks > > > is a good idea. I can also offer limited > transport. > > > > > > David. > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > 1. Does anyone have any more suggestions for a > > > > workshop? > > > > 2. BP in Rosehill have a bunch of computers to > > > pick > > > > up. I'd like to go and get what we can one > morning > > > > next week, I will need help to pick up and > store > > > > whatever we get from BP. If you can help > please > > > let me > > > > know and we'll sort it out between ourselves > and > > > the > > > > BP contact person. > > > > 3. Who would like to meet for a few drinks > > > sometime > > > > soon. I hesitate to call it a meeting, but I > would > > > > like to get together with a few people and > talk > > > about > > > > what we have acheived so far, and what's our > next > > > step > > > > forward. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > John Coote > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Dec 4 12:17:37 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:17:31 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:4661 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:17:04 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62538A89D; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from research.canon.com.au (darin.research.canon.com.au [10.2.1.155]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A1C8B19; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 12:07:28 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2AF08D.7D66A72B@research.canon.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:17:01 +1100 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Coote Cc: David , Craig Warner , CB NSW Subject: Re: Pick Up from BP in Rosehill References: <20001204005047.22663.qmail@web2906.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Guys, If this is the one on James Ruse Drive then I drive past it in a van each day... John Coote wrote: > > David > Tuesday / Wednesday pick up sounds great either before > or after working hours. I hear you have a 4wd which > could help in getting the stuff away from BP. > Please call me ASAP to discuss on 0419 434 770 or 9722 > 3335 (w). Craig Warner and I will be available to help > load, and I can fit a few PCs in my corolla. > > The pick up address is > BP > Gate 3 > Durham Street > Rosehill 2142 > Contact Linda Chapman 8868 0439 > > Alternately > Anyone on the list have a van available for this > week?? > > Regards > John Coote > > --- David wrote: > > > At this point, Tues/Wed looks ok for me. Presumably > > after working hours > > (I'm flexible), and the Clock Hotel is as good a > > place as any. Time is up > > to you guys. Other suggestions more than welcome. > > > > David > > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > > > > > Hi David > > > If you don't mind having the CBNSW workshop in > > your > > > home, then I think we can work around the access > > > restrictions. Really I feel that we just need to > > get > > > started and things *should* become easier quite > > > quickly. > > > How about sometime early next week for drinks? > > > > > > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > > i have a possible space for workshop, that has > > the > > > > added benefit of a > > > > permanent net connection. The downside is that > > it's > > > > in my home (Surry > > > > Hills), so there would not be unrestricted > > access. > > > > Discussion over drinks > > > > is a good idea. I can also offer limited > > transport. > > > > > > > > David. > > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any more suggestions for a > > > > > workshop? > > > > > 2. BP in Rosehill have a bunch of computers to > > > > pick > > > > > up. I'd like to go and get what we can one > > morning > > > > > next week, I will need help to pick up and > > store > > > > > whatever we get from BP. If you can help > > please > > > > let me > > > > > know and we'll sort it out between ourselves > > and > > > > the > > > > > BP contact person. > > > > > 3. Who would like to meet for a few drinks > > > > sometime > > > > > soon. I hesitate to call it a meeting, but I > > would > > > > > like to get together with a few people and > > talk > > > > about > > > > > what we have acheived so far, and what's our > > next > > > > step > > > > > forward. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > John Coote > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > > Products. > > > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Dec 4 22:00:37 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:00:21 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:2517 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:00:05 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13029 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:02:00 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB4AIks32459 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:18:46 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.17]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA20910 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:59:53 +1100 Message-ID: <3A2B7881.77D84E49@blue.net.au> Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 21:57:05 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: meeting/Crown Street Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, Would be great to have a meeting but Tuesday Night will be the last time my present employer will have the pleasure to share the Christmas spirit (not). Yes its the Company Christmas party and it my last chance to eat and drink myself silly at the company's expense. On a different note, the person who runs the computers at Crown Street primary school has been in contact. According or if I right, they, the school, are not interested, in a proxy server. The school would prefer to have a student computer lab, with the 'standard' packages of word, excel and etc. Linux, staroffice etc does not even register on the radar. Nor does the cost of having license of having those commercial packages. So in the end I ask that the school put forward a proposal on what and how they would use the equipment provided by ComputerBank. Lets see what happens. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 5 10:42:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:42:34 +1100 Received: from sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au ([24.192.3.29]:63174 "EHLO sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:42:26 +1100 Received: from DavidMichael (CPE-144-132-212-161.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.212.161]) by sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11076 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:42:18 +1100 (EDT) Message-ID: <001d01c05eb0$97742440$a1d48490@nsw.bigpond.net.au> From: "David" To: Subject: CB NSW Newsletter Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:43:29 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05F0C.C9D06D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05F0C.C9D06D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To whom it may concern=20 Hi my name is David Michael, i recently spoke to John Coote briefly and = decided to subscribe for the Computer Bank newsletter. 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Hi my name is David Michael, i recently = spoke to=20 John Coote briefly and decided to subscribe for the Computer Bank = newsletter. If=20 some one can get back to me before the 12 December, 2000 i would realy=20 appreciate it because i am attending a venue at Crystal Place=20 Hotel 789 George St Sydney 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C05F0C.C9D06D20-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 5 16:31:23 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:31:15 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:3217 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:31:02 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14787 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:31:59 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB54kWs03747 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:46:49 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23609 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:27:07 +1100 Message-ID: <3A2C7C03.EA05502C@blue.net.au> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:24:19 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: [Fwd: Computers for Crown St] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, John, David and myself went to BP out at Rose Hill to pick up some PC's. Thanks to BP we have added a few notebooks, monitors and a PC to the ComputerBank supply. I went today and visited Crown Street Public school and their IT sucks big time. Once again there is no money available for the school for 2001 for IT, the network is novell 4, microsoft has it and the education department screw with software. All they are interested is PC's as hardware as with all schools (thats public) there is no resources available. I do believe a proxy server would suit their needs but I need to education their casual IT (two days a week) person. I think it may be an up hill battle. I feel that Andrew has some very good ideas about proxy servers. Anyway I've attached a email from Crowns Street Primary to ComputerBank. Regards Craig Warner -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Computers for Crown St Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:45:54 +1100 From: Virtual Teacher To: craigw@blue.net.au CC: d3935pn1@ozemail.com.au Hi Craig, It was good to speak with you last night. here are the web addresses as promised. Virtual Teacher - this is a site I run which contains a lot of resources for Primary school teachers and has a subscriber base of approx 2,000 teachers. there is a newsletter run from this site which is available fortnightly. http://www.virtualteacher.com.au Crown St - this site has been developed as a resource only over the last few terms for use by Crown St pupils and staff. In 2001 I would like to develop the site further, as part of the students program, so that it becomes a resource for the wider community. http://www.ozemail.com.au/~d3935pn1/ As discussed last evening I would like to develop a media publication centre at the school over the next twelve months, involving particularly senior school students at Crown St. Could you please send me further details of the computer, operating system and programs that we discussed so that I can incorporate this into the document. thanks Cathy An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs against it. - Bill Bernbach I'd like to see a little magic rubbing off at Crown St in 2001 cc: Jon Robb, Valerie Martin cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 5 16:44:29 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:44:12 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:3241 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:43:57 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14847 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:44:39 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB54wos03810 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:59:32 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23649 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:39:46 +1100 Message-ID: <3A2C7EFA.1157F1AC@blue.net.au> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:36:58 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Notebook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John, One of the notebooks has had the bios password enabled. Its the Dell Notebook Latitude LXPi CDM166ST 66707 Serial Number 9Y6M37251 BP asset tag AZPARW0012 Does any one know how to reset bios password? Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 5 16:49:57 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:49:41 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:1469 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:49:36 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2C8A899; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 05:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from research.canon.com.au (darin.research.canon.com.au [10.2.1.155]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035CC8B10; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:39:58 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A2C81ED.38695A6@research.canon.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:49:33 +1100 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-22smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Warner Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Fwd: Computers for Crown St] References: <3A2C7C03.EA05502C@blue.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox CBers, You may be interested to know... along the lines of the TAFE site... Nepean high school has expressed interest in setting up a linux lab. The IT person there is a bit cluey and is interested in experimenting with thin clients and networking classes as well as using star office etc. Any assistance, technical and / or hardware would actually be appreciated here... I know its a bit out west... but hey - they need help out there. Contact Frank van Zanten (I have no kids at this school (not likely to either BTW) but have helped set up a proxy for them in the past and will be doing domain email in the near future.) Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi all, > > John, David and myself went to BP out at Rose Hill to pick up some PC's. > Thanks to BP we have added a few notebooks, monitors and a PC to the > ComputerBank supply. > > I went today and visited Crown Street Public school and their IT sucks > big time. Once again there is no money available for the school for 2001 > for IT, the network is novell 4, microsoft has it and the education > department screw with software. > > All they are interested is PC's as hardware as with all schools (thats > public) there is no resources available. I do believe a proxy server > would suit their needs but I need to education their casual IT (two days > a week) person. I think it may be an up hill battle. > > I feel that Andrew has some very good ideas about proxy servers. > > Anyway I've attached a email from Crowns Street Primary to ComputerBank. > > Regards > > Craig Warner > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Computers for Crown St > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:45:54 +1100 > From: Virtual Teacher > To: craigw@blue.net.au > CC: d3935pn1@ozemail.com.au > > Hi Craig, > > It was good to speak with you last night. here are the web addresses > as promised. > > Virtual Teacher - this is a site I run which contains a lot of > resources for Primary school teachers and has a subscriber base of > approx 2,000 teachers. there is a newsletter run from this site which > is available fortnightly. > http://www.virtualteacher.com.au > Crown St - this site has been developed as a resource only over the > last few terms for use by Crown St pupils and staff. In 2001 I would > like to develop the site further, as part of the students program, so > that it becomes a resource for the wider community. > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~d3935pn1/ > > As discussed last evening I would like to develop a media publication > centre at the school over the next twelve months, involving > particularly senior school students at Crown St. > Could you please send me further details of the computer, operating > system and programs that we discussed so that I can incorporate this > into the document. > > thanks > > Cathy > > An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs > against it. > - Bill Bernbach > > I'd like to see a little magic rubbing off at Crown St in 2001 > > cc: Jon Robb, Valerie Martin > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 5 17:23:51 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:23:45 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:1738 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:23:18 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28656; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:22:21 +1100 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:22:21 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Andrew Dorrell cc: Craig Warner , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Fwd: Computers for Crown St] In-Reply-To: <3A2C81ED.38695A6@research.canon.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Any place that is keen and is a good cause sounds like a good idea. Once we have one up and running, it will be a lot easier to get another one going. Being out west is a relatively minor issue. Isn't that the idea of the IT revolution? decentralising? On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Andrew Dorrell wrote: > CBers, > > You may be interested to know... along the lines of the TAFE site... > Nepean high school has expressed interest in setting up a linux lab. > The IT person there is a bit cluey and is interested in experimenting > with thin clients and networking classes as well as using star office > etc. > > Any assistance, technical and / or hardware would actually be > appreciated here... I know its a bit out west... but hey - they need > help out there. > > Contact Frank van Zanten > > (I have no kids at this school (not likely to either BTW) but have > helped set up a proxy for them in the past and will be doing domain > email in the near future.) > > > Craig Warner wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > John, David and myself went to BP out at Rose Hill to pick up some PC's. > > Thanks to BP we have added a few notebooks, monitors and a PC to the > > ComputerBank supply. > > > > I went today and visited Crown Street Public school and their IT sucks > > big time. Once again there is no money available for the school for 2001 > > for IT, the network is novell 4, microsoft has it and the education > > department screw with software. > > > > All they are interested is PC's as hardware as with all schools (thats > > public) there is no resources available. I do believe a proxy server > > would suit their needs but I need to education their casual IT (two days > > a week) person. I think it may be an up hill battle. > > > > I feel that Andrew has some very good ideas about proxy servers. > > > > Anyway I've attached a email from Crowns Street Primary to ComputerBank. > > > > Regards > > > > Craig Warner > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Computers for Crown St > > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:45:54 +1100 > > From: Virtual Teacher > > To: craigw@blue.net.au > > CC: d3935pn1@ozemail.com.au > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > It was good to speak with you last night. here are the web addresses > > as promised. > > > > Virtual Teacher - this is a site I run which contains a lot of > > resources for Primary school teachers and has a subscriber base of > > approx 2,000 teachers. there is a newsletter run from this site which > > is available fortnightly. > > http://www.virtualteacher.com.au > > Crown St - this site has been developed as a resource only over the > > last few terms for use by Crown St pupils and staff. In 2001 I would > > like to develop the site further, as part of the students program, so > > that it becomes a resource for the wider community. > > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~d3935pn1/ > > > > As discussed last evening I would like to develop a media publication > > centre at the school over the next twelve months, involving > > particularly senior school students at Crown St. > > Could you please send me further details of the computer, operating > > system and programs that we discussed so that I can incorporate this > > into the document. > > > > thanks > > > > Cathy > > > > An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs > > against it. > > - Bill Bernbach > > > > I'd like to see a little magic rubbing off at Crown St in 2001 > > > > cc: Jon Robb, Valerie Martin > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > -- > Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer > Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 > 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 5 22:56:07 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:55:51 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:3423 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:55:39 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15243; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 21:56:16 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eB5BCns04919; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:12:50 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24709; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 22:54:03 +1100 Message-ID: <3A2CD6B1.978DA0D1@blue.net.au> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 22:51:13 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Dorrell CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, frankz@mpx.com.au Subject: Re: [Fwd: Computers for Crown St] References: <3A2C7C03.EA05502C@blue.net.au> <3A2C81ED.38695A6@research.canon.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Thats a good idea and would support it regardless. I would like Crown Street to have a token couple, just in case some of my 'future' kids go there. As it is one of my local schools, I would hate if some of the parents got wind of what happened. Craig Andrew Dorrell wrote: > > CBers, > > You may be interested to know... along the lines of the TAFE site... > Nepean high school has expressed interest in setting up a linux lab. > The IT person there is a bit cluey and is interested in experimenting > with thin clients and networking classes as well as using star office > etc. > > Any assistance, technical and / or hardware would actually be > appreciated here... I know its a bit out west... but hey - they need > help out there. > > Contact Frank van Zanten > > (I have no kids at this school (not likely to either BTW) but have > helped set up a proxy for them in the past and will be doing domain > email in the near future.) > > Craig Warner wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > John, David and myself went to BP out at Rose Hill to pick up some PC's. > > Thanks to BP we have added a few notebooks, monitors and a PC to the > > ComputerBank supply. > > > > I went today and visited Crown Street Public school and their IT sucks > > big time. Once again there is no money available for the school for 2001 > > for IT, the network is novell 4, microsoft has it and the education > > department screw with software. > > > > All they are interested is PC's as hardware as with all schools (thats > > public) there is no resources available. I do believe a proxy server > > would suit their needs but I need to education their casual IT (two days > > a week) person. I think it may be an up hill battle. > > > > I feel that Andrew has some very good ideas about proxy servers. > > > > Anyway I've attached a email from Crowns Street Primary to ComputerBank. > > > > Regards > > > > Craig Warner > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Computers for Crown St > > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 08:45:54 +1100 > > From: Virtual Teacher > > To: craigw@blue.net.au > > CC: d3935pn1@ozemail.com.au > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > It was good to speak with you last night. here are the web addresses > > as promised. > > > > Virtual Teacher - this is a site I run which contains a lot of > > resources for Primary school teachers and has a subscriber base of > > approx 2,000 teachers. there is a newsletter run from this site which > > is available fortnightly. > > http://www.virtualteacher.com.au > > Crown St - this site has been developed as a resource only over the > > last few terms for use by Crown St pupils and staff. In 2001 I would > > like to develop the site further, as part of the students program, so > > that it becomes a resource for the wider community. > > http://www.ozemail.com.au/~d3935pn1/ > > > > As discussed last evening I would like to develop a media publication > > centre at the school over the next twelve months, involving > > particularly senior school students at Crown St. > > Could you please send me further details of the computer, operating > > system and programs that we discussed so that I can incorporate this > > into the document. > > > > thanks > > > > Cathy > > > > An idea can turn to dust or magic, depending on the talent that rubs > > against it. > > - Bill Bernbach > > > > I'd like to see a little magic rubbing off at Crown St in 2001 > > > > cc: Jon Robb, Valerie Martin > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > -- > Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer > Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 > 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 6 12:36:47 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:36:30 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:63286 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:36:19 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3772E106D4 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:36:05 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:35:48 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Subject: dell notebooks Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:35:47 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C05F24.DBF8C930" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05F24.DBF8C930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi folks, The BIOS passwords are available, from Dell but here are the conditions: 1. We need a letter from BP showing a list of the models and serial numbers of the machines donated to ComputerBank and that the ownership has been transferred. 2. Then submit this list to Dell, who then generate the override password. Easy, NOT. Fun isn't it. Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited ------_=_NextPart_001_01C05F24.DBF8C930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi folks,
 
The BIOS passwords are available, from Dell but here are the conditions:
 
1. We need a letter from BP showing a list of the models and serial numbers of the machines donated to ComputerBank and that the ownership has been transferred.
 
2. Then submit this list to Dell, who then generate the override password.
 
Easy, NOT.
 
Fun isn't it.
 

Regards
Craig Warner
Field Services Technical Support Officer
Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C05F24.DBF8C930-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 6 16:01:50 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:01:42 +1100 Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au ([192.189.54.17]:48833 "HELO yarrina.connect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:01:17 +1100 Received: from GBASYDSVISD.yarrina.gilbarco.com.au (unknown [210.9.72.242]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DB610AB8 for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:00:49 +1100 (EST) Received: by GBASYDSVISD with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:00:34 +1100 Message-ID: From: "Warner, Craig" To: "'cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au'" Cc: "Curry, John" Subject: StarOffice goes to school Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:00:32 +1100 Sensitivity: Company-Confidential MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox An article from www.linuxworld.com StarOffice goes to school The program offers Microsoft-free file compatibility Summary Universities around the world are using the newly open sourced StarOffice as an alternative to Microsoft-based file compatibility. Paired with Linux, universities can also use StarOffice to resurrect old systems that lack the power to handle other uses. This article explores the facets of open software in educational settings, and asks what Sun hopes to gain by targeting universities for StarOffice distribution. (1,600 words) By Steven Gould and Shari Jones Sun's decision in October to open StarOffice 6.0's source code represents one of the most significant recent announcements in the open source arena. The impact of opening a major office suite's source code remains to be seen as individuals, companies, and educational institutions explore ways to enhance and customize the software. Sun targeted the higher education market with the move, which is proving to be mutually beneficial to Sun and its StarOffice end users as the worldwide academic community embraces the software. Sun's liberal source licensing in numerous ways opens the doors of opportunity for universities and their students, says Phil Parkman, Sun's director of operations for Webtop and applications software, including StarOffice. This article explores the benefits open source software brings to students, in particular future computer scientists and engineers. It also describes how StarOffice, running on Linux and Sun Solaris, is being used in educational settings. Schools and students reap the benefits While their daily tasks require a Unix-based system, engineers in computer science, management information systems (MIS), engineering, and other technical departments still must communicate with others in universities, which often use Microsoft Office products. Technical students often use different Unix flavors and need a compatible office suite to work on class projects. As a result, engineers, faculty, and students require an office suite that allows them to access documents from any platform. That traditionally required a separate PC taking up space on a desk alongside a Unix workstation. According to Sonja Thieme, who is part of Sun's sales development education team, engineering and MIS departments now can "get rid of their PCs" and use their Unix workstations running StarOffice to communicate with Microsoft-based users. StarOffice use is not isolated to universities -- through the America's Promise Program, some school districts are implementing the software running on Linux. The national program is chaired by retired General Colin Powell and supported by Oracle founder and CEO Larry Ellison, who also heads his company's program. The Promise programs dovetail and focus on providing computers for schools in low-income neighborhoods. The program presented 1,100 new Linux-based Internet computers to the Dallas Independent School District (DISD) this May (see Resources for a link to a LinuxWorld.com article on that topic). In the first pilot program, 50 computers were installed at DISD's Booker T. Washington High School, a magnet school for the visual and performing arts, and the remaining computers were distributed across DISD. Although the school district uses Microsoft-based PCs in its current environment, the new Oracle computers run Linux and StarOffice, to which the district is considering a migration. What's in it for Sun? The concept of open source licensing for universities is nothing new to Sun, according to Parkman, who says Sun promoted the idea "long before open source was a buzzword." Parkman said that Sun intends its liberal source licensing for universities to further the education process. Accepting enhancements from open source developers at universities could improve the quality and stability of the software. That benefits Sun by making its software stronger and "adding to what's available to [Sun]." Students can now view the source code, Parkaman says, and "brilliant minds all over the world" can build upon and enhance it. Case in point, San Jose State University At univeristy engineering and MIS departments, engineers typically run some flavor of Unix. And the Unix of choice is now often Linux, not just because it is free but because some engineers are sold on its quality as well as on its open nature. At San Jose State University, price (or lack thereof) was key to choosing Linux, says Kindness Israel, director of engineering computing systems. His department is responsible for developing applications used internally by students and faculty, such as timesheet and course verification programs. As in many universities, his development environment is Unix-based, and he develops Web-based Oracle database applications on Linux. StarOffice's primary role is to enable engineers to communicate with other university departments that use Microsoft products. Israel fully supports and encourages open source and considers Sun's decision to open StarOffice's source code an "important step." He also fully supports the use of Linux in a development environment and says the faculty at San Jose State University is slowly adopting Linux as an open tool. In addition to implementing StarOffice in the engineering department, Israel is also in charge of setting up open teaching labs in which computers and word processing packages are used to teach communications skills to engineering students. Students are required to take those writing lab classes. Any word processing package would suffice in the writing lab, and Israel said in the next year he would like to see an open teaching lab running StarOffice on Linux. Why? The university has numerous older-model, low-end Sun and HP computers that can easily run Linux and StarOffice. They can easily handle compatible word processing software such as StarOffice but, due to their limited resources, the machines would be useless for development or if Microsoft Office were the only option. Michigan Technological University For Michigan Technological University students, StarOffice is now an integral part of the university's academic program. Michigan Technological University this fall has implemented new standards requiring its freshmen engineering students to take common courses using StarOffice (running on Sun Solaris). The software is available on campus and available to students off campus via remote access. By standardizing with StarOffice, students and teachers in any department can access any document, says Chris Williams, manager and senior systems administrator for Michigan Tech's department of mechanical engineering-engineering mechanics, biomedical engineering. Students may be assigned projects that span multiple disciplines and will need to use a compatible office suite. For example, students in computer science and electrical engineering may work on a joint project and need to share specific project information such as design documents or project specifications. A standard office suite that allows the import and export of multiple software packages eliminates compatibility issues. In the upper-level classes, students traditionally encountered compatibility issues, since a standard office suite was not required prior to the fall semester. They have used multiple office suites and, while they are not required to convert to StarOffice, requiring current and future freshmen to use StarOffice as a standard eliminates future incompatibility issues. Open StarOffice source code means Michigan Tech can now customize menus for each department that uses the software, Williams said. It also allows her department to adjust the look and feel of the desktop for each department and individual users. In the future, Williams said she hopes StarOffice will become an "all encompassing tool," standardizing the university's Web browser, email system, spreadsheet package, and other desktop software. Other Michigan Tech departments also use StarOffice as a standard, though on different operating systems, including Linux and Sun Solaris. Getting it out there Sun stresses that while StarOffice is a freely licensed product for personal use, it does not grant redistribution rights. Sun has created the StarOffice NOW program (see Resources for a link) in which organizations such as universities sign up as redistributors. The program allows such organizations to bundle software packages and distribute them internally. For example, a university can bundle StarOffice with Linux and Norton Antivirus, and make the package available via CD or download from an internal server. Parkman says that the StarOffice NOW program allows Sun to compete aggressively in the personal productivity space. Currently, Sun has 111 fully licensed redistributors through the StarOffice NOW program. In a recent Sun press release, Mike Jones, IT director at Moreland School District in San Jose, Calif., said, "The StarOffice NOW program offers our students and faculty the opportunity to use the robust StarOffice productivity suite. Our district is comprised of K-8 public schools in which students working on different platforms need to have a productivity suite that runs on almost all of them." What's next? Universities around the world currently use StarOffice. The next goal, Parkman says, is to make StarOffice available in double-byte Asian languages. It currently is available in 11 Western languages, including Danish, Dutch, English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, and Swedish. The academic community is attracted to the freely available StarOffice source code because members can customize it to better meet the needs of faculty, staff, and students. Sun's distribution plan for bundling StarOffice with other software, Parkman says, was designed to make it as easy as possible for universities to widely distribute and implement the software. As such, it serves as a learning tool for students who use StarOffice in required projects and enhances communications between departments that previously were hampered by incompatible systems. StarOffice, along with Linux and Solaris, also provides a way for universities to use out-of-date equipment that otherwise would remain useless. Regards Craig Warner Field Services Technical Support Officer Marconi Commerce Systems Australia Limited cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 7 16:14:24 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:14:08 +1100 Received: from web2901.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.44]:3204 "HELO web2901.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 16:13:46 +1100 Received: (qmail 23580 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Dec 2000 05:13:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20001207051326.23579.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2901.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 21:13:26 PST Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:13:26 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: CBNSW - Customers To: Computerbank List , CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All I spoke today to the IT person at Cellblock, which is a youth health centre (and drop in centre?) for 'at risk' young people. After they'd gotton over their initial suprise that someone was ringing out of the blue to give them computers, they warmed to the idea and will be sending me a proposal next week. Apparently thay have a "multimedia" room with one old mac in it and would be quite keen to replace it with some compuers where they can do graphics manuipulation and have internet access. This is potentially a good exercise for us to put in a small network and internet proxy and have sokmething good to boast about. Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 8 13:24:21 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:24:14 +1100 Received: from web2905.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.48]:2515 "HELO web2905.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:23:51 +1100 Received: (qmail 13602 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2000 02:23:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001208022338.13601.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2905.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 18:23:38 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 18:23:38 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: VOLUNTEERS - Testing and Moving Day To: CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All The stuff we got from BP this week is now at Craig's house, and will be moved to David's house after testing (more storage space available). David, Craig and I could use some help to test what we have. Any volunteers welcome. We will be kicking off proceedings at 8.00am at 25 Tudor Street Surrey Hills Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 8 15:17:14 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:16:56 +1100 Received: from sdcax54-225.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.208.225]:1721 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:16:36 +1100 Received: (qmail 31974 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2000 04:16:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 8 Dec 2000 04:16:30 -0000 From: "Mark" To: "Computerbank NSW" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:07:36 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: VOLUNTEERS - Testing and Moving Day CC: "John Coote" In-reply-to: <20001208022338.13601.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20001208041648Z156965-997+1998@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On 7Dc2k, John Coote wrote: VOLUNTEERS - Testing and Moving Day > David, Craig and I could use some help to test what we > have. Any volunteers welcome. > > We will be kicking off proceedings at > 8.00am at 25 Tudor Street Surrey Hills I would be happy to help out, unfortunately you do not give a date in your message. I am busy today but will be available over the weekend if you need me. In a similar vein, is there a computer bank meeting coming up? It is just that I have seen no confirmation of whether there is a meeting on the 12th of December. Regards Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 8 17:02:17 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:02:00 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2313 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:01:52 +1100 Received: (qmail 5074 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Dec 2000 06:01:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20001208060145.5073.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 22:01:45 PST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:01:45 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: VOLUNTEERS - Testing and Moving Day To: Mark , Computerbank NSW Cc: John Coote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Tomorrow is the 9th, thats when we'll be testing and moving stuff. > > In a similar vein, is there a computer bank meeting > coming up? > It is just that I have seen no confirmation of > whether there is a > meeting on the 12th of December. > Meeting / Drinks on tuesday 12th December. Confirmed. John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Dec 11 21:11:33 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:11:15 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:4736 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:11:01 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10662; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:12:51 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBB9Thg31734; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:29:48 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16417; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:10:04 +1100 Message-ID: <3A34A747.AB9DFD71@blue.net.au> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:07:03 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@slug.org.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Little knowledge required about Dell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Very general question, does any one have experience setting up Dell notebooks, docking stations and external monitors. ComputerBank has been donated some of these units and I having a bit of fun getting the external monitor to work. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 12 22:12:36 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:19 +1100 Received: from int-mail.syd.fl.net.au ([202.181.0.28]:2783 "HELO int-mail.syd.fl.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:11 +1100 Received: from slave.localnet (predator.fl.net.au [203.30.61.4]) by int-mail.syd.fl.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B5B168F4; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:08 +1100 (EST) Received: from xena ([192.168.1.1]) by slave.localnet (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with SMTP id eBCB9Rk08876; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:09:29 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: slave.localnet: Host [192.168.1.1] claimed to be xena From: Jon Biddell Reply-To: jon@fl.net.au To: Craig Warner , slug@slug.org.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Little knowledge required about Dell Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:06:33 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3A34A747.AB9DFD71@blue.net.au> In-Reply-To: <3A34A747.AB9DFD71@blue.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00121223074800.00884@xena> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Craig Warner wrote: > Very general question, does any one have experience setting up Dell > notebooks, docking stations and external monitors. ComputerBank has been > donated some of these units and I having a bit of fun getting the > external monitor to work. >From my (admittedly hazy) memory, the external monitor is activated by a function key combination, and you can set the bios up to have LCD, External or both. Specifically, what problems are you having ? -- Regards, Jon ------------------------------------------------------------------ "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" ....John Wiltshire - SLUG cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Dec 12 22:40:18 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:40:11 +1100 Received: from [203.63.129.149] ([203.63.129.149]:2139 "EHLO ns2.maxwell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:39:57 +1100 Received: from ns1.knet.net.au (ns2-dialup0.maxwell.com.au [203.4.153.100]) by ns2.maxwell.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13447; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:40:41 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBCAuXg06449; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:56:41 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04319; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:37:02 +1100 Message-ID: <3A360D1C.F3F66E9A@blue.net.au> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:33:48 +1100 From: Craig Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jon@fl.net.au CC: slug@slug.org.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Little knowledge required about Dell References: <3A34A747.AB9DFD71@blue.net.au> <00121223074800.00884@xena> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Jon Biddell wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Craig Warner wrote: > > Very general question, does any one have experience setting up Dell > > notebooks, docking stations and external monitors. ComputerBank has been > > donated some of these units and I having a bit of fun getting the > > external monitor to work. > > >From my (admittedly hazy) memory, the external monitor is activated > by a function key combination, and you can set the bios up to have > LCD, External or both. > > Specifically, what problems are you having ? > > -- Regards, > > Jon > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > "It is irresponsible to connect a Windows machine to the Internet" > ....John Wiltshire - SLUG > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list Jon, I've reset the bios to an active screen so that there is no need for a . So when the Dell is dock it should boot and display to the external monitor. It does the normal boot display to the external monitor but when it goes to the login display the Dell goes back to the LCD screen. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 13 09:15:38 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:15:20 +1100 Received: from web2904.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.47]:3246 "HELO web2904.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:15:04 +1100 Received: (qmail 26305 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2000 22:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20001212221457.26304.qmail@web2904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2904.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:14:57 PST Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: next steps To: CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All Thanks to all those who came down to the Crystal Palace Hotel last night, and to thiose who couldn't make it, you kissed out on a godd drink and chat session. Although it wasn't a formal meeting with minutes etc we did resolve to each contact a "worthy recipient" organization and invite a submission for us to give them some computers. Some starting points could be Groups that look after refugees Aboriginal Groups Groups that deal with homeles people May I suggest that when we approach an organization that we post some details to this list to prevent two or three of us contacting the same group. Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 13 20:20:25 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:19:58 +1100 Received: from int-mail.syd.fl.net.au ([202.181.0.28]:2311 "HELO int-mail.syd.fl.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:19:00 +1100 Received: from slave.localnet (predator.fl.net.au [203.30.61.4]) by int-mail.syd.fl.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79F316817; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:18:49 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (jon@localhost) by slave.localnet (8.10.2/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id eBD9LbL11782; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:21:41 +1100 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:21:37 +1100 (EST) From: Jon Biddell To: Craig Warner Cc: jon@fl.net.au, slug@slug.org.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Little knowledge required about Dell In-Reply-To: <3A360D1C.F3F66E9A@blue.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Craig, I spoke to DELL today and they said that the Lattitude XPi is one of the few notebooks that they do NOT have Linux video drivers for. Having said that, I believe it can be done, but it may take a little work. BTW, your new machine and monitor arrived today - PIII/750 with 20Gb H/D and a 19" monitor (bastard !!) - also a CD Burner, 1Gb JAZ and 250Mb ZIP to go on the second machine. Couple of interesting items coming up - we have the repatching to do in Bridge St (Jan 13 it looks like), plus we have to schedule the replacement of 5 hubs in Margaret St with Cisco Switches (arrived today - not even going to think about this until the end of Jan !!). I'll be in a meeting with Dereck on Friday, primarily to discuss what changes Bruce's resignation will have on both of us - you have a shitload of work to do (!!!), but I'm probably going to pick up quite a bit of his as well. If I get a chance over the weekend, I'll email you a list of all the upcoming events we have to schedule work for...:-) I told you that you wouldn't be bored !!! Jon cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 14 00:38:50 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:38:33 +1100 Received: from emux1.projectx.com.au ([203.21.104.38]:4923 "HELO emux1.projectx.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:38:23 +1100 Received: from projectx.com.au (ts0-014.projectx.com.au [203.21.104.143]) by emux1.projectx.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD64322EEA7; Thu, 14 Dec 2000 00:38:03 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A37E0F1.92D2A1A9@projectx.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:49:53 +0000 From: Kylie Davies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Computerbank List , CB NSW Subject: Re: CBNSW - Customers References: <20001207051326.23579.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John Coote wrote: > > Dear All > I spoke today to the IT person at Cellblock, which is > a youth health centre (and drop in centre?) for 'at > risk' young people. > After they'd gotton over their initial suprise that > someone was ringing out of the blue to give them > computers, they warmed to the idea and will be sending > me a proposal next week. > Apparently thay have a "multimedia" room with one old > mac in it and would be quite keen to replace it with > some compuers where they can do graphics manuipulation > and have internet access. > This is potentially a good exercise for us to put in a > small network and internet proxy and have sokmething > good to boast about. This sounds great John. We've done the same sort of thing for a community group here in Vic. It'll be a great project for you. Important points - Make sure to find out about insuring yourselves. One way around this (without having to purchase it yourselves) is to act as volunteers for the Youth Health Centre. Check with them to find out if this is possible. We did this with the FCCVI in vic - as we didnt have cover then. We do now. :) Be clear about what you will provide - in the case of CBV operations, as indicated in our policy manual - we require all community group applicants to nominate the main liaison - training co-ordinating person (s) on the app form. This means that the person(s) nominated will receive training (and training material/resources) from cbv and it then becomes their responsibility to train people accessing the centre. Of course CBV still provides ongoing support to the community group for technical problems (for our systems and generally not for any additional systems that the organisation may have or may receive). Cheers, Kylie cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Dec 17 19:45:38 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:45:20 +1100 Received: from web2905.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.48]:2651 "HELO web2905.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:45:06 +1100 Received: (qmail 5647 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Dec 2000 08:44:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20001217084452.5646.qmail@web2905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.76.17.27] by web2905.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:44:52 PST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Computerbank NSW - Informal Meeting / Drinks on Tuesday 12th To: Albert Teoh Cc: CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Albert The best wau to know whats going on is vai the list, join up at http://lists.linux.org.au cb-nsw What we are immediatley looking for is places to donate a stock of some 20 computers. They range from 486 (maybe just for parts) to pentium 300 (?) we are looking for good ideas for home for these, if you can find an organization that would make a good home for them, get in touch and get a writen proposal from them. Orangizations only though, we think individuals are probably too hard. Thats where we are right now. Cheers John Coote --- Albert Teoh wrote: > Hi John, > I was unable to attend the meeting in the city for > I was away. I was > wondering if you'd be able to let me know on the > major details on what is > happening in the coming weeks. I am still > enthusiastic about contributing my > services to this organisation. Thanks for your time. > > Albert > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 20 06:34:10 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:34:03 +1100 Received: from [216.136.130.41] ([216.136.130.41]:2694 "HELO web10005.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:33:42 +1100 Message-ID: <20001219193323.98294.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.109.202.195] by web10005.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:33:23 PST Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:33:23 -0800 (PST) From: surfless Subject: Fwd: Sat 16 2000 surry Hills market To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: sahebekhtiari@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, Another likely client that is showing interest. Regards Craig Warner --- Baharak Sahebekhtiari wrote: > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:53:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Baharak Sahebekhtiari > > Subject: Sat 16 2000 surry Hills market > To: craigw@blue.net.au > > Dear Craig > we spoke on Sat and you gave me an address to look > up > the web site for computer bank. However i am not > being > succewssful. I wonder if i have the wrong address? > Anyhow the NEighbourhood Centre could really use the > a > couple of terminals to do short courses, allow our > before school care and Vacation care kids to use > them > and so on. Please conatct me on 9380 5555 or fax > 9332 > 3665. or you could email me on this address which is > smy personal email. > > many thanks > > Baharak Saheb > Co-ordinator > SHNC > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 22 07:38:16 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:38:08 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2282 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:37:48 +1100 Received: (qmail 25873 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2000 20:37:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20001221203731.25872.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:37:31 PST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Sun hardware To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: dmarg@ecr.mu.oz.au, Peter Eckersley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All Is there anyone in Sydney that reckons they can handle this non intel stuff?? If anyone out there thinks we can do something with it, shout out and we'll organize to bring it up to Sydney. Cheers John Coote --- Peter Eckersley wrote: > Hi John... > > the following equipment is available in Canberra, > and it might be possible > to get it shipped over to Sydney if it's of use to > you. > > If it's going to be too much trouble for CB NSW to > handle it, we might be > able to bring it down to Victoria. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:40:59 +1100 (EDT) > From: Daniel MARGULIUS > To: pde@cs.mu.OZ.AU > Subject: The list > > OK Pete, here is what the organisation has to give > away: > > 2 Sparc 10s > 1 Sparc IDL > 1 Sparc LX > 1 Sparc 2 > 1 Sparc H (?) > 1 Sparc Classic > 1 Sparc IPX > > All have hard disks that are either 1Gb or 5Gb in > size. > > What can you take? > > > daniel > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 22 07:40:17 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:40:11 +1100 Received: from web2901.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.44]:2291 "HELO web2901.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:39:48 +1100 Received: (qmail 25519 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2000 20:39:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20001221203938.25518.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2901.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:39:38 PST Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:39:38 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Sun hardware To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: dmarg@ecr.mu.oz.au, pde@cs.mu.OZ.AU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All Can any one out there handle this non intel stuff?? If so, shout out and we'll organize to get it up here, if not I'm sure the Mexicans can use it. Cheers John --- Peter Eckersley wrote: > Hi John... > > the following equipment is available in Canberra, > and it might be possible > to get it shipped over to Sydney if it's of use to > you. > > If it's going to be too much trouble for CB NSW to > handle it, we might be > able to bring it down to Victoria. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:40:59 +1100 (EDT) > From: Daniel MARGULIUS > To: pde@cs.mu.OZ.AU > Subject: The list > > OK Pete, here is what the organisation has to give > away: > > 2 Sparc 10s > 1 Sparc IDL > 1 Sparc LX > 1 Sparc 2 > 1 Sparc H (?) > 1 Sparc Classic > 1 Sparc IPX > > All have hard disks that are either 1Gb or 5Gb in > size. > > What can you take? > > > daniel > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 22 18:21:00 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:20:44 +1100 Received: from sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au ([24.192.3.29]:52823 "EHLO sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:20:23 +1100 Received: from thalamus (CPE-144-132-152-45.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.152.45]) by sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27689 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:20:16 +1100 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01c06bf0$f2ce18d0$2d988490@thalamus> Reply-To: "Raul" From: "Raul" To: References: <20001221203938.25518.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Sun hardware Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 18:05:09 +1000 Organization: None MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I'd love to say I'd have them but not totally sure of our use. Solaris 8 is freeware I thought now but can't remember how that would go with a Sparc 10. Sounds like a nice cache of hardware though! :) If they were in Sydney I'd say to grab them, seeing they need to be shipped, then I am not so sure. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Coote" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Sun hardware > Dear All > Can any one out there handle this non intel stuff?? If > so, shout out and we'll organize to get it up here, if > not I'm sure the Mexicans can use it. > > Cheers > John > > > --- Peter Eckersley wrote: > Hi > John... > > > > the following equipment is available in Canberra, > > and it might be possible > > to get it shipped over to Sydney if it's of use to > > you. > > > > If it's going to be too much trouble for CB NSW to > > handle it, we might be > > able to bring it down to Victoria. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:40:59 +1100 (EDT) > > From: Daniel MARGULIUS > > To: pde@cs.mu.OZ.AU > > Subject: The list > > > > OK Pete, here is what the organisation has to give > > away: > > > > 2 Sparc 10s > > 1 Sparc IDL > > 1 Sparc LX > > 1 Sparc 2 > > 1 Sparc H (?) > > 1 Sparc Classic > > 1 Sparc IPX > > > > All have hard disks that are either 1Gb or 5Gb in > > size. > > > > What can you take? > > > > > > daniel > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Dec 23 01:09:23 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:09:06 +1100 Received: from sdcax56-051.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.217.51]:1729 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:08:50 +1100 Received: (qmail 8420 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 14:08:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 14:08:44 -0000 From: "Mark" To: "Sydney Linux Users Group" , "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:38:26 +1100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sun hardware CC: "John Coote" , "Peter Eckersley" , dmarg@ecr.mu.oz.au In-reply-to: <20001221203731.25872.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20001222140857Z157412-997+2891@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG can find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. Mark On 21Dc2k John Coote wrote: Re: Sun hardware Date sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 12:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Coote Subject: Re: Sun hardware To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > > Is there anyone in Sydney that reckons they can handle > this non intel stuff?? > If anyone out there thinks we can do something with > it, shout out and we'll organize to bring it up to > Sydney. > > John Coote > --- Peter Eckersley wrote: > > Hi John... > > > > the following equipment is available in Canberra, > > and it might be possible > > to get it shipped over to Sydney if it's of use to > > you. > > > > If it's going to be too much trouble for CB NSW to > > handle it, we might be > > able to bring it down to Victoria. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:40:59 +1100 (EDT) > > From: Daniel MARGULIUS > > To: pde@cs.mu.OZ.AU > > Subject: The list > > > > OK Pete, here is what the organisation has to give > > away: > > > > 2 Sparc 10s > > 1 Sparc IDL > > 1 Sparc LX > > 1 Sparc 2 > > 1 Sparc H (?) > > 1 Sparc Classic > > 1 Sparc IPX > > > > All have hard disks that are either 1Gb or 5Gb in > > size. > > > > What can you take? > > > > > > daniel cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Dec 23 01:22:36 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:22:20 +1100 Received: from CPE-144-132-56-120.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.56.120]:1079 "EHLO doorknob") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:22:02 +1100 Received: from ignuthuam ([192.168.1.99]) by doorknob with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 149T4z-0000qL-00; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:21:53 +1100 Received: from pde by ignuthuam with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 149T2E-0004Pl-00; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:19:02 +1100 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:19:02 +1100 From: Peter Eckersley To: Mark Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , Peter Eckersley , dmarg@ecr.mu.oz.au Subject: Re: Sun hardware Message-ID: <20001223011902.A16688@ignuthuam> References: <20001221203731.25872.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> <200012221408.BAA07075@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012221408.BAA07075@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU>; from incarest@uk2.net on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:38:26AM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:38:26AM +1100, Mark wrote: > Hello Everyone, >=20 > This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering=20 > whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a=20 > good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG=20 > can find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. >=20 Just before this is broadcast to half the planet (:-), I should say that a handwriting recognition error somewhere on the chain of communication transformed '1+' into 'H' and '0.5Gb' into '5Gb'... CCs off-list to us Melbournians... > > >=20 > > > 2 Sparc 10s > > > 1 Sparc IDL > > > 1 Sparc LX > > > 1 Sparc 2 > > > 1 Sparc H (?) > > > 1 Sparc Classic > > > 1 Sparc IPX > > >=20 > > > All have hard disks that are either 1Gb or 5Gb in > > > size. > > >=20 --=20 |> |=3D -+- |=3D |> | |- | |- |\ Peter Eckersley (pde@cs.mu.oz.au) http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~pde =09 for techno-leftie inspiration, take a look at http://www.computerbank.org.au/ --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjpDYtYACgkQnTFKmnV0ZbwBlgCeLg8a39d1yKHumUTevujVcAN7 DqoAnA9F+MWgK7e4K15Nol8wt7H+YPN/ =986Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Dec 23 01:47:34 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:47:26 +1100 Received: from sdcax56-051.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.217.51]:1735 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:47:14 +1100 Received: (qmail 8436 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 14:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 14:47:11 -0000 From: "Mark" To: "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 01:41:21 +1100 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sun hardware CC: "John Coote" References: <20001221203731.25872.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> In-reply-to: <20001222140857Z157412-997+2891@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20001222144715Z157412-997+2892@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On 23Dc2k Mark wrote: Re: Sun hardware From: "Mark" To: "Sydney Linux Users Group" , "ComputerBank-NSW" Date sent: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:38:26 +1100 Subject: Re: Sun hardware Copies to: "John Coote" , "Peter Eckersley" , dmarg@ecr.mu.oz.au > Hello Everyone, > > This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering > whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a > good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG can > find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. Another thought. Considering the interest by SLUG members to break out of the wintel/intel monopoly (vis the UNSW Multia drive). It might be possible to raise the seed capital, interest and the technical expertise necessary for ComputerBank-NSW by exchanging these SUN "technocrat" workstations (geek toys) for a donation of time/money from individual SLUG members. This would as per the discussion at the last ComputerBank meeting, but as these computers are of questionable use the the general public there are strings and obligations to overcome. Just a thought Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Dec 23 02:09:28 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:09:11 +1100 Received: from caracalla-asy-14.nepean.uws.edu.au ([137.154.196.236]:34084 "EHLO isis.virago.org.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:08:54 +1100 Received: from localhost (rachel@localhost) by isis.virago.org.au (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29870; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:07:29 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: isis.virago.org.au: rachel owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:07:29 +1100 (EST) From: Rachel Polanskis X-Sender: rachel@isis.virago.org.au Reply-To: r.polanskis@nepean.uws.edu.au To: Peter Eckersley cc: Mark , Sydney Linux Users Group , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , dmarg@ecr.mu.oz.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Sun hardware In-Reply-To: <20001223011902.A16688@ignuthuam> Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/ X-No-Archive: Yes X-Accepted-File-Formats: .ps .rtf .pdf .dvi ASCII - *NO* MS products please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Peter Eckersley wrote: > On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:38:26AM +1100, Mark wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering > > whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a > > good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG > > can find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. > > > > Just before this is broadcast to half the planet (:-), I should say > that a handwriting recognition error somewhere on the chain of > communication transformed '1+' into 'H' and '0.5Gb' into '5Gb'... > > CCs off-list to us Melbournians... > > > > > > > > > 2 Sparc 10s > > > > 1 Sparc IDL > > > > 1 Sparc LX > > > > 1 Sparc 2 > > > > 1 Sparc H (?) > > > > 1 Sparc Classic > > > > 1 Sparc IPX All of these will run Linux quite well, and reliably. You want a fairly recent version of SparcLinux as the older Sun4c boxes don't work very well with early releases of Linux. Also the SPARC 10 and LX have DBRI ISDN on board which I don't think will work with Linux yet, though I could be mistaken. The LX and Classic will make excellent X terminals.... Not sure what a SPARC IDL is, though.... rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove@zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "People don't say sorry in this country" - Max Connors (Seachange) cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 27 14:33:13 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:33:06 +1100 Received: from CPE-144-132-56-120.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.56.120]:1176 "EHLO doorknob") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:32:44 +1100 Received: from ignuthuam ([192.168.1.99]) by doorknob with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14B7KG-0003Oh-00; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:32:28 +1100 Received: from pde by ignuthuam with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14B7KE-00043I-00; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:32:26 +1100 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:32:25 +1100 From: Peter Eckersley To: Rachel Polanskis Cc: Peter Eckersley , Mark , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , dmarg66@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Sun hardware Message-ID: <20001227143224.A11175@ignuthuam> References: <20001223011902.A16688@ignuthuam> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from r.polanskis@nepean.uws.edu.au on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:07:29AM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:07:29AM +1100, Rachel Polanskis wrote: > On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Peter Eckersley wrote: >=20 > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:38:26AM +1100, Mark wrote: > >=20 > > > Hello Everyone, > > >=20 > > > This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering= =20 > > > whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a=20 > > > good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG=20 > > > can find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. > > >=20 > >=20 > > Just before this is broadcast to half the planet (:-), I should say > > that a handwriting recognition error somewhere on the chain of > > communication transformed '1+' into 'H' and '0.5Gb' into '5Gb'... > >=20 > > CCs off-list to us Melbournians... > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > 2 Sparc 10s > > > > > 1 Sparc IDL > > > > > 1 Sparc LX > > > > > 1 Sparc 2 > > > > > 1 Sparc H (?) > > > > > 1 Sparc Classic > > > > > 1 Sparc IPX >=20 > All of these will run Linux quite well, and reliably.=20 > You want a fairly recent version of SparcLinux as the older=20 > Sun4c boxes don't work very well with early releases of Linux.=20 >=20 > Also the SPARC 10 and LX have DBRI ISDN on board > which I don't think will work with Linux yet, though I could=20 > be mistaken. The LX and Classic will make excellent=20 > X terminals.... >=20 > Not sure what a SPARC IDL is, though.... >=20 Is this a "yes"? If so, who should I contact to attempt organising a=20 shipment from Canberra? --=20 |> |=3D -+- |=3D |> | |- | |- |\ Peter Eckersley (pde@cs.mu.oz.au) http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~pde =09 for techno-leftie inspiration, take a look at http://www.computerbank.org.au/ --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjpJYsgACgkQnTFKmnV0ZbwEhgCfShaTMAJpqWYgGeyRTqvRtbHn mKoAnRMeOyhmNAy0+VdKE+Sgo4stX7rT =FQss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 27 14:41:59 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:41:52 +1100 Received: from caracalla-asy-14.nepean.uws.edu.au ([137.154.196.236]:34409 "EHLO isis.virago.org.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:41:38 +1100 Received: from localhost (rachel@localhost) by isis.virago.org.au (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10673; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:40:41 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: isis.virago.org.au: rachel owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:40:41 +1100 (EST) From: Rachel Polanskis X-Sender: rachel@isis.virago.org.au Reply-To: r.polanskis@nepean.uws.edu.au To: Peter Eckersley cc: Mark , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , dmarg66@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Sun hardware In-Reply-To: <20001227143224.A11175@ignuthuam> Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/ X-No-Archive: Yes X-Accepted-File-Formats: .ps .rtf .pdf .dvi ASCII - *NO* MS products please MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Peter Eckersley wrote: > Is this a "yes"? If so, who should I contact to attempt organising a > shipment from Canberra? Well, personally, I don't want them as I have a house full of Sun gear already, but my comment was merely that the Classic, the SPARC 10 and the LX are all very decent computers that should be given an opportunity to continue their working life. I would recommend them to computerbank or some other organisation requiring donations. The other computers such as the IPX and so on are probably less useful except as diehard hobby machines. The SPARC10 especially might be useful to a non-profit ISP or similar as it is a SMP (multiprocessor) capable system and would make a relatively powerful mailserver for a small enterprise.... rachel -- Rachel Polanskis Kingswood, Greater Western Sydney, Australia grove@zeta.org.au http://www.zeta.org.au/~grove/grove.html "People don't say sorry in this country" - Max Connors (Seachange) cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 28 02:15:14 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:14:56 +1100 Received: from sdcax54-132.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.208.132]:2072 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:14:48 +1100 Received: (qmail 11611 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 15:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 15:14:41 -0000 From: "Mark" To: "Peter Eckersley" , "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:53:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sun hardware CC: "John Coote" , dmarg66@hotmail.com, "Matthew Sanderson" , "Michael Still: In-reply-to: <20001227143224.A11175@ignuthuam> References: ; from r.polanskis@nepean.uws.edu.au on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:07:29AM +1100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20001227151449Z157502-997+3070@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On 27Dc2k Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware > On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:07:29AM +1100, Rachel Polanskis wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Peter Eckersley wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:38:26AM +1100, Mark wrote: >>> >>>> This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering >>>> whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a >>>> good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG >>>> can find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. >>>> >>> >>> Just before this is broadcast to half the planet (:-), I should say >>> that a handwriting recognition error somewhere on the chain of >>> communication transformed '1+' into 'H' and '0.5Gb' into '5Gb'... >>> >>> CCs off-list to us Melbournians... >>> >>> >>>>>> 2 Sparc 10s >>>>>> 1 Sparc IDL >>>>>> 1 Sparc LX >>>>>> 1 Sparc 2 >>>>>> 1 Sparc H (?) >>>>>> 1 Sparc Classic >>>>>> 1 Sparc IPX > > Is this a "yes"? If so, who should I contact to attempt organising a > shipment from Canberra? ********* Peter Eckersley et al This thread seems to be dragging on slowly ..... I had hoped that some of the other members from ComputerBank NSW would have given their collective option by now (hint, hint), but the holiday season seems to have prevented this. Along with the two people that have contacted me privately I too am interested in getting hold of the hardware, (In fact there is an offer to transport the equipment to Sydney). Unfortunately there are ethical problems with all these personal requests as opposed to one on behalf of ComputerBank-NSW. At the last ComputerBank-NSW meeting we discussed what to do with donated items such as these, that are not appropriate for the uses of ComputerBank. One proposal was for individuals to buy the hardware off ComputerBank, and the money could then be used to purchase other necessary equipment. This could be one way to alleviate this ethical problem. In the end the decision is up to you what happens, Mark > Date sent: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:27:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Matthew Sanderson > To: Mark > > Mark, > To my knowledge (limited), all of these will run Linux. I'm using a > couple of Sparcstation SLCs (sun4c) as diskless xterms right now, > using the 'sparc linux x terminal' mini-distribution. > > I would love to have any of this sun hardware in order to use my > Sparcs as more than just xterms, and play around more seriously > with Sun hardware, as it were. I'd be prepared to pay for them. I'm > in canberra right now and would take things back to sydney with me. > > If they're still available, please get back to me. > > Cheers, > --m@ -- > Date sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:17:42 +1100 (EST) > From: Michael Still > To: Mark > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Mark wrote: > -- > I wouldn't mind one of the sparc 10's if they are still available. > Who do I need to contact? > > Thanks, > Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com) > - Panda PDF Generation Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=panda&page=index.htm) > - PandaLex PDF Parsing Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=pandalex&page=index.htm) [END] cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 28 02:22:54 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:22:48 +1100 Received: from CPE-144-132-56-120.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.56.120]:1204 "EHLO doorknob") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:22:26 +1100 Received: from ignuthuam ([192.168.1.99]) by doorknob with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14BIPD-0003eV-00; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:22:19 +1100 Received: from pde by ignuthuam with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14BIP3-0002NF-00; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:22:09 +1100 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:22:09 +1100 From: Peter Eckersley To: Mark Willis Cc: Peter Eckersley , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , dmarg66@hotmail.com, Matthew Sanderson , "Michael Still: "@cs.mu.OZ.AU Subject: Re: Sun hardware Message-ID: <20001228022208.A8942@ignuthuam> References: ; <20001227143224.A11175@ignuthuam> <200012271514.CAA19390@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012271514.CAA19390@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU>; from incarest@uk2.net on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:53:00AM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:53:00AM +1100, Mark wrote: > On 27Dc2k Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware =20 > This thread seems to be dragging on slowly ..... I had hoped that=20 > some of the other members from ComputerBank NSW would have given=20 > their collective option by now (hint, hint), but the holiday season=20 > seems to have prevented this. >=20 > Along with the two people that have contacted me privately I too am=20 > interested in getting hold of the hardware, (In fact there is an=20 > offer to transport the equipment to Sydney). Unfortunately there are=20 > ethical problems with all these personal requests as opposed to one=20 > on behalf of ComputerBank-NSW. >=20 > At the last ComputerBank-NSW meeting we discussed what to do with=20 > donated items such as these, that are not appropriate for the uses of=20 > ComputerBank. One proposal was for individuals to buy the hardware=20 > off ComputerBank, and the money could then be used to purchase other=20 > necessary equipment. This could be one way to alleviate this ethical=20 > problem. >=20 > In the end the decision is up to you what happens, >=20 That's fine by me, provided that there are no objections or CB NSW procedures which are being violated. It may even make sense, since this equipment might have required a lot of effort from Computerbank;=20 provided the donation you offer to CB is decent, this may make more sense. --=20 |> |=3D -+- |=3D |> | |- | |- |\ Peter Eckersley (pde@cs.mu.oz.au) http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~pde =09 for techno-leftie inspiration, take a look at http://www.computerbank.org.au/ --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjpKCSAACgkQnTFKmnV0ZbyQIwCfZ4ZrcFB7hWd8lhbpb7jjoNES /SgAoO61P943Z8mQdPx3YEn5g2D3ryxn =1fYF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3MwIy2ne0vdjdPXF-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 28 03:21:20 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:21:03 +1100 Received: from sdcax54-132.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.208.132]:2094 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:20:39 +1100 Received: (qmail 11675 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2000 16:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 27 Dec 2000 16:20:35 -0000 From: "Mark" To: "Peter Eckersley" , "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 03:14:31 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sun hardware CC: "John Coote" , dmarg66@hotmail.com, "Matthew Sanderson" , "Michael Still" In-reply-to: <20001228022208.A8942@ignuthuam> References: <200012271514.CAA19390@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU>; from incarest@uk2.net on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:53:00AM +1100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20001227162054Z157506-997+3071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On 28 Dec 00, Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware > That's fine by me, provided that there are no objections or CB NSW > procedures which are being violated. It may even make sense, since this > equipment might have required a lot of effort from Computerbank > provided the donation you offer to CB is decent, this may make more > sense. You would probably be the best person assess the value of these machines, would it be possible for you go through the list a set an appropriate figure for each item. Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 28 08:20:55 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:20:39 +1100 Received: from sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au ([24.192.3.29]:58137 "EHLO sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:20:27 +1100 Received: from thalamus (CPE-144-132-152-45.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.152.45]) by sr14.nsw-remote.bigpond.net.au (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA17762 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:20:20 +1100 (EDT) Message-ID: <004101c07054$277ab1d0$2d988490@thalamus> Reply-To: "Raul" From: "Raul" To: References: ; from r.polanskis@nepean.uws.edu.au on Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:07:29AM +1100 <20001227151449Z157502-997+3070@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Subject: Re: Sun hardware Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:27:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I still hold the same opinion as before. If we can transport it for free or cheaply enough, then do it. Even with the amount of personal interest in the hardware (I have stated already that I would quite keenly give it a good home and the questionable use to Computerbank at the moment), I don't see the harm in having extra hardware to distribute. It's the same as the laptops, even though there is no immediate use for them, it is definitely something that will prove to be useful to us down the track (practically or financially). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark" To: "Peter Eckersley" ; "ComputerBank-NSW" Cc: "John Coote" ; ; "Matthew Sanderson" ; > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:53 AM Subject: Re: Sun hardware > On 27Dc2k Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware > > On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:07:29AM +1100, Rachel Polanskis wrote: > >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Peter Eckersley wrote: > >>> On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 12:38:26AM +1100, Mark wrote: > >>> > >>>> This was posted to the nsw-computerbank list. I was just wondering > >>>> whether these will run Linux, and whether anyone in SLUG has a > >>>> good/charitable use for them. Otherwise if people think that CLUG > >>>> can find a better use, can somebody forward this to someone there. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Just before this is broadcast to half the planet (:-), I should say > >>> that a handwriting recognition error somewhere on the chain of > >>> communication transformed '1+' into 'H' and '0.5Gb' into '5Gb'... > >>> > >>> CCs off-list to us Melbournians... > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> 2 Sparc 10s > >>>>>> 1 Sparc IDL > >>>>>> 1 Sparc LX > >>>>>> 1 Sparc 2 > >>>>>> 1 Sparc H (?) > >>>>>> 1 Sparc Classic > >>>>>> 1 Sparc IPX > > > > Is this a "yes"? If so, who should I contact to attempt organising a > > shipment from Canberra? > ********* > Peter Eckersley et al > > This thread seems to be dragging on slowly ..... I had hoped that > some of the other members from ComputerBank NSW would have given > their collective option by now (hint, hint), but the holiday season > seems to have prevented this. > > Along with the two people that have contacted me privately I too am > interested in getting hold of the hardware, (In fact there is an > offer to transport the equipment to Sydney). Unfortunately there are > ethical problems with all these personal requests as opposed to one > on behalf of ComputerBank-NSW. > > At the last ComputerBank-NSW meeting we discussed what to do with > donated items such as these, that are not appropriate for the uses of > ComputerBank. One proposal was for individuals to buy the hardware > off ComputerBank, and the money could then be used to purchase other > necessary equipment. This could be one way to alleviate this ethical > problem. > > In the end the decision is up to you what happens, > > Mark > > > Date sent: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:27:25 -0800 (PST) > > From: Matthew Sanderson > > To: Mark > > > > Mark, > > To my knowledge (limited), all of these will run Linux. I'm using a > > couple of Sparcstation SLCs (sun4c) as diskless xterms right now, > > using the 'sparc linux x terminal' mini-distribution. > > > > I would love to have any of this sun hardware in order to use my > > Sparcs as more than just xterms, and play around more seriously > > with Sun hardware, as it were. I'd be prepared to pay for them. I'm > > in canberra right now and would take things back to sydney with me. > > > > If they're still available, please get back to me. > > > > Cheers, > > --m@ > > -- > > > Date sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:17:42 +1100 (EST) > > From: Michael Still > > To: Mark > > > > On Sat, 23 Dec 2000, Mark wrote: > > -- > > I wouldn't mind one of the sparc 10's if they are still available. > > Who do I need to contact? > > > > Thanks, > > Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com) > > - Panda PDF Generation Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=panda&page=index.htm) > > - PandaLex PDF Parsing Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=pandalex&page=index.htm) > > [END] > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 29 22:48:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:48:46 +1100 Received: from mta06.mail.au.uu.net ([203.2.192.87]:42371 "EHLO mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:48:23 +1100 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au with SMTP id <20001229114822.KVES9452.mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au@localhost>; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 22:48:22 +1100 From: To: John Coote CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Sydney Premises Date: Fri, Dec 29 2000 22:48:21 GMT+1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20001229114822.KVES9452.mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au@localhost> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I thought we had some. Otherwise my place is ok for a little bit of storage, but not an office. ============================================================ From: John Coote Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:17:20 -0800 (PST) To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Sydney Premises Morning all does anyone know any more about premises for CBNSW? James - are you out there? John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Dec 30 00:03:11 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:02:53 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:4857 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:02:43 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28278; Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:02:06 +1100 Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 00:02:06 +1100 (EST) From: David To: rauly@ozemail.com.au cc: John Coote , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Sydney Premises In-Reply-To: <20001229114822.KVES9452.mta06.mail.mel.aone.net.au@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox At the moment, my basement is being used for storage, and would also be suitable for workshopping installations, etc. AFAIK that is the "premises" referred to. I've been waiting for someone to suggest a time .. as soon as a project is agreed to. David On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 rauly@ozemail.com.au wrote: > I thought we had some. Otherwise my place is ok for a little bit of storage, but not an office. > > ============================================================ > From: John Coote > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:17:20 -0800 (PST) > To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > Subject: Sydney Premises > > Morning all > does anyone know any more about premises for CBNSW? > James - are you out there? > John Coote > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jan 3 14:06:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:06:15 +1100 Received: from CPE-144-132-56-120.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.56.120]:1354 "EHLO doorknob") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:05:51 +1100 Received: from ignuthuam ([192.168.1.99]) by doorknob with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14DeEp-0007G8-00; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:05:19 +1100 Received: from pde by ignuthuam with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14DeEm-00038c-00; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:05:16 +1100 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:05:16 +1100 From: Peter Eckersley To: Mark Cc: ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , dmarg66@hotmail.com, Matthew Sanderson , Michael Still Subject: Re: Sun hardware Message-ID: <20010103140516.A11500@ignuthuam> References: <200012271514.CAA19390@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU>; <20001228022208.A8942@ignuthuam> <200012271620.DAA19874@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012271620.DAA19874@mumnunah.cs.mu.OZ.AU>; from incarest@uk2.net on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:14:31AM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:14:31AM +1100, Mark wrote: > On 28 Dec 00, Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware > > That's fine by me, provided that there are no objections or CB NSW > > procedures which are being violated. It may even make sense, since this > > equipment might have required a lot of effort from Computerbank > > provided the donation you offer to CB is decent, this may make more > > sense. >=20 > You would probably be the best person assess the value of these=20 > machines, would it be possible for you go through the list a set an=20 > appropriate figure for each item. >=20 > Mark > > > > > > 2 Sparc 10s > > > > > > 1 Sparc IDL > > > > > > 1 Sparc LX > > > > > > 1 Sparc 2 > > > > > > 1 Sparc H (?) > > > > > > 1 Sparc Classic > > > > > > 1 Sparc IPX > >=20 >=20 Okay, this is what my sources tell me: > Hmmm, the SPARC 10's are worth a minimum of $450 each, depending on=20 > how they're loaded with RAM & how many CPUS. Figure on adding +$100 > for each CPU over the first one and $50 for each 32Mb RAM installed. >=20 > The LX & Classic are worth about $300 each depending on how well they work > and how clean &c. Add $100 if any of these have a monitor. >=20 > The rest are probably in the $100-150 range (boat anchors). So in total it looks like about $2000 worth. Mark, it's up to you and the rest of CB NSW to decide whether you're going to pay all/some of this, and what you're going to do about=20 (the absence of) warranties, liability and reliability. HTH, --=20 |> |=3D -+- |=3D |> | |- | |- |\ Peter Eckersley (pde@cs.mu.oz.au) http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~pde =09 for techno-leftie inspiration, take a look at http://www.computerbank.org.au/ --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjpSlusACgkQnTFKmnV0Zby6GACgtLpU+Jp5CgFgegXUaS8IZGdy CcMAnR6TKj1SD934B6hxTYpxJPmkUurv =PZ4m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jan 3 23:10:41 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:10:24 +1100 Received: from host-216-226-198-212.interpacket.net ([216.226.198.212]:3501 "HELO aramis.goldweb.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:10:06 +1100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (raoppp30.goldweb.com.au [203.37.36.220]) by aramis.goldweb.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC3C2B836; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 23:09:51 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (mikal@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20685; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:59:50 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: mikal owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:59:50 +1100 (EST) From: Michael Still X-Sender: To: Peter Eckersley Cc: Mark , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , , Matthew Sanderson Subject: Re: Sun hardware In-Reply-To: <20010103140516.A11500@ignuthuam> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Peter Eckersley wrote: > > Hmmm, the SPARC 10's are worth a minimum of $450 each, depending on > > how they're loaded with RAM & how many CPUS. Figure on adding +$100 > > for each CPU over the first one and $50 for each 32Mb RAM installed. Have a look at ebay for realistic auction prices for Sun machines. It really depends on CPU speed (a Sparc 10 with a slow CPU isn't worth much at all). Mikal -- Michael Still (mikal@stillhq.com) - Panda PDF Generation Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=panda&page=index.htm) - PandaLex PDF Parsing Library (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=pandalex&page=index.htm) - PandaScript PDF Scripting Interface (http://www.stillhq.com/cgi-bin/getpage?area=pandascript&page=index.htm) - GPG Public Key at http://www.stillhq.com/mikal.asc and on pgp.net keyservers "To read makes our speaking english good" -- Xander, Buffy the Vampire Slayer in "I Robot, You Jane" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Jan 4 01:14:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:13:47 +1100 Received: from sdcax56-111.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.217.111]:2427 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:13:32 +1100 Received: (qmail 16499 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 14:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO q) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 14:13:28 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "Matthew Sanderson" , "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:13:27 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Sun hardware CC: "Daniel Margulius" References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Message-Id:<20010103141342Z157696-22181+144@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On 26 Dec 00, Matthew Sanderson wrote: Re: [SLUG] Re: Sun hardware > I would love to have any of this sun hardware in order to use my > Sparcs as more than just xterms, and play around more seriously with > Sun hardware, as it were. I'd be prepared to pay for them. I'm in > canberra right now and would take things back to sydney with me. Matthew, Are you still in Canberra? If so can you bring the boxes back to Sydney. As a guide for the nominal value of these boxes, my suggestion to the CB-NSW on their value/the size of donation to ComputerBank is 50% of the values stated in the message from "Peter Eckersley 3 Jan 01". This is to account the absence of any "warranties, liability and reliability". This would approximately bring the prices inline with those achieved at EBay over the last month. On 3 Jan 01, Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware > Hmmm, the SPARC 10's are worth a minimum of $450 each, depending on > how they're loaded with RAM & how many CPUS. Figure on adding +$100 > for each CPU over the first one and $50 for each 32Mb RAM > installed. > > The LX & Classic are worth about $300 each depending on how well > they work and how clean &c. Add $100 if any of these have a > monitor. > > The rest are probably in the $100-150 range (boat anchors). Regards Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Jan 4 01:20:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:20:17 +1100 Received: from CPE-144-132-56-120.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.56.120]:1386 "EHLO doorknob") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:20:06 +1100 Received: from ignuthuam ([192.168.1.99]) by doorknob with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14DolD-0007Vx-00; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:19:27 +1100 Received: from pde by ignuthuam with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14DolC-0000zf-00; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:19:26 +1100 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:19:25 +1100 From: Peter Eckersley To: Michael Still Cc: Peter Eckersley , Mark , ComputerBank-NSW , John Coote , dmarg66@hotmail.com, Matthew Sanderson Subject: Re: Sun hardware Message-ID: <20010104011925.B3602@ignuthuam> References: <20010103140516.A11500@ignuthuam> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+QahgC5+KEYLbs62" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mikal@stillhq.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:59:50AM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:59:50AM +1100, Michael Still wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Peter Eckersley wrote: >=20 > > > Hmmm, the SPARC 10's are worth a minimum of $450 each, depending on > > > how they're loaded with RAM & how many CPUS. Figure on adding +$100 > > > for each CPU over the first one and $50 for each 32Mb RAM installed. >=20 > Have a look at ebay for realistic auction prices for Sun machines. It > really depends on CPU speed (a Sparc 10 with a slow CPU isn't worth much > at all). >=20 If somebody wants to do that, fine. My estimation was rather vague anyway, because I don't know how many monitors there are, and what sizes they might be... Daniel, can you enlighten us? --=20 |> |=3D -+- |=3D |> | |- | |- |\ Peter Eckersley (pde@cs.mu.oz.au) http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~pde =09 for techno-leftie inspiration, take a look at http://www.computerbank.org.au/ --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjpTNO0ACgkQnTFKmnV0ZbzI3ACgq2hVlmTC1BSLc8lRrq6jlimt ru0AoMraCkQwJWyTJAm/BQ06TkmWjb1F =gMP1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+QahgC5+KEYLbs62-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Jan 4 10:57:59 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:57:52 +1100 Received: from damoo.csun.edu ([130.166.15.27]:4805 "EHLO DaMOO.csun.edu") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:57:37 +1100 Received: from localhost (matthew@localhost) by DaMOO.csun.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA14513; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:52:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Sanderson To: Mark Willis cc: ComputerBank-NSW , Daniel Margulius Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Sun hardware In-Reply-To: <200101031508.HAA13566@DaMOO.csun.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Mark, Unfortunately (sort of) I'm back in sydney now. However a canberra friend with a van may be willing to transport the hardware; I'll ask him and get back to you. --m@ On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Mark Willis wrote: > On 26 Dec 00, Matthew Sanderson wrote: Re: [SLUG] Re: Sun hardware > > I would love to have any of this sun hardware in order to use my > > Sparcs as more than just xterms, and play around more seriously with > > Sun hardware, as it were. I'd be prepared to pay for them. I'm in > > canberra right now and would take things back to sydney with me. > > Matthew, > > Are you still in Canberra? If so can you bring the boxes back to > Sydney. > > As a guide for the nominal value of these boxes, my suggestion to > the CB-NSW on their value/the size of donation to ComputerBank is 50% > of the values stated in the message from "Peter Eckersley 3 Jan 01". > This is to account the absence of any "warranties, liability and > reliability". This would approximately bring the prices inline with > those achieved at EBay over the last month. > > On 3 Jan 01, Peter Eckersley wrote: Re: Sun hardware > > Hmmm, the SPARC 10's are worth a minimum of $450 each, depending on > how they're loaded with RAM & how many CPUS. Figure on adding +$100 > > for each CPU over the first one and $50 for each 32Mb RAM > > installed. > > > > The LX & Classic are worth about $300 each depending on how well > > they work and how clean &c. Add $100 if any of these have a > > monitor. > > > > The rest are probably in the $100-150 range (boat anchors). > > Regards > > Mark > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jan 23 23:37:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:37:18 +1100 Received: from sdcax53-190.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.207.190]:2563 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:37:04 +1100 Received: (qmail 28979 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2001 12:36:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 12:36:58 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:21:25 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) The list CC: "Daniel Margulius" In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20010123123708Z158249-18794+748@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, Now that linux.conf.au is over, there should be a bit more time and energy available to organize picking these up from Canberra. I did have an offer to transport these boxes to Sydney, but this seems to have fallen through. So does anyone have a van and/or is interested in a trip to Canberra. If no one has a van one option is to hire one for the day. Regards Mark ---- On 18Ja2K1, Daniel Margulius wrote: The list ---- OK Mark, here is the final list of equipment. There's more than I originally described, which may or may not be good for you. 1 Sparc Classic (w/ 20" monitor) 1 Sparc LX (w/ 15" monitor) 1 Sparc 10 (w/ 20" monitor) 1 Sparc IPC (w/ 17" monitor) 1 Sparc IPX (w/ 17" monitor) 1 Sparc 1+ (w/ 17" monitor) 2 Sparc 10s (each w/ 20" monitor) 1 Sparc 10 (no disk) 1 Sparc 2 (no memory) 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) 4 half-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) 6 full-height external disk boxes (1 Gb each) Do you want this stuff, and if so, how soon can you pick it up? At the moment it is all being kept in my office, so I would appreciate it if you could pick it up ASAP. daniel ---- End of forwarded message ---- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Jan 25 09:24:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:23:50 +1100 Received: from baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.12]:47361 "EHLO baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:23:31 +1100 Received: from OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (ocs1.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.6.13]) by baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0OMN4e28636; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:23:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from OCS1/SpoolDir by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 25 Jan 01 09:23:45 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by OCS1 (Mercury 1.44); 25 Jan 01 09:23:36 +1000 Received: from mail.com (137.111.11.65) by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 25 Jan 01 09:23:33 +1000 Message-ID: <3A6F55E4.3994F235@mail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:23:32 +1100 From: nik lam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Willis CC: ComputerBank-NSW Subject: Re: (Fwd) The list References: <20010123123708Z158249-18794+748@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox If we get desperate, ive got access to a van, though its one of those horrid hi-ace campervans - comes with everything including the kitchen sink, so i dont know if there would be room for all those big monitors... Just did a quick check with a couple hire companies for 1 tonne vans - thrifty charge $66 per day, and $0.27 for each km above 100; budget charges $82.50 and the same excess km. I said i needed it for saturday week (thats when im free) and that all drivers were older than 25. nik Mark Willis wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Now that linux.conf.au is over, there should be a bit more time and > energy available to organize picking these up from Canberra. > > I did have an offer to transport these boxes to Sydney, but this > seems to have fallen through. So does anyone have a van and/or is > interested in a trip to Canberra. If no one has a van one option is > to hire one for the day. > > Regards > Mark > > ---- On 18Ja2K1, Daniel Margulius wrote: The list ---- > OK Mark, here is the final list of equipment. There's more than I > originally described, which may or may not be good for you. > > 1 Sparc Classic (w/ 20" monitor) > 1 Sparc LX (w/ 15" monitor) > 1 Sparc 10 (w/ 20" monitor) > 1 Sparc IPC (w/ 17" monitor) > 1 Sparc IPX (w/ 17" monitor) > 1 Sparc 1+ (w/ 17" monitor) > 2 Sparc 10s (each w/ 20" monitor) > 1 Sparc 10 (no disk) > 1 Sparc 2 (no memory) > 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) > 4 half-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) > 6 full-height external disk boxes (1 Gb each) > > Do you want this stuff, and if so, how soon can you pick it up? > At the moment it is all being kept in my office, so I would > appreciate it if you could pick it up ASAP. > > daniel > ---- End of forwarded message ---- > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Jan 25 11:32:35 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:32:17 +1100 Received: from mpower3.marshmc.com ([206.8.63.131]:1890 "EHLO mpower3.marshmc.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:31:56 +1100 Received: from [168.74.83.43] by mpower3.marshmc.com with ESMTP for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:31:34 Z Received: from marsh40-gw.email.marshmc.com by marsh3.marshmc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:31:30 Z X400-Received: by mta MTAmrshmc1 in /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 25 Jan 2001 00:31:11 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 25 Jan 2001 00:31:11 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; 072483A6F73CF12D-mrshmc1] Content-Identifier: 072483A6F73CF12D Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <072483A6F73CF12D*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Date: 25 Jan 2001 00:31:11 Z From: Craig Warner To: cb-nsw Subject: Road trip Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Oh goodie, a road trip straight out of "The young ones". I'll be in that. Craig ____________________ Craig Warner Operations Administrator Marsh Pty Ltd 60 Margaret Street Sydney, New South Wales 2000 AUSTRALIA Phone: (61-28) 243-7543 Fax: (61-28) 243-7550 Internet: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com ____________________ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Jan 26 10:27:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:27:14 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.95] ([139.134.6.95]:63233 "EHLO mailin7.email.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:26:57 +1100 Received: from thalamus ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin7.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G7QS0C01.LC4 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:31:24 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-132-152-45.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.152.45]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Disorderly-MailRouter V2.9c 9/1502196); 26 Jan 2001 09:26:41 Message-ID: <004901c0872f$bdf50ce0$2d988490@thalamus> Reply-To: "Raul" From: "Raul" To: "cb-nsw" References: <072483A6F73CF12D*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Subject: Re: Road trip Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:31:17 +1000 Organization: None MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Yeah, a road trip sounds fun. Unfortunately Nik's van maybe a little too small (as looking at the list it would seem that there are a log of big things to move). Plus we need to leave room for the drugs we will smuggle out of the ACT to pay for the trip! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Warner" To: "cb-nsw" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Road trip > Oh goodie, a road trip straight out of "The young ones". > > I'll be in that. > > Craig > ____________________ > Craig Warner > Operations Administrator > Marsh Pty Ltd > 60 Margaret Street > Sydney, New South Wales 2000 > AUSTRALIA > Phone: (61-28) 243-7543 > Fax: (61-28) 243-7550 > Internet: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com > ____________________ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Jan 28 19:31:43 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:31:26 +1100 Received: from sdcax54-029.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.208.29]:1033 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:31:13 +1100 Received: (qmail 2302 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2001 08:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 28 Jan 2001 08:31:03 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:23:11 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) The list CC: "Terry Collins" , "Daniel Margulius" In-reply-to: <3A70BFAA.9BFE7C85@woa.com.au> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20010128083118Z158376-18794+1025@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, To tie up this never ending saga... Even though I like the idea of a "Road Trip" ... > Oh goodie, a road trip straight out of "The young ones". I just don't think that it is practical to use Nik Lam's "Campervan" > If we get desperate, ive got access to a van, though its one of > those horrid hi-ace campervans - comes with everything including > the kitchen sink, So to go for a practical solution, Terry Collins has kindly offered to transport the computers to Sydney along with the offer of temporary storage and workshop space. Thankyou for everyone that has helped along the way, so hopefully everything will be in Sydney soon. Regards Mark -- On 26Ja2K1 Terry Collins wrote: Re: (Fwd) The list > I'm looking at Wednesday 31st, if that suits in Canberra. -- > Since we live in Campbelltown, it is easy to slip away in the early > morning. Arrive between 10-11. > > I have a hand trolley and I assume there are lifts and no stairs (it > is a stair climber trolley), so it will be quite easy to manage the > load (I've done this a few times and I'm definitely not hand carrying > 20/21" monitors). The load would be covered in the van. > > In the afternoon, we would do something in Canberra (in an > air-conditioned building), then drive home in the evening. I'll unload > the next day, list it and possibly run some tests. > > To help get it shifted fast, I could provide workshop space. -- > So, if Computerbank wanted to organise a workshop day (Sat 3rd) to do > something, then, we could probably have four at least up (more if we > worked outside a-la MacLUG setup, then distribute from there. > > Or if you are selling/otherwise distributing, people could come out > and collect from me. > > Or I could do a run around Sydney one day and drop stuff of. > > I would like them all gone by the end of February, otherwise, they > will have to move out under a tarp. ---- > Mark Willis wrote: > > Terry, > > > > On 24Ja2K1 Terry Collins wrote: Re: (Fwd) The list > > > I emailed John and said that I would be happy to go for a trip to > > > Canberra and collect the stuff - in return for one of the better > > > setups. I need some hardware to run Solaris 8. > > > > Thankyou for your your offer, it seems very reasonable that you > > should receive hardware in exchange for the cost of transport. -- > > > I have a van. Very temporary storage is available, if needed. > > > > This sounds great, when would you be available. -- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jan 31 23:51:20 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:51:12 +1100 Received: from sdcax54-029.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.208.29]:1070 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:50:51 +1100 Received: (qmail 4389 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2001 12:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 31 Jan 2001 12:50:39 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "ComputerBank-NSW" Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:41:37 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sun Hardware from ComputerBank. CC: "Sydney Linux Users Group" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20010131125101Z158473-18794+1241@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, Want to break of of the Lintel (wintel) monopoly? Well here is your chance! ComputerBank-NSW currently has just under a dozen Sun and SGI workstations that need good homes. This Saturday (3rd Feb) we will be holding a workshop in Terry Collins garage at Campbeltown to sort through the equipment ... maybe even try a Linux install. Everyone is welcome, if you have Sun/SGI experience we would love to have you there, likewise if you are just interested or wish to get hold of one of these boxes that you lust after, then your are more than welcome. Basically anyone who is prepared to pay the suggested value and helps out on Saturday gets first priority. After that the hardware will be distributed to people prepared to pay that suggested value of the equipment. If you don't think the hardware is worth the suggested value or you cannot afford it, make an offer, all bids will be considered on their merit. Value $275 3 Sparc 10 (each w/ 20" monitor) $200 1 Sparc 10 (no disk, no keyboard & no monitor) $200 1 Sparc Classic (w/ 20" monitor) $200 1 Sparc LX (w/ 15" monitor) $125 1 Sparc 1+ (w/ 17" monitor) $125 1 Sparc IPX (w/ 17" monitor) $125 1 Sparc IPC (w/ 17" monitor) $75 1 Sparc 2 (no memory, no keyboard & no monitor) $50 4 half-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) $??? 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) For further details contact Terry Collins or me at: "Mark Willis" "Terry Collins" Regards Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 00:05:50 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:05:41 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64180 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:05:28 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA13082; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:05:48 +1100 Message-ID: <3A77FF00.4A137446@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:03:12 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ComputerBank-NSW , Sydney Linux Users Group CC: Mark Willis Subject: Re: Sun Hardware from ComputerBank. References: <20010131125101Z158473-18794+1241@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Mark Willis wrote: > Value > $275 3 Sparc 10 (each w/ 20" monitor) There are only two of these available. Both look to work, ie, the diagnostics boot up - missing operating system. One has 32Mb of Ram & 1Gb hard disk, other has 64Mb of Ram and 1Gb hard disk. > $200 1 Sparc 10 (no disk, no keyboard & no monitor) Not tested - given for parts. > > $200 1 Sparc Classic (w/ 20" monitor) > $200 1 Sparc LX (w/ 15" monitor) > $125 1 Sparc 1+ (w/ 17" monitor) > $125 1 Sparc IPX (w/ 17" monitor) > $125 1 Sparc IPC (w/ 17" monitor) > $75 1 Sparc 2 (no memory, no keyboard & no monitor) Given for spare parts. > > $50 4 half-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) There are actually THREE of these. These are the SUN lunch boxes and will hold a half height hard disk. Comes complete with high density SCSI ports (2). > $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) There are actually seven of these, one is a SUN box and five are GNS and the other is UniMac brand. Basically will hold a full height SCSI hard disk. Two, External low-density SCSI ports (The Sun box is high density). Fan blows through. All boxes have either 500Mb or 1Gb SCSI hard disks (as far as we know so far). > > $??? 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) This boots into diagnostics - again missing OS. Has the Indy Cam (?) with it. Missing mouse (3 buttons PS/2) works and mike for Camera. Someone is selling a beefed up one of these for $700 on 2600 list. This has 100Mhz CPU, 64Mb of ram and 2gb hard disk. > > For further details contact Terry Collins or me at: > "Mark Willis" > "Terry Collins" I will post details on the others when I get time. Email if you have a particular interest. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 08:37:24 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:37:07 +1100 Received: from mypc.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au ([203.21.134.20]:4349 "EHLO fox.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:36:51 +1100 Received: from [203.21.134.14] (helo=penrithcity.nsw.gov.au) by fox.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14OEIp-000Bmx-00; Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:37:11 +1100 Message-ID: <3A788572.7040201@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:36:50 +1100 From: Dean Hamstead Organization: PCL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19pre2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Willis CC: ComputerBank-NSW , Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sun Hardware from ComputerBank. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Just a suggestion. Network install the lot. Will make your lives a lot easier. Just grab a linux xmachine (i386 even) and set up rarp, bootparams nfs etc. plug the sparcs in and let them install. No disks (discs) no fuss. That is, if they all have nics. Debian supports sparc doesnt it =) I hear suse does. Is anyone interested in my "steps to installing a sparc over a network" admitedly its for openbsd, but 80% of it is OS independant (eg. network settings and sparc bios stuff) Dean Mark Willis wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Want to break of of the Lintel (wintel) monopoly? Well here is your > chance! ComputerBank-NSW currently has just under a dozen Sun and > SGI workstations that need good homes. > > This Saturday (3rd Feb) we will be holding a workshop in Terry > Collins garage at Campbeltown to sort through the equipment ... > maybe even try a Linux install. Everyone is welcome, if you have > Sun/SGI experience we would love to have you there, likewise if you > are just interested or wish to get hold of one of these boxes that > you lust after, then your are more than welcome. > > Basically anyone who is prepared to pay the suggested value and > helps out on Saturday gets first priority. After that the hardware > will be distributed to people prepared to pay that suggested value of > the equipment. If you don't think the hardware is worth the > suggested value or you cannot afford it, make an offer, all bids > will be considered on their merit. > > Value > $275 3 Sparc 10 (each w/ 20" monitor) > $200 1 Sparc 10 (no disk, no keyboard & no monitor) > > $200 1 Sparc Classic (w/ 20" monitor) > $200 1 Sparc LX (w/ 15" monitor) > > $125 1 Sparc 1+ (w/ 17" monitor) > $125 1 Sparc IPX (w/ 17" monitor) > $125 1 Sparc IPC (w/ 17" monitor) > $75 1 Sparc 2 (no memory, no keyboard & no monitor) > > $50 4 half-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) > $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) > > $??? 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) > > For further details contact Terry Collins or me at: > "Mark Willis" > "Terry Collins" > > Regards > > Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 08:44:45 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:44:28 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64291 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:44:06 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14359; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:44:26 +1100 Message-ID: <3A78788B.80C61238@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 07:41:47 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dean Hamstead , ComputerBank-NSW , Sydney Linux Users Group CC: Mark Willis Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sun Hardware from ComputerBank. References: <3A788572.7040201@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dean Hamstead wrote: > > Just a suggestion. > Network install the lot. That is a distinct possibility as they all have NICs built in. FGI - they also have SCSI built in as well. > Debian supports sparc doesnt it =) I hear suse does. So I hear > > Is anyone interested in my "steps to installing a sparc > over a network" admitedly its for openbsd, but 80% of it is OS > independant (eg. network settings and sparc bios stuff) Yes please. (I'm basically a person who is satisfied with the wheel and is quite happy not to reinvent it {:-). -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 09:03:00 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:02:42 +1100 Received: from mypc.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au ([203.21.134.20]:4418 "EHLO fox.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:02:24 +1100 Received: from [203.21.134.14] (helo=penrithcity.nsw.gov.au) by fox.penrithcity.nsw.gov.au with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14OEhd-000BoH-00; Thu, 01 Feb 2001 19:02:49 +1100 Message-ID: <3A788B74.7030104@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:02:28 +1100 From: Dean Hamstead Organization: PCL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19pre2 i686; en-US; 0.7) Gecko/20010105 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Collins CC: ComputerBank-NSW , Sydney Linux Users Group , Mark Willis Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sun Hardware from ComputerBank. References: <3A788572.7040201@penrithcity.nsw.gov.au> <3A78788B.80C61238@woa.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/OpenBSD/260/0/4662866/ or http://lists.openresources.com/OpenBSD/sparc/msg00561.html multiple mail archives =) looking at it now some stuff is pretty vague. Oh well, having done about 5 network installs i may be of some help. boot.net gets the machine going it them checks out bootparams to see where it should get root from. It then opens its NFS root and starts up bsd.rd (which is a kernel + ramimage) and the install begins. My sparc came with redhat on it, and apparently there is doco with it. Sparc BIOS hardware changes a bit from what ive heard. Thankfully you can go "help command" (eg. help boot) and it gives you info. Dean Terry Collins wrote: > Dean Hamstead wrote: > >> Just a suggestion. >> Network install the lot. > > > That is a distinct possibility as they all have NICs built in. > FGI - they also have SCSI built in as well. > > >> Debian supports sparc doesnt it =) I hear suse does. > > > So I hear > >> Is anyone interested in my "steps to installing a sparc >> over a network" admitedly its for openbsd, but 80% of it is OS >> independant (eg. network settings and sparc bios stuff) > > > Yes please. > (I'm basically a person who is satisfied with the wheel and is quite > happy not to reinvent it {:-). > > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 15:34:13 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:34:06 +1100 Received: from mpower3.marshmc.com ([206.8.63.131]:4533 "EHLO mpower3.marshmc.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:33:53 +1100 Received: from [168.74.83.43] by mpower3.marshmc.com with ESMTP for CB-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:33:34 Z Received: from marsh40-gw.email.marshmc.com by marsh3.marshmc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:33:31 Z X400-Received: by mta MTAmrshmc1 in /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 01 Feb 2001 04:33:18 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 01 Feb 2001 04:33:18 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; 056443A78E70E057-mrshmc1] Content-Identifier: 056443A78E70E057 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <056443A78E70E057*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Date: 01 Feb 2001 04:33:18 Z From: Craig Warner To: CB-nsw Subject: Crown Street Primary School Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox 01/02/2001 03:29 PM ---------------------- Forwarded by Craig Warner/SYD-NS/AU/Marsh/MMC on 1 Feb 2001, 15:29 Thursday --------------------------- >From Craig Warner on 1 Feb 2001, 15:12 Thursday To: cathy; cb-nsw cc: Subject: Crown Street Primary School Cathy, There is only a small detail of paperwork that has to be covered involving computer bank. I will either fax or deliver to you ASAP. Craig To: cathy@virtualteacher.com.au@internet, cb-nsw@linux.org.au@internet cc: From: Craig Warner/SYD-NS/AU/Marsh/MMC cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 15:34:42 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:34:35 +1100 Received: from mpower2.marshmc.com ([206.8.63.130]:1161 "EHLO mpower2.marshmc.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:34:22 +1100 Received: from [168.74.83.43] by mpower2.marshmc.com with ESMTP for CB-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:34:05 Z Received: from marsh40-gw.email.marshmc.com by marsh3.marshmc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 1 Feb 2001 04:34:03 Z X400-Received: by mta MTAmrshmc1 in /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 01 Feb 2001 04:33:48 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 01 Feb 2001 04:33:48 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; 044293A78E72C0B9-mrshmc1] Content-Identifier: 044293A78E72C0B9 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <044293A78E72C0B9*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Date: 01 Feb 2001 04:33:48 Z From: Craig Warner To: cb-nsw Subject: Fort Street Primary School Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox 01/02/2001 03:30 PM ---------------------- Forwarded by Craig Warner/SYD-NS/AU/Marsh/MMC on 1 Feb 2001, 15:30 Thursday --------------------------- >From Craig Warner on 1 Feb 2001, 15:31 Thursday To: cb-nsw cc: Subject: Fort Street Primary School Hi folks, I've received a call from Fort Street Primary School. They had heard of what ComputerBank is all about and the interested about what will be happening for Crown Street Primary. Anyway, I will be senting Fort Street the Victoria ComputerBank application forms. But this opens ComputerBank to two areas, which I believe we need to address, First, Incorporation Second, Mail Box. Comments? With John looking at an addition to his family, some of us, I hope will take up a bit of the ComputerBank work from John. I wish John and his wife all the best. I await for all the announcement details soon. Regards Craig ____________________ Craig Warner Operations Administrator Marsh Pty Ltd 60 Margaret Street Sydney, New South Wales 2000 AUSTRALIA Phone: (61-28) 243-7543 Fax: (61-28) 243-7550 Internet: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com ____________________ To: cb-nsw@linux.org.au@internet cc: From: Craig Warner/SYD-NS/AU/Marsh/MMC cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 1 23:35:04 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:34:45 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64807 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:34:37 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16930; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:34:59 +1100 Message-ID: <3A79493E.2FAFACC4@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:32:14 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slug , cbnsw Subject: It helps if people give valid email adresses: Sparc HW -[Fwd: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: gateway.localnet: host not found)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Sorry folks, but they are following up on a message off the Slug list and I figure someone else would have asked. > To: Administrator > References: <200102011152.f11BqGL01679@gateway.localnet> > > Administrator wrote: > > > > > > $275 3 Sparc 10 (each w/ 20" monitor) > > > > $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (1Gb each) > > > > At the risk of sounding stupid, $50 for all the disks or each ? > I would say each is reasonable for an external SCSI harddisk box. However, you are free to bid in whatever way you wish. Also, some may be less that 1Gb. We won't know until we open each one and check the drive. They will take a full height 5" hard disk each. You would need to provide some internal framing if you wanted to include two half heights, but you would only have external buttons for one changeable SCSI ID. > > > > > > $??? 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) > > > > Do you have the specs on this Terry ? > 100Mhz, 64Mb of RAM, 1Gb (?) HD Includes the Camera. Missing a PS/2 mouse. We have already received an offer of $100 and a request for donation from a linux developer. Higher bids welcome. I'm awaiting a loan of CDs to install software. The IPC, IPX, LX, 2 etc have an amazing array of monitors and these may be of more interest to some people. There is a Hitachi 21", 2 x Max Vision? (DTX-17?), 1 Nec 4FG, and 1 Nec 5FGp. So we will also take bid on just the monitors. > > > > Would ComputerBank be interested in some 486's and assorted hardware ? > I'm not sure to be honest. Best to post to the CBNSW list and ask. Giving specs would help. I'm not up todate with their hardware standards. Also advise when available and when they are required to be removed Also advise any requirements on disposal, i.e can on-sell, must donate, don't care-where is the truck, etc. Speaking Generally Just to make it clear, Computer Bank NSW is selling off this gear. It is basically being auctioned to the highest bidder. So in the case of the Sparc 10's, highest bidder gets first choice, etc. First round of bids close this Saturday to Mark Willis (CC me). If you want cheap stuff/left overs wait until after Saturday. The emphasis so far is on the Sparc 10s - these are not Ultras and an offer has been received on the SD Indy. We will basically take the best offer each week and at the end of February, bin/recycle/junk the remainder. Computerbank can use the funds and I am NOT running a shop - just to make that point clear (yes - someone phoned) nor am I looking for a Computer garden object, So this stuff is going FAST. . If you want to inspect the gear, this Saturday is the best option. We will be opening and cleaning everything. We are hoping to show each box running Solaris this Saturday - to prove it all works. If time permits and you are keen, and we have the CDs, we can also try a Linux install for those who want to go this way. There have also been some offers to assist with *BSD installs for those interested. If you can not make it Sat 3rd, they try MacLUG on Sat 17th if you want to try a Linux install. Personally, I think these boxes would be okay as a NFS/Samba server for a home network as they all come with built in SCSI. You will need to email me if you want the address for Saturday, and there will be the usual tea/coffee and BBQ on offer as for Maclug. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 4 12:59:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:59:02 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62738 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:58:54 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26029; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:59:41 +1100 Message-ID: <3A7CA8BF.859D4173@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 11:56:31 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: I have a cheque Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Okay folks, the trip to Canberra and the workshop day have been most successful. I now have a cheque for $725 in my hands, made out to Computerbank for equipment sold off and collected. There is another cheque due for $275, which gives a total of $1,000 raised for Computerbank - NSW. That is enough to take out a public liability coverage and become incorporated. Can someone supply me with details of the bank account and I'll arrange to get it deposited. If we don't have a bank account, can I suggest a credit union, say Endeavour, or similar. There will be some separate messages on the hardware later. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 4 14:53:02 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:52:44 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62810 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:52:27 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA26318; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:53:16 +1100 Message-ID: <3A7CC35E.1892BD8B@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 13:50:06 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw , Slug Subject: Sparc Hardware Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Sent to Slug and Computerbank NSW due to interest from both lists. I've started a WWW page at http://www.woa.com.au/terryc/hardware/sparc/ to provide a convenient list of URLs for people wanting further information/ideas/how-tos, etc. Thanks to Rachael and Crossfire for their information and contributions. Basically there were four Sparc 10s. Three have been taken and only one is left (50Mhz cpu, 32Mb ram, no hard disk at present - we might have a hard disk for it when I get Solaris 8 installed). Can anyone tell me how the Sparc 10 knows about its boot hard disk? i.e. does it just boot off a scsi at id0 or do you have to do something like enter hard disk parameters into the nvram. Still available are the IPX (40Mb + floppy), IPC (8Mb + floppy), Classic (48Mb - no floppy) and LX (32Mb + floppy). Hard disk sizes are unknown at this stage http://www.obsolyte.com/ is a good site if you want to know what each of these is capable of and a bit more of the hardware details (simms types, etc). E.g. the Classic & LX take standard 72pin parity ram and will hold up to 96Mb of ram. The first two of these systems will be sold with keyboard, mouse and cables, the third will get a keyboard and the four none of these. Apparently, if they do not detect a keyboard, they will boot headless automatically to the serial port. We didn't get around to confirming this on the day. The Sparc 1 and Sparc two are broken and will be kept for spare parts or sale as such. There is also an S bus expansion box if anyone wants to make an offer. The monitors are being offered seperately to the systems as they are all foreign brands anyway. Only the Nec 4FG and Nec 5FGp remain. The Hitachi 21" and the two Magvision DXT-17 monitors have been sold and collected. There are three Sparc lunch box external hardisk packs left ( hold 3.5" to 3/4 height, one drive). There are six other external hard disk boxes left (hold one 5" drive to full height). Mark will post asking prices in a separate post. Offers are also welcome. Computerbank isn't chasing $ from blood, but if you want to offer more, it is welcome. The situation with the SGI Indy is still open. Best offer has been $150 dollars sans monitor. Unfortunately, none of the Solaris or Indy software arrived, so we were not able to test install any of the systems, nor were we able to boot onto a sparc linux floppy either. All in all, a good day with five people involved. Lunch was provided by WOA. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 4 17:27:29 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:27:16 +1100 Received: from [203.101.127.117] ([203.101.127.117]:1429 "EHLO eris.xware.cx") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:27:01 +1100 Received: (from chris@localhost) by eris.xware.cx (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f146RId12056; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:27:18 +1100 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:27:18 +1100 From: Crossfire To: Terry Collins Cc: cbnsw , Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sparc Hardware Update Message-ID: <20010204172718.A21029@eris.xware.cx> References: <3A7CC35E.1892BD8B@woa.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A7CC35E.1892BD8B@woa.com.au>; from terryc@woa.com.au on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 01:50:06PM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Terry Collins was once rumoured to have said: > Sent to Slug and Computerbank NSW due to interest from both lists. > > I've started a WWW page at http://www.woa.com.au/terryc/hardware/sparc/ > to provide a convenient list of URLs for people wanting further > information/ideas/how-tos, etc. Thanks to Rachael and Crossfire for > their information and contributions. > > Basically there were four Sparc 10s. Three have been taken and only > one is left (50Mhz cpu, 32Mb ram, no hard disk at present - we might > have a hard disk for it when I get Solaris 8 installed). > > Can anyone tell me how the Sparc 10 knows about its boot hard disk? i.e. > does it just boot off a scsi at id0 or do you have to do something like > enter hard disk parameters into the nvram. There are no hard disk parameters to be entered - this is all SCSI - and SCSI is smarter than that. However, due to Sun weirdness the default disk is on SCSI ID2, not ID0 - so just be warey. The default boot device and arguments is set in the boot-device environment in the PROM. Also do a google search for the Sun hardware FAQ, which has some helpful pointers with modern PROMs and hardware configurations. Sun PROMS are very helpful too in the sense their inbuilt help isn't complete crap. :) > Still available are the IPX (40Mb + floppy), IPC (8Mb + floppy), > Classic (48Mb - no floppy) and LX (32Mb + floppy). Hard disk sizes > are unknown at this stage My personal experience is that Classics and LXs are very responsive compared to the IPX and IPC - I've had a Sparc Classic running RH6.0 in the past as it quite a usuable self-hosting workstation. As for the LX? we had one at JCSMR when I worked there which now runs http://cbis.anu.edu.au/ on OpenBSD 2.7. IPCs and IPXs would make great colour XTerminals :) > The first two of these systems will be sold with keyboard, mouse and > cables, the third will get a keyboard and the four none of these. > Apparently, if they do not detect a keyboard, they will boot headless > automatically to the serial port. We didn't get around to confirming > this on the day. This is true for the PROMs. No guarntees that any OS other than Solaris will obey it. I'm pretty sure that OpenBSD and NetBSD will though - not sure about Linux. > Unfortunately, none of the Solaris or Indy software arrived, so we > were not able to test install any of the systems, nor were we able > to boot onto a sparc linux floppy either. I should be availible next weekend and I can tow along my Solaris discs if so desired - as long as its moderately accessible by rail. -- --==============================================-- Crossfire | This email was brought to you xfire@xware.cx | on 100% Recycled Electrons --==============================================-- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 4 18:00:04 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:59:46 +1100 Received: from P3X797.doc.net.au ([203.35.207.67]:42886 "EHLO milliways.doc.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:59:28 +1100 Received: (from scott@localhost) by milliways.doc.net.au (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA05874; Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:57:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:57:16 +1100 From: Scott Howard To: Crossfire Cc: Terry Collins , cbnsw , Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sparc Hardware Update Message-ID: <20010204175716.C5781@milliways.doc.net.au> References: <3A7CC35E.1892BD8B@woa.com.au> <20010204172718.A21029@eris.xware.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010204172718.A21029@eris.xware.cx>; from xfire@xware.cx on Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:27:18PM +1100 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, Feb 04, 2001 at 05:27:18PM +1100, Crossfire wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how the Sparc 10 knows about its boot hard disk? i.e. > > does it just boot off a scsi at id0 or do you have to do something like > > enter hard disk parameters into the nvram. > > However, due to Sun weirdness the default disk is on SCSI ID2, not ID0 > - so just be warey. The default boot device and arguments is set in > the boot-device environment in the PROM. >From memory the default boot disk on an SS10 is ID 3, and the two internal disks are usually ID 1 and 3. However, as the SS10's use SCSI-2 connectors and not SCA list the SS4/5/20/etc, you can set the disks to whatever you wait. If you want to boot off another target you just need to specify it, either with something like "boot disk0" to boot of ID 0, "boot cdrom", "boot net", "boot tape" etc, or even something like giving it a full path to the device (probe-scsi to get the path). You can make the new device permanent using boot-device prom variable - "setenv boot-device disk0" > > Still available are the IPX (40Mb + floppy), IPC (8Mb + floppy), > > Classic (48Mb - no floppy) and LX (32Mb + floppy). Hard disk sizes > > are unknown at this stage > > My personal experience is that Classics and LXs are very responsive > compared to the IPX and IPC - I've had a Sparc Classic running RH6.0 > in the past as it quite a usuable self-hosting workstation. As for > the LX? we had one at JCSMR when I worked there which now runs > http://cbis.anu.edu.au/ on OpenBSD 2.7. Classics, LX and IPX are all similar spec and make slow, but OK machines for playing with. The IPC is fairly slow (about half the speed of the Classic). > IPCs and IPXs would make great colour XTerminals :) The only real problem is that at most you're probably going to have an 8-bit video card in them (the IPCs are actually mono on-board, but will happily take a CGsix or similar card. IPX is CGsix, Classic CGthree) As for what software to run on them, there's a few options... XKernel is a hacked up SunOS 4.1.x kernel/X server which basically just turns the machine in an X server. It's made to be booted over the network from another machine (historically a Sun, but I'm sure you could talk a Linux box into doing it), and thus needs no local hard disk. It's reasonably fast, but unfortunately is a fairly old version of X. Another option is something I've been setting up of late. It's basically the same thing as XKernel, but based on Linux and X11R6.4. Boots over the network so again needs no local disk, and is little more than an X server. It's still a work in progress, but if anyones interested in playing with it, let me know. It needs a little more memory than XKernel, but it has the advantage of using a later version of X. > > The first two of these systems will be sold with keyboard, mouse and > > cables, the third will get a keyboard and the four none of these. > > Apparently, if they do not detect a keyboard, they will boot headless > > automatically to the serial port. We didn't get around to confirming > > this on the day. > > This is true for the PROMs. No guarntees that any OS other than > Solaris will obey it. I'm pretty sure that OpenBSD and NetBSD will > though - not sure about Linux. I'd be fairly confident any OS will. Linux definitely does. It's fairly uncommon to see a Sun server with a monitor attached... If anyone's interested in what a higher-end Sparc machine can actually do, I recently installed RedHat 6.2 on an E3500 with 4x400Mhz Ultrasparc-II's and 4Gb of memory. Compiled a fairly standard Linux kernel in 97 seconds! I'm going to try and install Linux on a SunBlade-1000 (single 750Mhz Ultrasparc-III) in the next few days too... Scott. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 18:48:22 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:48:15 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2377 "EHLO gw_iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:47:49 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@mail.blue.net.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw_iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f157lpC13440 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:47:52 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.17]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26508 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:47:27 +1100 Message-ID: <3A7E5954.FEB692CA@blue.net.au> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:42:12 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: surfless@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Department of Fair Trading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, A great job by Terry on the weekend and well, thanks Terry. I visited the Deaprtment of Fair Trading and have all the information about proceduring for Incorporation of Computerbank nsw. If David K. could contact me, please. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 19:17:11 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:17:02 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63626 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:16:37 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA31319; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 19:17:27 +1100 Message-ID: <3A7E52F4.ECA20055@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 18:15:00 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: surfless@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Department of Fair Trading References: <3A7E5954.FEB692CA@blue.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi folks, > > A great job by Terry on the weekend and well, thanks Terry. Naah, it got me out of mowing the lawn {:-). First person to mention "the lawn" to SWMBO gets their legs broken {:-). > > I visited the Deaprtment of Fair Trading and have all the information > about proceduring for Incorporation of Computerbank nsw. Great. I'd like to put in a plug for finding some premises, any premises where we could store gear, have workshops, etc. I know it will be hard and probably an ongoing activity, but I wonder if anyone knows of a business that has part of a warehouse/factory/office vacant? Even a vacant shopfront that is not currently being rented and looks like it will be vacant for a while is worth considering. A good vacumn out, sweep up and lick of white paint (I have most of a 20 litre drum doing zilch) would make any place usable. I can easily loan some power cords and knock up a few work tables, etc when we get such a place. And I'm prepared to write letters and visit places if the committee agrees/wants. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 6 00:15:17 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:14:58 +1100 Received: from sdcax55-060.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.216.60]:1126 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:14:42 +1100 Received: (qmail 7463 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2001 13:14:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 5 Feb 2001 13:14:32 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "Sydney Linux Users Group" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:13:41 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Updated Sparc Hardware list from ComputerBank CC: "ComputerBank-NSW" , "SLUG Announce" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.18 i586) Message-Id:<20010205131452Z158648-18794+1528@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, Want to break of of the Lintel (wintel) monopoly? Well here is your chance! ComputerBank-NSW currently has Sun boxen and a SGI workstation that need good homes. Last Saturday (3rd Feb) we held a workshop in Terry's garage to sort through the equipment ... even tried a Linux install. The list below is has been updated to include any information that we found on Saturday. We also decided to split the packages of monitor and computer so you can now just buy the monitor or vice versa. The hardware will be distributed to people prepared to pay that suggested value of the equipment and the merit of the bit. If you don't think the hardware is worth the suggested value or you cannot afford it, make an offer, all bids will be considered on their merit. There will be a MacLUG meeting on Saturday 17th February where we will endeavour to help you install Linux/BSD(?)/Solaris on your new boxes. All payments on approved bids must be received on or before this day, otherwise the hardware may be redistributed. Any hardware that has been paid for must be removed picked in person or by courier before the 24th, otherwise the item may even become garden furniture. Value $275 1 Sparc 10 (w/ 20" monitor, 32M RAM, hard disk ???) $125 1 Sparc Classic 48Mb (keyboard and mouse, NO monitor) $125 1 Sparc LX 32M RAM (keyboard and mouse, NO monitor) includes ISDN port also twisted pair network port $75 1 Sparc IPC 8Mb (keyboard, NO mouse & NO monitor) AUI networking port (no BNC or TP) $75 1 Sparc IPX 40Mb (NO keyboard, NO mouse & NO monitor) AUI networking port (no BNC or TP) Spare Parts Material $75 1 Sparc 2 (no memory, no keyboard & no monitor) $75 1 Sparc 1+ $50 1 14" NEC (model no.) monitor $150 1 17" NEC (model no.) monitor $50 2 half-height external disk boxes (various sizes) high-density SCSI ports $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (various sizes) low-density SCSI ports Auction (to highest bid) $150+ 1 Indy (SGI) (w/ 17" monitor) Firstly regarding all this equipment; v1.1 ***************************************************************** Guarantee: There Is None: Lets make this very clear up front. None of this equipment comes with a guarantee. ComputerBank have received the items "as is" so we cannot and will not, service it, support it or anything else it. We will tell you the little we know about the equipment. You make up your own mind. Just to prove we are not heartless bastards. If the hardware is "seriously broken" and non operational from the start, then if you return the item (at your expense) and can demonstrate the problem, we of course will refund the money you gave to ComputerBank for the equipment only. Specifically excluded from this refund are the units hard disks, as these can be damaged in transport or by many other causes and as such we can not take responsibility for their failure. But there will no refunds of any postage in any situation. Refunds will not be given in any other circumstances. ***************************************************************** For further details contact Terry Collins or myself, at: "Mark Willis" "Terry Collins" Regards Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 6 13:17:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:16:46 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63965 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:16:26 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01546; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:17:12 +1100 Message-ID: <3A7F4FFD.2EEF613@woa.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:14:38 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: catgeek@cat.org.au, cbnsw Subject: FoE Computers to Bangladesh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Does have contact with Keith from FoE who is currently organising a shipment of computers to Bangladesh? He apparently is on this list. He was ringing from a mobile, but we were cut off. Keith Basically, the six full height SCSI hard disk are yours, if you want them. They are in external cases if you want them as well, or they can be removed. I also have two 600Mb SCSI hard disks - full height, 5" if you want those. I'm happy to courier the stuff in if you like, or if you want to come down that is fine. Do you want some thin co-ax networking cards (isa) and stuff (cables, bnc hub, etc)? Phone me on (02) 4627 2186 when your in the clear. I expect to be here all day/evening. For someone on the weekend who was wondering about the TAD store at P&O - this is obviously what it was for. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 6 13:19:36 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:19:19 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63967 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:19:05 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01558; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:19:56 +1100 Message-ID: <3A7F50A1.BBED050E@woa.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 12:17:21 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sydney Linux Users Group , ComputerBank-NSW CC: Mark Willis Subject: Re: Updated Sparc HW - HD's to Bangladesh References: <200102051315.AAA32229@eagle.woa.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Mark Willis wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Want to break of of the Lintel (wintel) monopoly? Well here is your > chance! ComputerBank-NSW currently has Sun boxen and a SGI > workstation that need good homes. .......snip... > $50 2 half-height external disk boxes (various sizes) > high-density SCSI ports > $50 6 full-height external disk boxes (various sizes) > low-density SCSI ports The six full height external hard disk are now gone. I was approached and I've donated them to a FoE computer shipment to Bangladesh. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 9 10:02:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:02:13 +1100 Received: from babel.apana.org.au ([202.12.88.4]:1034 "EHLO babel.apana.org.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:01:57 +1100 Received: by babel.apana.org.au (Linux Smail3.2.0.102 #2) id m14Qz5l-005iLJC; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:59:05 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:59:05 +1100 From: johna@babel.apana.org.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Victoria changes Message-ID: <20010209085905.A1280@babel.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox At the last meeting, I seem to recall we thought we would go with the idea of affiliation with the Victorian association. According to Craig, he feels we could only really pass the computers onto end users after Computerbank Victoria has had a meeting to formally change its articles of association to include affiliate interstate groups. This seems like the next important thing to get Computerbank Vic to do. Cheers, -- John August cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 9 12:09:13 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:08:55 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61709 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:08:45 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13623; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:10:01 +1100 Message-ID: <3A8334A2.4F1C2D5F@woa.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:06:58 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: johna@babel.apana.org.au Subject: Re: Victoria changes References: <20010209085905.A1280@babel.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox johna@babel.apana.org.au wrote: > > At the last meeting, I seem to recall we thought we would go with the > idea of affiliation with the Victorian association. > > According to Craig, he feels we could only really pass the computers > onto end users after Computerbank Victoria has had a meeting to > formally change its articles of association to include affiliate > interstate groups. Discussion on Saturday was along the lines of; These computers are going to bring in >$1,000. That is enough to pay for public liability insurance (~$500pa+) and incorporation costs (~$500pa-). So lets do it. Then we can get kicking in our own time. > > This seems like the next important thing to get Computerbank Vic to do. > The query here is how fast is this going to happen? When it does, CBNSW can still go under the banner of CB Australia, which would hold an Australia wide insurance policy, thus saying us $500+pa. My support is for doing it now, so we can get moving now. Otherwise, everything goes back onto the shelf for how long? I remember AUUG and Slug, where Slug waited 2+ years for AUUG Chapters to be created. Personally, it doesn't bother me. If CBNSW is not incorporated and covered by public liability coverage (own or CBAus), then I do nothing. A few extra years is not going to bother me as I have other interests. Just my 2c. I'm leaving it up to the younger/keener people to decide. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 12 13:59:53 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:59:36 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62577 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:59:32 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23299 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:01:05 +1100 Message-ID: <3A87430D.E053BAFE@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:57:33 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: Playing with Linux on Sparc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Computer Bankers {:-) I've posted this to the CB-NSW list as it will give someo of you another opportunity to look at the Sparc stuff and to have a good play with it. ....................................................... The next meeting of Macarthur Linux Users Group (MacLUG) will be on Saturday 17th February from 10am to whenever. It is in Campbelltown - RSVP for the address. MacLUG meetings are a day event, relaxed, hands on, come and go when you want to, etc. The idea is to bring your box and goodies for help and fiddles, etc. Each meeting has a theme/topic and the theme for the February meeting is "Linux on Sparcs". Yes, I have some Sun Sparc hardware on hand, so if you ever wondered how those old sparc stuff runs Linux, this is your chance to find out. Activites associated with the theme take priority, but there isn't a program, there are no planned talks, there is a list of things we might do, can do, etc. If you want to come and chat - fine, if you want to install/tune up your box - fine, if you want to hardware hack - fine, etc. There will be power, internet link (28.8K), webcam coverage, phone lines, workshop, and various, aged linux distros (not the latest unfortunately), etc. If the weather is nice, it will be outside under a tarp. If weather is poor, we'll crowd the workshop. Please bring a chair if you have it and if is easy to do (we had enough table top space last time). RSVP to me (terryc@woa.com.au) Cost $3 members, $5 non-members, covers costs. (Mac LUG is a sub group of SLUG, so membership of MacLUG is by being a member of SLUG). RSVP to me if you want some snags-onion-slaw for lunch or vego option (included in $), or BYO (bbq provided). Endless tea and coffee throughout the day. If you stay for dinner, there is an chinese just up the road. The local shopping centre is 2 blocks away with a takeaway, cakes shop, small supermarket and the chinese. If you want to come by public transport, i.e train, I will collect from and return you to Lumeah station (the one before Campbelltown). Let me know you are coming this way and ring from the station/newsagent on arrival. Future meetings will be on the third Saturday of each month. I'm open to suggestion on future themes. For March, I'm considering "Building Linux Firewalls on Minimal Systems". -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 15 01:35:25 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:35:09 +1100 Received: from sdcax52-233.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.206.233]:1193 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:35:02 +1100 Received: (qmail 12752 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2001 14:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 14 Feb 2001 14:34:50 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "Sydney Linux Users Group" , Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 01:23:51 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII CC: "ComputerBank-NSW" Subject: Getting the Sun hardware out the door! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.0 i686) Message-Id:<20010214143503Z158963-18794+2153@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, This is the final announcement before the MacLUG meeting this Saturday at Terry's place in Campbelltown. I must emphasize that everything must "go" before the end of the week or be picked up on the day. For all I know any of the hardware could end up going for _$5_each_, so make sure you put a bid in. Sparc Classic The Sparc Classic would make a good desktop system running X Windows. In addition the Classic is significantly cheaper than the Sparc10s and we won't force you to buy the monitor so you can use your own, making it even cheaper still. (Sun to PC converter incl.) Value: $125 1 Sparc Classic 48Mb (keyboard and mouse, NO monitor) NEC Monitors (nice monitors nuff said ;-) Value: $150 17" NEC 5FG monitor | these both have PC $50 14" NEC 4FG monitor | not Sun connectors The Sun IPC is still available, whilst I would not recommend running X Windows on this system, it would make acceptable small server. Value: $75 Sparc IPC 8Mb (1 keyboard, NO mouse & NO monitor) AUI networking port (no BNC or TP) External Hard Disk Boxes There are two external hard disk boxes with high-density SCSI ports that have either a 100 or 400 Mb disk in them. As all the Sun Boxes have high density connectors these would probably be the first choice for people who want to add an additional hard disk to their system. Value: $50 2 half-height external disk boxes The six external full height boxes with low-density SCSI ports and with hard disks of various sizes fitted, have not gone yet, and unless the guys from FoE can get organized before the weekend then these will have to be given out to the highest bidders. As I have already said "For all I know any of the above hardware could end up going for $5 each". But you must able to claim and or pay for your hardware by the end of the week either by turning up on Saturday or include the cost of having the hardware couriered/posted to you. For further details contact Terry Collins or myself, at: "Mark Willis" "Terry Collins" Regards Mark cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 12:06:50 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:06:33 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62199 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:06:23 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01739 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:09:08 +1100 Message-ID: <3A984BD5.60FE056D@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:03:33 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Just to bring people up to speed on a couple of things Jon Biddell has offered a donation of some hw, described as: >I think they're mostly 486/dx2-66's, 16Mb, 500-ish h/d's - I have a few >monitors, keyboards, etc... Stuff left over from the last upgrade at work. I understand that the CB standard is minimum pentium, but I've said I will take them on Computer Banks behalf as I have a couple of individuals I can give them to (one pensioner and one unemployed > 40). If anyone else has a similar use, please advise me and I will let me know when Jon delivers. I have a number of WFWG packages that will run okay on these boxes. Perhaps another workshop day in the offering if a few people are interested. Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these giveaways if anyone has any spare. Monitors: these are junk and about to be tossed (new time I pass Smithfield Recyclers whenever that is) So, if you have any use for these, please let me know and they are yours 4 - CGA/EGA- parts? -unknown condition - been in weather 9 - NEC Multisync One - Mono, unknown condition 3 - NEC H???? - colour VGA- okay for server - lousy focus built in. If anyone knows of someone who is into repairing monitors very economically, I have another five that require attention (say $50 max each to fix seems okay) Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We should now have a nice little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. Who is the treasurer? Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion that whenever CB sells surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, or else scraps the stuff. The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal fee ($1-$5+) is to CB volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff brings all sorts of cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste your time. There are professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre kickers, etc) in all fields. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 14:07:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:07:29 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:2466 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:07:06 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18250; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:06:16 +1100 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:06:15 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Terry Collins cc: cbnsw Subject: Re: A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW. In-Reply-To: <3A984BD5.60FE056D@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these giveaways if anyone has any > spare. I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly 14.4 but also a couple of 28.8. As far as I know they all have power supplies (somewhere?) but maybe not cables. All free to good use. I've kept them cos it's seems a waste to toss them. > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We should now have a nice > little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. > > Who is the treasurer? Who is anyone? I think we all have good intentions, but it would be nice to be a tad more formal. I have a bucket of donated monitors and boxen sitting in my basement that are valuable, but gathering dust. The monitors are especially useful and I would love to buy one for myself right now. There was a very brief discussion of workshopping these machines to get them loaded with usable software. I am more than happy to host this operation, but need notice, volunteers and other organisational matters dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 people working on as many machines simultaneously, net access, even coffee etc. I'm located in Surry Hills. > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion that whenever CB sells > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, or else scraps the stuff. > The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal fee ($1-$5+) is to CB > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff brings all sorts of > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste your time. There are > professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre kickers, etc) in all fields. Couldn't agree more. If you offer something for nothing, people seem to assume your time is worth nothing too. David McQuire. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 26 12:53:38 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:53:21 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62751 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:53:01 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04684 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:55:51 +1100 Message-ID: <3A99A83E.1868DC7@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 11:50:06 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: RH6.2 and Debian 2.2a for Sparc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Just to let people know and acknowledge that EverythingLinux (http://www.everythinglinux.com.au) has donated a copy of RH6.2 for Sparc and Debian 2.2a for Sparc to Computerbank NSW. So next time you are talking to Anthony or Laura, please thank them for this. These are available for loan. Please email. Cost is return postage. I've loaded RH6.2 onto the Classic (very slow X with 96Mb) and everything (hw) seems to function okay. Only problem was to find that the Sun cable with the 5FGp monitor really is an Apple cable and that Red & Blue wires are crossed, so RH boots with a Blue Hat and the Tux look decidedly off colour. A quick check with the monitor off my Sparc10 confirmed that this was the problem. Hmm, might be okay for looking a IR scans, but not the bush photography on my WWW pages. I haven't tried the Debian CDs yet. Perhaps whoever first borrows these might like to write a WWW on how they did it. My experience with Debian installs on intell is that they don't. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 26 15:02:31 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:02:14 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2440 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:01:55 +1100 Received: (qmail 10639 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2001 04:01:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010226040140.10638.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:01:40 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:01:40 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW. To: David , Terry Collins Cc: cbnsw In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th the weekend for the working bee. Right now I'll say Saturday the 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he has kindly said we can have it at his place. 5 more volunteers, please get in touch with myself and / or David. lets aim at makiing the placements we have talked about for a while on the following weekend and thereby drumming up publicity. John Coote --- David wrote: > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these > giveaways if anyone has any > > spare. > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly 14.4 but > also a couple of 28.8. > As far as I know they all have power supplies > (somewhere?) but maybe not > cables. All free to good use. I've kept them cos > it's seems a waste to > toss them. > > > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We should > now have a nice > > little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. > > > > Who is the treasurer? > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good intentions, > but it would be nice > to be a tad more formal. > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and boxen > sitting in my basement > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > > The monitors are especially useful and I would love > to buy one for myself > right now. > > There was a very brief discussion of workshopping > these machines to get > them loaded with usable software. I am more than > happy to host this > operation, but need notice, volunteers and other > organisational matters > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 people > working on as many > machines simultaneously, net access, even coffee > etc. I'm located in Surry > Hills. > > > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion that > whenever CB sells > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, or > else scraps the stuff. > > The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal fee > ($1-$5+) is to CB > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff brings > all sorts of > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste > your time. There are > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre > kickers, etc) in all fields. > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer something for > nothing, people seem to > assume your time is worth nothing too. > > David McQuire. > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 26 19:55:30 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:55:12 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:2814 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:55:02 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26065; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:54:42 +1100 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:54:42 +1100 (EST) From: David To: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= cc: Terry Collins , cbnsw Subject: Re: A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW. In-Reply-To: <20010226040140.10638.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Damn.... not that weekend ! My son is getting married. I think that gets priority :-) On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > Dear All > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th the weekend > for the working bee. Right now I'll say Saturday the > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he has kindly > said we can have it at his place. 5 more volunteers, > please get in touch with myself and / or David. > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have talked > about for a while on the following weekend and thereby > drumming up publicity. > > John Coote > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these > > giveaways if anyone has any > > > spare. > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly 14.4 but > > also a couple of 28.8. > > As far as I know they all have power supplies > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept them cos > > it's seems a waste to > > toss them. > > > > > > > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We should > > now have a nice > > > little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. > > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good intentions, > > but it would be nice > > to be a tad more formal. > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and boxen > > sitting in my basement > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I would love > > to buy one for myself > > right now. > > > > There was a very brief discussion of workshopping > > these machines to get > > them loaded with usable software. I am more than > > happy to host this > > operation, but need notice, volunteers and other > > organisational matters > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 people > > working on as many > > machines simultaneously, net access, even coffee > > etc. I'm located in Surry > > Hills. > > > > > > > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion that > > whenever CB sells > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, or > > else scraps the stuff. > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal fee > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff brings > > all sorts of > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste > > your time. There are > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer something for > > nothing, people seem to > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > > > > David McQuire. > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 08:37:18 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:37:10 +1100 Received: from web2901.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.44]:4910 "HELO web2901.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:36:55 +1100 Received: (qmail 6792 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Feb 2001 21:36:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20010226213646.6791.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2901.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:36:46 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:36:46 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All How about March 24th?? John Coote --- David wrote: > > Damn.... not that weekend ! > > My son is getting married. I think that gets > priority :-) > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > > > Dear All > > > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th the > weekend > > for the working bee. Right now I'll say Saturday > the > > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he has > kindly > > said we can have it at his place. 5 more > volunteers, > > please get in touch with myself and / or David. > > > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have talked > > about for a while on the following weekend and > thereby > > drumming up publicity. > > > > John Coote > > > > > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these > > > giveaways if anyone has any > > > > spare. > > > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly 14.4 > but > > > also a couple of 28.8. > > > As far as I know they all have power supplies > > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept them cos > > > it's seems a waste to > > > toss them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We > should > > > now have a nice > > > > little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. > > > > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > > > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good > intentions, > > > but it would be nice > > > to be a tad more formal. > > > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and boxen > > > sitting in my basement > > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > > > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I would > love > > > to buy one for myself > > > right now. > > > > > > There was a very brief discussion of > workshopping > > > these machines to get > > > them loaded with usable software. I am more than > > > happy to host this > > > operation, but need notice, volunteers and other > > > organisational matters > > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 people > > > working on as many > > > machines simultaneously, net access, even coffee > > > etc. I'm located in Surry > > > Hills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion > that > > > whenever CB sells > > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, > or > > > else scraps the stuff. > > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal > fee > > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff > brings > > > all sorts of > > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste > > > your time. There are > > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre > > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > > > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer something for > > > nothing, people seem to > > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > > > > > > David McQuire. > > > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 14:22:49 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:22:41 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:2941 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:22:29 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30694; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:21:29 +1100 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:21:29 +1100 (EST) From: David To: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) In-Reply-To: <20010226213646.6791.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox 24th is fine by me.. how long ? afternoon? start midday maybe? David On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > Dear All > > How about March 24th?? > > John Coote > > > --- David wrote: > > > Damn.... not that weekend ! > > > > My son is getting married. I think that gets > > priority :-) > > > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th the > > weekend > > > for the working bee. Right now I'll say Saturday > > the > > > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he has > > kindly > > > said we can have it at his place. 5 more > > volunteers, > > > please get in touch with myself and / or David. > > > > > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have talked > > > about for a while on the following weekend and > > thereby > > > drumming up publicity. > > > > > > John Coote > > > > > > > > > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these > > > > giveaways if anyone has any > > > > > spare. > > > > > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly 14.4 > > but > > > > also a couple of 28.8. > > > > As far as I know they all have power supplies > > > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > > > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept them cos > > > > it's seems a waste to > > > > toss them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We > > should > > > > now have a nice > > > > > little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. > > > > > > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > > > > > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good > > intentions, > > > > but it would be nice > > > > to be a tad more formal. > > > > > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and boxen > > > > sitting in my basement > > > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > > > > > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I would > > love > > > > to buy one for myself > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > There was a very brief discussion of > > workshopping > > > > these machines to get > > > > them loaded with usable software. I am more than > > > > happy to host this > > > > operation, but need notice, volunteers and other > > > > organisational matters > > > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 people > > > > working on as many > > > > machines simultaneously, net access, even coffee > > > > etc. I'm located in Surry > > > > Hills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion > > that > > > > whenever CB sells > > > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, > > or > > > > else scraps the stuff. > > > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal > > fee > > > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > > > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff > > brings > > > > all sorts of > > > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste > > > > your time. There are > > > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre > > > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > > > > > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer something for > > > > nothing, people seem to > > > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > > > > > > > > David McQuire. > > > > > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 16:59:10 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:58:52 +1100 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:60487 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:58:48 +1100 Received: from OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (ocs1.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.6.13]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1R5wi427102; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:58:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from OCS1/SpoolDir by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 27 Feb 01 16:59:05 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by OCS1 (Mercury 1.44); 27 Feb 01 16:58:54 +1000 Received: from mail.com (137.111.11.65) by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 27 Feb 01 16:58:53 +1000 Message-ID: <3A9B421D.5C5DC9BE@mail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:58:53 +1100 From: nik lam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Gday all, Sat March 24 should be ok for me. Ive been playing with a few apps on my pentium100 (debian 2.2r2) for the last few days. For "office" applications, ive only tried abiword and gnumeric. Abiword seemed alright, but i havent tried anything fancy yet. I managed to crash gnumeric without even entering any data. Still have to do a bit of playing. For web browsing, ive tried netscape communicator 4.76 & mozilla m18. netscape crashed a bit. Once it acutally killed the whole OS off - x froze, keyboard stopped responding and i had to hit reset. Ive been using Mozilla M18 for a bit longer and while it seems to crash heaps - it has never brought the whole system down. I dont know which is a bigger problem - the frustrating sluggishness of mozilla or the occassional system-wide effects of netscape. I was thinking about trying something like galeon or even konquerer as the browser, but galeon is only alpha at the moment and if we are going with konquerer we might as well do the kde thing. I dont know how well debian and k coexist - anyone?? At any rate, for basic setups, at least with the desktop machines, i think we are quite ready to deliver. In terms of stability, whatever we give them its not going to be any worse than a windows system.... Not so sure about the laptops - never done debian on a laptop ;-).... Craig, do we have cmos access for all the bp laptops yet? Did you ever manage to sort out that hitch with the crt monitor/docking bay for the one you had mandrake on? nik cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Feb 28 11:24:15 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:23:57 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2803 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 11:23:38 +1100 Received: (qmail 15739 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2001 00:23:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20010228002329.15738.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:23:29 PST Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All 24th Midday it is Volunteers so far David John Nik We could really use at least 3 more Glen / Craig Can you contact Cellblock / Crown Street to organise a date when we can do a handover of the goods. Nik Cellblock wanted to do Graphics stuff, GIMP I presume? All I received an email today from a Peter Vincent Careers and employment writer Sydney Morning Herald who is researching an article about 'ways to beat the digital divide'. This guy, and others in the media will be the way for us to get publicity about what we're doing and find outlets for all the PCs that we're accumulating. Its happening slowly, but it is happening. Regards John Coote --- David wrote: > > 24th is fine by me.. how long ? afternoon? start > midday maybe? > > David > > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote wrote: > > > Dear All > > > > How about March 24th?? > > > > John Coote > > > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > Damn.... not that weekend ! > > > > > > My son is getting married. I think that gets > > > priority :-) > > > > > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th the > > > weekend > > > > for the working bee. Right now I'll say > Saturday > > > the > > > > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he has > > > kindly > > > > said we can have it at his place. 5 more > > > volunteers, > > > > please get in touch with myself and / or > David. > > > > > > > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have > talked > > > > about for a while on the following weekend and > > > thereby > > > > drumming up publicity. > > > > > > > > John Coote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to > these > > > > > giveaways if anyone has any > > > > > > spare. > > > > > > > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly > 14.4 > > > but > > > > > also a couple of 28.8. > > > > > As far as I know they all have power > supplies > > > > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > > > > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept them > cos > > > > > it's seems a waste to > > > > > toss them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. > We > > > should > > > > > now have a nice > > > > > > little kitty to become > incorporated/whatever. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > > > > > > > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good > > > intentions, > > > > > but it would be nice > > > > > to be a tad more formal. > > > > > > > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and > boxen > > > > > sitting in my basement > > > > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > > > > > > > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I > would > > > love > > > > > to buy one for myself > > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > > > There was a very brief discussion of > > > workshopping > > > > > these machines to get > > > > > them loaded with usable software. I am more > than > > > > > happy to host this > > > > > operation, but need notice, volunteers and > other > > > > > organisational matters > > > > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 > people > > > > > working on as many > > > > > machines simultaneously, net access, even > coffee > > > > > etc. I'm located in Surry > > > > > Hills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion > > > that > > > > > whenever CB sells > > > > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable > price, > > > or > > > > > else scraps the stuff. > > > > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at > nominal > > > fee > > > > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > > > > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff > > > brings > > > > > all sorts of > > > > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just > waste > > > > > your time. There are > > > > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, > tyre > > > > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > > > > > > > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer something > for > > > > > nothing, people seem to > > > > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > > > > > > > > > > David McQuire. > > > > > > > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Feb 28 15:32:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:31:47 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2721 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:31:36 +1100 Received: (qmail 27101 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2001 04:31:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010228043130.27100.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:31:30 PST Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) To: Hans Olminkhof , CB NSW Cc: CB NSW In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hans It'll be good to see you there FYI, the Campeltown thing is MacLUG / SLUG NOT Computerbank, theyre not the same thing as us and we don't have the same goals, even though there is some common memebers. David's place is in Surry Hills John Coote --- Hans Olminkhof wrote: > Hi John, > > I am available for the working bee but I know little > or nothing about > Linux. I'm into hardware. > > I assume it is in Surrey Hills this time rather than > Campbelltown. The > latter is definitely out of my range. > > Hans > > > Original message from: John Coote > > > > >Dear All > > > >24th Midday it is > > > >Volunteers so far > >David > >John > >Nik > > > >We could really use at least 3 more > > > >Glen / Craig > >Can you contact Cellblock / Crown Street to > organise a > >date when we can do a handover of the goods. > > > >Nik > >Cellblock wanted to do Graphics stuff, GIMP I > presume? > > > >All > >I received an email today from a > >Peter Vincent > >Careers and employment writer > >Sydney Morning Herald > >who is researching an article about 'ways to beat > the > >digital divide'. This guy, and others in the media > >will be the way for us to get publicity about what > >we're doing and find outlets for all the PCs that > >we're accumulating. > > > >Its happening slowly, but it is happening. > > > >Regards > >John Coote > > > > > > > > > > > >--- David wrote: > > >> 24th is fine by me.. how long ? afternoon? start > >> midday maybe? > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > wrote: > >> > >> > Dear All > >> > > >> > How about March 24th?? > >> > > >> > John Coote > >> > > >> > > >> > --- David wrote: > > >> > > Damn.... not that weekend ! > >> > > > >> > > My son is getting married. I think that gets > >> > > priority :-) > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Dear All > >> > > > > >> > > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th > the > >> > > weekend > >> > > > for the working bee. Right now I'll say > >> Saturday > >> > > the > >> > > > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he > has > >> > > kindly > >> > > > said we can have it at his place. 5 more > >> > > volunteers, > >> > > > please get in touch with myself and / or > >> David. > >> > > > > >> > > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have > >> talked > >> > > > about for a while on the following weekend > and > >> > > thereby > >> > > > drumming up publicity. > >> > > > > >> > > > John Coote > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > --- David wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to > >> these > >> > > > > giveaways if anyone has any > >> > > > > > spare. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly > >> 14.4 > >> > > but > >> > > > > also a couple of 28.8. > >> > > > > As far as I know they all have power > >> supplies > >> > > > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > >> > > > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept > them > >> cos > >> > > > > it's seems a waste to > >> > > > > toss them. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all > gone. > >> We > >> > > should > >> > > > > now have a nice > >> > > > > > little kitty to become > >> incorporated/whatever. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good > >> > > intentions, > >> > > > > but it would be nice > >> > > > > to be a tad more formal. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and > >> boxen > >> > > > > sitting in my basement > >> > > > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I > >> would > >> > > love > >> > > > > to buy one for myself > >> > > > > right now. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > There was a very brief discussion of > >> > > workshopping > >> > > > > these machines to get > >> > > > > them loaded with usable software. I am > more > >> than > >> > > > > happy to host this > >> > > > > operation, but need notice, volunteers > and > >> other > >> > > > > organisational matters > >> > > > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 > >> people > >> > > > > working on as many > >> > > > > machines simultaneously, net access, even > >> coffee > >> > > > > etc. I'm located in Surry > >> > > > > Hills. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a > suggestion > >> > > that > >> > > > > whenever CB sells > >> > > > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable > >> price, > >> > > or > >> > > > > else scraps the stuff. > >> > > > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at > >> nominal > >> > > fee > >> > > > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > >> > > > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap > stuff > >> > > brings > >> > > > > all sorts of > >> > > > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who > just > >> waste > >> > > > > your time. There are > >> > > > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, > >> tyre > >> > > > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer > something > >> for > >> > > > > nothing, people seem to > >> > > > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > David McQuire. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > > > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! > Mail. > >> > >> > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > >> > > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your free Australian email account at > http://www.start.com.au > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Feb 28 15:32:14 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:32:08 +1100 Received: from web2903.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.46]:2722 "HELO web2903.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:31:44 +1100 Received: (qmail 27101 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2001 04:31:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20010228043130.27100.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2903.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:31:30 PST Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:31:30 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) To: Hans Olminkhof , CB NSW Cc: CB NSW In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hans It'll be good to see you there FYI, the Campeltown thing is MacLUG / SLUG NOT Computerbank, theyre not the same thing as us and we don't have the same goals, even though there is some common memebers. David's place is in Surry Hills John Coote --- Hans Olminkhof wrote: > Hi John, > > I am available for the working bee but I know little > or nothing about > Linux. I'm into hardware. > > I assume it is in Surrey Hills this time rather than > Campbelltown. The > latter is definitely out of my range. > > Hans > > > Original message from: John Coote > > > > >Dear All > > > >24th Midday it is > > > >Volunteers so far > >David > >John > >Nik > > > >We could really use at least 3 more > > > >Glen / Craig > >Can you contact Cellblock / Crown Street to > organise a > >date when we can do a handover of the goods. > > > >Nik > >Cellblock wanted to do Graphics stuff, GIMP I > presume? > > > >All > >I received an email today from a > >Peter Vincent > >Careers and employment writer > >Sydney Morning Herald > >who is researching an article about 'ways to beat > the > >digital divide'. This guy, and others in the media > >will be the way for us to get publicity about what > >we're doing and find outlets for all the PCs that > >we're accumulating. > > > >Its happening slowly, but it is happening. > > > >Regards > >John Coote > > > > > > > > > > > >--- David wrote: > > >> 24th is fine by me.. how long ? afternoon? start > >> midday maybe? > >> > >> David > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > wrote: > >> > >> > Dear All > >> > > >> > How about March 24th?? > >> > > >> > John Coote > >> > > >> > > >> > --- David wrote: > > >> > > Damn.... not that weekend ! > >> > > > >> > > My son is getting married. I think that gets > >> > > priority :-) > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, [iso-8859-1] John Coote > >> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > Dear All > >> > > > > >> > > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th > the > >> > > weekend > >> > > > for the working bee. Right now I'll say > >> Saturday > >> > > the > >> > > > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he > has > >> > > kindly > >> > > > said we can have it at his place. 5 more > >> > > volunteers, > >> > > > please get in touch with myself and / or > >> David. > >> > > > > >> > > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have > >> talked > >> > > > about for a while on the following weekend > and > >> > > thereby > >> > > > drumming up publicity. > >> > > > > >> > > > John Coote > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > --- David wrote: > > > >> > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to > >> these > >> > > > > giveaways if anyone has any > >> > > > > > spare. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly > >> 14.4 > >> > > but > >> > > > > also a couple of 28.8. > >> > > > > As far as I know they all have power > >> supplies > >> > > > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > >> > > > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept > them > >> cos > >> > > > > it's seems a waste to > >> > > > > toss them. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all > gone. > >> We > >> > > should > >> > > > > now have a nice > >> > > > > > little kitty to become > >> incorporated/whatever. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good > >> > > intentions, > >> > > > > but it would be nice > >> > > > > to be a tad more formal. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and > >> boxen > >> > > > > sitting in my basement > >> > > > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I > >> would > >> > > love > >> > > > > to buy one for myself > >> > > > > right now. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > There was a very brief discussion of > >> > > workshopping > >> > > > > these machines to get > >> > > > > them loaded with usable software. I am > more > >> than > >> > > > > happy to host this > >> > > > > operation, but need notice, volunteers > and > >> other > >> > > > > organisational matters > >> > > > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 > >> people > >> > > > > working on as many > >> > > > > machines simultaneously, net access, even > >> coffee > >> > > > > etc. I'm located in Surry > >> > > > > Hills. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a > suggestion > >> > > that > >> > > > > whenever CB sells > >> > > > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable > >> price, > >> > > or > >> > > > > else scraps the stuff. > >> > > > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at > >> nominal > >> > > fee > >> > > > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > >> > > > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap > stuff > >> > > brings > >> > > > > all sorts of > >> > > > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who > just > >> waste > >> > > > > your time. There are > >> > > > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, > >> tyre > >> > > > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer > something > >> for > >> > > > > nothing, people seem to > >> > > > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > David McQuire. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > > > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! > Mail. > >> > >> > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > __________________________________________________ > >> > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >> > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >> > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > >> > > >> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your free Australian email account at > http://www.start.com.au > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Feb 28 16:15:41 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:15:22 +1100 Received: from [203.91.255.2] ([203.91.255.2]:3506 "HELO netserv.melcoa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 16:15:05 +1100 Received: by netserv.melcoa.com.au with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.17 AS-0098305) for at Wed, 28 Feb 01 15:59:42 +1100 From: Murray Waldron Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 04:53:58 GMT Message-ID: <20010228.4535851@Murray_Eng.melcoa.com.au> Subject: Working Bee To: "Coote, John" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Win32) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I would like to volunteer for the working bee. Should be a good change to introduce myself and get involved. But I don't know where it is, or at what time it starts. Murray cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 1 00:05:28 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:05:22 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63897 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:05:04 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA13170; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:03:01 +1100 Message-ID: <3A9CE784.1925412B@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:56:52 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Coote CC: Hans Olminkhof , CB NSW Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) References: <20010228043130.27100.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John Coote wrote: > > Hans > It'll be good to see you there > FYI, the Campeltown thing is MacLUG / SLUG NOT > Computerbank, theyre not the same thing as us and we > don't have the same goals, even though there is some > common memebers. Umm, Sat 3rd Feb was Computerbank. Third Saturdays are MacLUG at my place (Campbelltown). It just happened to be crossover as we were continuing the stuff started on Sat 3rd and there was some interest in Linux on Sparcs, so it was conveninet to combine. MacLUG is a SIG of SLUG. Unfortunately, I don't see much Computerbank happening out this was as; - most CB people are intown, and - schools/community/etc are rather introspective. However, if another opportunity arises to help out in a similar way, then I will. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 1 01:13:36 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:13:19 +1100 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:43795 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:13:02 +1100 Received: from mail.com (user@muras-remote128.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.7.142]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1SECs403231; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 01:12:54 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3A9D077C.278A678D@mail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 01:13:16 +1100 From: nik lam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Coote CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) References: <20010228002329.15738.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Ive got a few questions about hardware/software details... Ive forgotten the specs of the hardware - all i remember is that we were going to try to give a set of 5 notebooks with docking stations and monitors to the school, but what machines were we giving to cell block? What are the specs on the machines? - ive forgotten... :( Do either sites have network infrastructure compatible with the machines as-is or are they all going to be standalone? I appreciate that maybe the answers to these questions may not be known yet, but thought it would be worth thinking about such things. nik ps does anyone know who is on this list, or at least who the list admin is? I have a feeling its John Hamilton. is he still around? John Coote wrote: > > Dear All > > 24th Midday it is > > Volunteers so far > David > John > Nik > > We could really use at least 3 more > > Glen / Craig > Can you contact Cellblock / Crown Street to organise a > date when we can do a handover of the goods. > > Nik cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 1 11:54:41 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:54:23 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:4154 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:54:12 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f210qkc24259; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:52:47 +1100 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:52:46 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: nik lam cc: John Coote , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) In-Reply-To: <3A9D077C.278A678D@mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox G'day Nick, John Yes I am maintaining the list. Unfortunately, due to health and family reasons I had to leave sydney for a couple of months, but I came back this week!! Maintaining the list was the one way I could contribute while I was away. I will post a list of list members later today. Cheers James Hamilton ps its great to see that so much has been happening, I look forward to being able tocontribute again. So if you are still looking for volunteers for the 24th, I am more than happy to come along. On Thu, 1 Mar 2001, nik lam wrote: > Ive got a few questions about hardware/software details... > > Ive forgotten the specs of the hardware - all i remember is that we were > going to try to give a set of 5 notebooks with docking stations and > monitors to the school, but what machines were we giving to cell block? > > What are the specs on the machines? - ive forgotten... :( > > Do either sites have network infrastructure compatible with the machines > as-is or are they all going to be standalone? > > I appreciate that maybe the answers to these questions may not be known > yet, but thought it would be worth thinking about such things. > > nik > > ps does anyone know who is on this list, or at least who the list admin > is? I have a feeling its John Hamilton. is he still around? > > John Coote wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > 24th Midday it is > > > > Volunteers so far > > David > > John > > Nik > > > > We could really use at least 3 more > > > > Glen / Craig > > Can you contact Cellblock / Crown Street to organise a > > date when we can do a handover of the goods. > > > > Nik > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Mar 3 19:38:43 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:38:35 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3165 "EHLO gw-iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:38:13 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@www.predict.com.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw-iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f238c4203136 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:38:05 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02811 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:38:03 +1100 Message-ID: <3AA0ABFF.61130599@blue.net.au> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:31:59 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Hi all Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Sorry for not getting back to every. I'm interested in any working bee. Lets get on with the show Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Mar 3 19:44:46 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:44:29 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3205 "EHLO gw-iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:44:14 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@www.predict.com.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw-iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f238i7203151 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:44:07 +1100 Received: from blue.net.au (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02860 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 19:44:09 +1100 Message-ID: <3AA0AD6C.33383B13@blue.net.au> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 19:38:04 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: extra volunteers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi again, I may have extra volunteers. TAFE Network Administrator Certificate course students. regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 4 12:20:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:20:28 +1100 Received: from [203.108.93.66] ([203.108.93.66]:2046 "HELO mail.coolahddg.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:20:19 +1100 Received: from michael (unverified [203.102.215.116]) by mail.coolahddg.com.au (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:19:25 +0000 Message-ID: <200103041220100770.086CC0B0@mail.coolahddg.com.au> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 12:20:10 -0800 Reply-To: michael@coolahddg.com.au From: "Michael C White" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Join Computerbank Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox My community would like to become involved in Computerbank I live in Coolah South of Gunnedah and East of Dubbo a small rural community busy revitalising itself. I am a farmer and Vice Chair of our Coolah District Development Group. We also have the District (Shire) ISP, community owned www.coolahddg.com.au www.auswide.com and the telecenter with 3 out telecenters The telecenter is in the Shire Hall a secure area the size of a basketball court. We also have completed a heritage refurbishment of our small main street. I have been working with youth, trying to get them a grant for a community youth network. We will be seeking sources of finance for the project again this year. We have plenty of secure storage space at no cost, for a Computerbank Depot. I may be able to get used computers up for no cost from metropolitan Sydney. I was a delegate to the Regional Summit in Canberra, on the communications committee. Regards Michael White cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 4 13:01:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:01:00 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:1774 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:00:49 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28900; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:13:11 +1100 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:13:11 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Michael C White cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Join Computerbank In-Reply-To: <200103041220100770.086CC0B0@mail.coolahddg.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox It's not my place to say, but this sounds like a perfect project for Computerbank. On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Michael C White wrote: > My community would like to become involved in Computerbank > I live in Coolah South of Gunnedah and East of Dubbo > a small rural community busy revitalising itself. > I am a farmer and Vice Chair of our Coolah District Development > Group. > We also have the District (Shire) ISP, community owned > www.coolahddg.com.au > www.auswide.com > and the telecenter with 3 out telecenters > The telecenter is in the Shire Hall > a secure area the size of a basketball court. > We also have completed a heritage refurbishment of our small > main street. > I have been working with youth, trying to get them a grant > for a community youth network. > > We will be seeking sources of finance for the project again this > year. > We have plenty of secure storage space at no cost, for a > Computerbank > Depot. > I may be able to get used computers up for no cost from > metropolitan Sydney. > > I was a delegate to the Regional Summit in Canberra, > on the communications committee. > Regards Michael White > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 4 22:45:06 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:45:00 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2607 "EHLO gw-iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:44:38 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@www.predict.com.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw-iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f24BiQ208133; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:44:26 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10103; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 22:44:19 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: surfless@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:58:41 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: cbnsw To: John Coote , David , Terry Collins References: <20010226040140.10638.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010226040140.10638.qmail@web2903.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01022619584100.01181@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John, I'm doing a network course so I may sell the idea to them. Anyway count me in Regards Craig Warner But I'm available On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:01, John Coote wrote: > Dear All > > Lets make the weekend of the 17th / 18th the weekend > for the working bee. Right now I'll say Saturday the > 17th. I'll be there and David too, as he has kindly > said we can have it at his place. 5 more volunteers, > please get in touch with myself and / or David. > > lets aim at makiing the placements we have talked > about for a while on the following weekend and thereby > drumming up publicity. > > John Coote > > > > --- David wrote: > > > > > > Also chasing modems (14.4K+) to add to these > > > > giveaways if anyone has any > > > > > spare. > > > > I have a bundle of about 8 modems, mostly 14.4 but > > also a couple of 28.8. > > As far as I know they all have power supplies > > (somewhere?) but maybe not > > cables. All free to good use. I've kept them cos > > it's seems a waste to > > toss them. > > > > > Sparc HW - basically, this has all gone. We should > > > > now have a nice > > > > > little kitty to become incorporated/whatever. > > > > > > Who is the treasurer? > > > > Who is anyone? I think we all have good intentions, > > but it would be nice > > to be a tad more formal. > > > > I have a bucket of donated monitors and boxen > > sitting in my basement > > that are valuable, but gathering dust. > > > > The monitors are especially useful and I would love > > to buy one for myself > > right now. > > > > There was a very brief discussion of workshopping > > these machines to get > > them loaded with usable software. I am more than > > happy to host this > > operation, but need notice, volunteers and other > > organisational matters > > dealt with. I can offer space for about 6 people > > working on as many > > machines simultaneously, net access, even coffee > > etc. I'm located in Surry > > Hills. > > > > > Selling HW - I'd like to make a suggestion that > > > > whenever CB sells > > > > > surplus HW, it does it at a reasonable price, or > > > > else scraps the stuff. > > > > > The only time CB should sell stuff at nominal fee > > > > ($1-$5+) is to CB > > > > > volunteers. Reason - offering cheap stuff brings > > > > all sorts of > > > > > cheapskates out of the woodwork who just waste > > > > your time. There are > > > > > professional shoppers (window lokkers, tyre > > > > kickers, etc) in all fields. > > > > Couldn't agree more. If you offer something for > > nothing, people seem to > > assume your time is worth nothing too. > > > > David McQuire. > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 6 22:35:36 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:35:18 +1100 Received: from [203.108.93.66] ([203.108.93.66]:3750 "HELO mail.coolahddg.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:35:06 +1100 Received: from michael (unverified [203.102.215.103]) by mail.coolahddg.com.au (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:34:43 +0000 Message-ID: <200103062236090640.0131FFCD@mail.coolahddg.com.au> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 22:36:09 -0800 Reply-To: michael@coolahddg.com.au From: "Michael C White" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Joining Computerbank NSW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Our community at Coolah wishes to become a member of Computerbank and also to participate actively in the program. Could one of you please get back to me on this Regards Michael White cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 7 20:37:23 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:37:15 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2115 "EHLO gw-iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:37:03 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@www.predict.com.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw-iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f279ar217489; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:36:53 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27700; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:36:54 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:30:41 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Michael C White" , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au References: <200103062236090640.0131FFCD@mail.coolahddg.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200103062236090640.0131FFCD@mail.coolahddg.com.au> Subject: Re: Joining Computerbank NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01030720304100.00834@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi, Michael, I bet either John or David would have got back to you already. I'm glad that Coolah Community wishes to work with ComputerBank. I know that my father back at my home town of Trangie is also keen on the idea of ComputerBank. I'm sure that ComputerBank NSW would welcome Coolah community. Regards Craig Warner On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:36, Michael C White wrote: > Our community at Coolah wishes to become a member of > Computerbank and also to participate actively in the program. > Could one of you please get back to me on this > Regards Michael White > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 00:18:04 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:17:42 +1100 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:63238 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:17:18 +1100 Received: from mail.com (user@muras-remote14.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.7.28]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f27DH9W11543; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 00:17:09 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3AA634DE.A573205@mail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 00:17:18 +1100 From: nik lam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18pre21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craigw@blue.net.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: Michael C White Subject: Re: Joining Computerbank NSW References: <200103062236090640.0131FFCD@mail.coolahddg.com.au> <01030720304100.00834@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi everyone, My feeling is that we will have enough decent hardware left over after our proposed deployment to the school & the drop-in centre to at least get Michael started. I suppose once computerbank gets registered and has a bit of publicity, there may be so much hardware we wont be able to get rid of it fast enough ... ;-) nik Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi, > > Michael, I bet either John or David would have got back to you already. > > I'm glad that Coolah Community wishes to work with ComputerBank. I know that > my father back at my home town of Trangie is also keen on the idea of > ComputerBank. > > I'm sure that ComputerBank NSW would welcome Coolah community. > > Regards > > Craig Warner > > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001 17:36, Michael C White wrote: > > Our community at Coolah wishes to become a member of > > Computerbank and also to participate actively in the program. > > Could one of you please get back to me on this > > Regards Michael White > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 17:06:03 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:05:46 +1100 Received: from web2902.mail.yahoo.com ([128.11.68.45]:3974 "HELO web2902.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:05:31 +1100 Received: (qmail 25435 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2001 06:05:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20010308060522.25434.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web2902.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 22:05:22 PST Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 22:05:22 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: New Contact Person for CB NSW To: CB NSW , Kylie Davies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear New South Welshmen I can no longer be the contact person for NSW. I'm finding that I'm simply not devoting enough time to it to do it justice. I will still help where I can, I'm still keen to assist with pickups and finding donors and recipients, someone else needs to be the organiser and first point of contact. Kylie can you please remove my email address from the main Computerbank web site. Perhaps Craig, David, Nik or Glen would like to volunteer? Regards John Coote __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 20:37:26 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:37:09 +1100 Received: from babel.apana.org.au ([202.12.88.4]:1127 "EHLO babel.apana.org.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:36:54 +1100 Received: by babel.apana.org.au (Linux Smail3.2.0.102 #2) id m14avvH-005iLLC; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:37:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:37:23 +1100 From: johna@babel.apana.org.au To: kylied@projectx.com.au Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Computerbank Message-ID: <20010308193723.A2003@babel.apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Kylie, Don't know if you remember me, involved with computerbank NSW. I'm planning to be in Melbourne from March 28 th - April 4 th. I'm joing the Cave Clan, running around in drains. Maybe you don't want to know more. Anyway, I thought it would be an idea to meet up with some computerbank people while I'm in Melbourne. More social than with any agenda, but it seems a waste not to. What's possible ? Cheers, -- John August Become your own audience. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 21:59:30 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:59:14 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4005 "EHLO gw-iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:58:59 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@www.predict.com.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw-iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f28Awl219541; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:58:47 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.9]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01778; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:58:47 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:52:31 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" To: John Coote , CB NSW , Kylie Davies References: <20010308060522.25434.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010308060522.25434.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New Contact Person for CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01030821523101.00747@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:05, John Coote wrote: > Dear New South Welshmen > I can no longer be the contact person for NSW. I'm > finding that I'm simply not devoting enough time to it > to do it justice. I will still help where I can, I'm > still keen to assist with pickups and finding donors > and recipients, someone else needs to be the organiser > and first point of contact. > > Kylie can you please remove my email address from the > main Computerbank web site. Perhaps Craig, David, Nik > or Glen would like to volunteer? > > > Regards > John Coote > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list Hi all, I would like to thank John for keeping the group together, especially about with a new family and all. I believe that it would be good that we as a group to say meet or agree online that some someone should take the lead. I thank John for putting my name forward and I don't mind that but its up to the group. How lets bounce the idea around and see what happens. Craig -- Beware the PENGUIN! cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 22:45:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:44:59 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:2066 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:44:33 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25653; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:55:37 +1100 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:55:37 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Craig Warner cc: John Coote , CB NSW , Kylie Davies Subject: Re: New Contact Person for CB NSW In-Reply-To: <01030821523101.00747@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I don't know if it's too far off.. but there is a tentative workshopping date for either Sat/Sun 23rd/24th March. Would that be a good time to talk it out? I don't think I would be a good choice first: cos i'm not really up to speed on some of the tech issues, and second cos I'm already heavily involved in another charity thing. Very happy to help out where-ever possible, however David McQuire On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:05, John Coote wrote: > > Dear New South Welshmen > > I can no longer be the contact person for NSW. I'm > > finding that I'm simply not devoting enough time to it > > to do it justice. I will still help where I can, I'm > > still keen to assist with pickups and finding donors > > and recipients, someone else needs to be the organiser > > and first point of contact. > > > > Kylie can you please remove my email address from the > > main Computerbank web site. Perhaps Craig, David, Nik > > or Glen would like to volunteer? > > > > > > Regards > > John Coote > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > Hi all, > > I would like to thank John for keeping the group together, especially about > with a new family and all. > > I believe that it would be good that we as a group to say meet or agree > online that some someone should take the lead. > > I thank John for putting my name forward and I don't mind that but its up to > the group. > > How lets bounce the idea around and see what happens. > > Craig > -- > Beware the PENGUIN! > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 22:49:23 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:49:06 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63168 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:48:55 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA11573; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 22:52:33 +1100 Message-ID: <3AA7630B.26B46EDB@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 21:46:35 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craigw@blue.net.au CC: CB NSW Subject: Re: New Contact Person for CB NSW References: <20010308060522.25434.qmail@web2902.mail.yahoo.com> <01030821523101.00747@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: ...snip.... > I believe that it would be good that we as a group to say meet or agree > online that some someone should take the lead. > > I thank John for putting my name forward and I don't mind that but its up to > the group. That sounds like an acceptance to me. My 2c says that if you want it, you got it. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 8 23:20:13 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:19:54 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:2098 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 23:19:45 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25904; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:30:36 +1100 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:30:35 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Terry Collins cc: craigw@blue.net.au, CB NSW Subject: Re: New Contact Person for CB NSW In-Reply-To: <3AA7630B.26B46EDB@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig looks very attractive from here :)) David On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > Craig Warner wrote: > > ...snip.... > > > I believe that it would be good that we as a group to say meet or agree > > online that some someone should take the lead. > > > > I thank John for putting my name forward and I don't mind that but its up to > > the group. > > That sounds like an acceptance to me. > > My 2c says that if you want it, you got it. > > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( > $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 > -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h > =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ > d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ > $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ > (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 9 01:47:59 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:47:42 +1100 Received: from sdcax52-020.dialup.optusnet.com.au ([198.142.206.20]:1394 "HELO sydlinx.dhs.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:47:20 +1100 Received: (qmail 25334 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 14:47:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pc-00176.e-smith.sydlinx.dhs.org) (172.28.140.176) by 172.28.140.86 with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 14:47:12 -0000 From: "Mark Willis" To: "ComputerBank NSW" Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 01:40:49 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) In-reply-to: <20010226213646.6791.qmail@web2901.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/4.XX [en] (X11; U; OpenBSD 2.7 i386) Message-Id:<20010308144732Z159679-18794+3490@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello Everyone, It appears that the Working Bee on Saturday the 24th of March now clashes with the CodeFest that SLUG is running. This may seriously preclude the attendance of many Linux Loving Geeks. All that I can suggest is that we postpone the Working Bee for a week. Hopefully by this time we will have all recovered from the high caffeine load and three days without sleep. Regards Mark -- On 26Fb2k1 John Coote wrote: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March > How about March 24th?? > > John Coote On 9Mr2k1 Jeff Waugh wrote: [Festies] CodeFest planned for 23-2 > CodeFest planned for 23-25th March, 2001 > Here's the details so far for the CodeFest we're planning for late > March. It will hopefully run throughout the weekend, with proper > talks on Saturday, and random hackery and impromptu talks on the > Sunday. We're taking over CSE at UNSW http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/ > so it should rock very hard. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 9 09:15:41 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:34 +1100 Received: from baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.12]:50580 "EHLO baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:12 +1100 Received: from OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (ocs1.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.6.13]) by baldrick.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f28MFAT16475; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:15:10 +1100 (EST) Received: from OCS1/SpoolDir by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 9 Mar 01 09:15:23 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by OCS1 (Mercury 1.44); 9 Mar 01 09:15:03 +1000 Received: from mail.com (137.111.11.65) by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44) with ESMTP; 9 Mar 01 09:15:01 +1000 Message-ID: <3AA80464.334996EB@mail.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:15:00 +1100 From: nik lam X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CB NSW Subject: Re: New Contact Person for CB NSW References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Yep, Im behind craig too. james, do you know how many people are on this list? so far the count for craig is at 3, i believe. ;-) thanks to john c for getting cbnsw going again. nik David wrote: > > Craig looks very attractive from here :)) > > David > > On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > > > Craig Warner wrote: > > > > ...snip.... > > > > > I believe that it would be good that we as a group to say meet or agree > > > online that some someone should take the lead. > > > > > > I thank John for putting my name forward and I don't mind that but its up to > > > the group. > > > > That sounds like an acceptance to me. > > > > My 2c says that if you want it, you got it. > > > > -- > > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > > WOA Computer Services cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 11 19:23:29 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:23:23 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64760 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:23:04 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20841; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:26:52 +1100 Message-ID: <3AAB2744.B6BF4540@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:20:36 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: a_tester@pacific.net.au CC: cbnsw Subject: Re: Computer Bank References: <200103110604.RAA16105@wisma.pacific.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox a_tester@pacific.net.au wrote: > > G'Day > > You may (or may not) remember me, A couple of weeks ago I > drove my brother down to you to pick up a Sun. Anyway, I have > about 8 computers that I wish to donate to Computer Bank and as > you were talking with my brother about them, I was wondering if > you could give me any details so I can get in contact with them? Send a message to the list CC'd with this message. Please give details of what you have available, condition, when you would like them collected, where from, etc. Thanks -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 11 19:45:38 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:45:21 +1100 Received: from [203.108.93.66] ([203.108.93.66]:2977 "HELO mail.coolahddg.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:45:07 +1100 Received: from michael (unverified [203.102.215.99]) by mail.coolahddg.com.au (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:44:53 +0000 Message-ID: <200103111946250470.01ABB2B6@mail.coolahddg.com.au> References: <3.0.6.32.20010311080358.00818180@popa.melbpc.org.au> <200103111003020160.0323B206@mail.coolahddg.com.au> <001f01c0aa0a$e5f7efc0$0164a8c0@aptiva> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:46:25 -0800 Reply-To: michael@coolahddg.com.au From: "Michael C White" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Something to consider with 486's Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hello from Michael at Coolah. Our request for computers was of course our ultimate goal, I hope we can get some initial computers from you soon, can we talk further? I didn't want to send you into shock We realise that there are many other competing "customers" for your computers. I am wondering whether the same computerbank network can bring redundant office furniture to light While we can generally find vacant premises in regional Australia, infrastructure such as desks chairs and partitions are just as important as computers. I envisage setting up a different organisation, say office furniture bank. Regards Michael. >From my experience you can place 1000's of computers in regional NSW. We also have the networks set up ready to go. *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 3/11/01 at 8:08 PM Don Cameron wrote: >> >Would 486s be OK to start with? > Most of the networks are already >windows, > but I suppose someone like Don is more qualified to answer this. > >Hi Michael, Bruce and all, > >Not sure of the answer to this one - horses for courses... a 486 is fine for >the things a 486 can do... it all depends on what you want them to do... >provide high-end graphics for computer games, desktop publishing, or viewing >wizz-bang flash-enabled web sites?... obviously not... provide desktop >word-processing or business spreadsheets... certainly yes... with obvious >limitations if you are planning to use today's software. > >Having said this... it's amazing just how fast things change in the world of >computers... An increasing number of organisations are actually resurecting >old 486 computers for use with top-end programs and applications... they way >they do this is by reverting to the old main-frame style of computing, but >with today's server technologies. > >This does not involve using either Linux or Windows on the 486 (won't this >throw a cat amongst the pigeons!)... in fact the only software needed is >DOS, and your 486 becomes as powerful as the best Pentium computer >available... This is the methodology being evaluated by the NSW CTC >(Telecentre) network, and involves setting up a local Terminal Server, and >simply hanging all the 486 computers off this acting as "dumb" terminals to >the server - Top-end graphics and full capabilities for running Office 2000 >or any of the other new memory-hungry programs are at your finger-tips even >with a ten-year-old computer. > >In the long run, this works out much cheaper than loading Windows or Linux >(to get a satisfactory result), because the end result is perfomance to >match a room full of 1 gigabyte Pentiums... It just takes a bit of server >administration to set it up, and the purchase of a suitable Terminal Server >(sounds expensive, but really it's only slightly more than one "normal" >computer - far cheaper than buying a room-full of machines, or even if you >get them for free, it works out cheaper than administering a bunch of >stand-alone Linux or Windows boxes). > >Something to consider? > >CYA, Don > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-~> >Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep >in touch. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 11 20:42:01 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:41:43 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64828 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:41:26 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21075; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 20:45:22 +1100 Message-ID: <3AAB39A9.4F619C0C@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:39:05 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael@coolahddg.com.au CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Something to consider with 486's References: <3.0.6.32.20010311080358.00818180@popa.melbpc.org.au> <200103111003020160.0323B206@mail.coolahddg.com.au> <001f01c0aa0a$e5f7efc0$0164a8c0@aptiva> <200103111946250470.01ABB2B6@mail.coolahddg.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Michael C White wrote: > > Hello from Michael at Coolah. > Our request for computers was of course our ultimate goal, I hope we can get some initial > computers from you soon, can we talk further? I'm not an official of Computerbank, just asking. What sort/type of computers do you want? What projects do you have on the go? What computer support skills do you have available? How do you propose to get stuff from Sydney to Coolah? Computerbank doesn't have a warehouse full of computers. Basically, we collect requests for computers from schools, community, non-profit, etc and when we are offered computers, try to fill those requests. That could be from one month to one year, as a guess. It just depends on what Computerbank is offered. At this stage, things are just getting rolling. We have had a few, small donations and managed to dispose of some of the gear. As we are a bit more successful, things will start to happen a bit quicker. But it is early days so far. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 11 22:49:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:48:50 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4750 "EHLO gw-iprimus.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:48:30 +1100 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@www.predict.com.au [192.168.100.7]) by gw-iprimus.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2BBmI229480; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:48:18 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07279; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:48:19 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:41:57 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Cc: computerbank@mbox.com.au Subject: Off to Melbourne Wednesday 14th MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031122415700.00747@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi All, I have business in Melbourne on Wednesday 14th of this week. It's only a day trip but I've left an hour and a bit at the end of the day, to do any ComputerBank business if needed. So I believe that incorporation would be one of the points. With the workshop on the 24th of this month, is there any business that as a group, we should be discussing face to face. Also Nik took along to the SLUG Install fest on Sat, to see about the docking station problem. I wait to hear back from Nik and his findings. Craig -- MPAA, go ahead make my day! #!/usr/bin/perl -w # 531-byte qrpff-fast, Keith Winstein and Marc Horowitz # MPEG 2 PS VOB file on stdin -> descrambled output on stdout # arguments: title key bytes in least to most-significant order $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d>>8^($f=$t&($d>>12^$d>>4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e>>8^($t&($g=($q=$e>>14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h>>=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 18 12:31:20 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:31:02 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3019 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:30:56 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.11]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2I1Ujv17952 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:30:45 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Melbourne Visit Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:24:11 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031812241100.01301@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, A News brief on what is happening at the front. I not the one to put much down on paper so stay with me on this email, grammar, spelling and all. Nik borrowed one of the Dell notebooks last Saturday and then travel upto the SLUG install-fest at Mona Vale SLSC. Geeks, pale skin code warriors meet Clubies, bronze skin surf warriors. The Nik got back to me last week to report that the trip was worthwhile and the results look promising. Nik will get back to ComputerBank with a full description. Last Wednesday, I was in Melbourne for Business but managed to free up 45 minutes at the end of the day to spend with ComputerBank Victoria at their new building. I was very impressed with the office area, training rooms and equipment, and the build room out the back. All this has been done with extremely limited resources but was very impressive. I hope one day that NSW can have resources like that one day. The discussions I had with Kylie centered around the incorporation of ComputerBank Victoria as a national body to cover all interested States, assets management and logistics problems that are perhaps faced in NSW In brief: 1. Should NSW ComputerBank be incorporated as part of a National body. 2.. The urgent need to be incorporated in some form or another before we can work on and/or donate any equipment. 3. If so the nomination of NSW representatives for the National body. 4. If so the nomination of NSW Branch office holders. 5. Logistics, lack of a facitily such as in Melbourne. 6. Asset management, as charity ComputerBank faces the same auditing processes as normal businesses we must have records of all equipment received and all equipment donated to other organizations. So we new some type of accounting database for equipment. Perhaps someone with bit of pearl and mysql could step in here. 7. Someone in NSW to update the NSW ComputerBank web site. 8. A meeting of all interested people in the next couple of weeks ie before the end of march to discussion, AGREE and ACTION all of the above. 9. Any thing that anyone would like to discuss before we proceed. I hope to see every one at David's on the 24th. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 18 14:08:56 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:08:48 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62217 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:08:32 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17996; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:13:04 +1100 Message-ID: <3AB4180A.50FF119D@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:06:02 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craigw@blue.net.au CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Asset Accounting Re: Melbourne Visit References: <01031812241100.01301@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: ...snip..... > 6. Asset management, as charity ComputerBank faces the same auditing > processes as normal businesses we must have records of all equipment received > and all equipment donated to other organizations. So we new some type of > accounting database for equipment. Perhaps someone with bit of pearl and > mysql could step in here. I'm going to through in a few suggestions here for consideration. KISS - keep it simple. Can I suggest a simple folder based procedure for the accounting. A WWW page would be great, but only for convenience so that people can see what we have in stock (are we really going to have that much that we need this.?) Lets use the recent CSIRO Canberra trip as an example. 1 - Gear is collected and an inventory created - list is signed by two people. CSIRO had me sign a docket and gave me a copy. 2 - a paper record is generated for each significant unit. It shows. source disposal - two signatures, buyer/recipient or project leader & asset manager Simple easy. - paper record, two signatures all the time. Well, it is for each thing like a sparc box, because what came in, went out again. The same for laptops, or similar items. It is not going to be so easy for IBM clone hardware that will be mix and match. We need to agree as to what is significant items worth recording. I don't really want to spend time accounting for mice which are worth $2.50c new. Perhaps, mice, keyboards, etc have a simple ledger which looks like DATE Flow Notes & Signatures(2) Balance 10/12/00 IN 5 mice from Fred Smith P/L donation 10 20/1/01 Out 7 mice Fort Street Project 3 29/1/01 Out 2 scrapped 1 10/2/01 IN 12 mice from GHT donation 13 At the other extreme - something like a laptop will have is own record sheet Essential principle is two independent people signing - that keeps auditors happy. That CBNSW can show that it is not just a group of people who have registered a charity to line their own pockets - that keep Chief Secretaries Dept (?) happy. If you don't fill in the paperwork - goodbye - paper work is important people. Someone who comes in and does a whole pile of work but neglects the paperwork is just creating a whole pile of work for someone else. Also, having someone co-sign covers your arse. Just my 2c. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 18 14:26:49 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:26:30 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62226 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:26:11 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18058; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:30:56 +1100 Message-ID: <3AB41C3A.D641B06E@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:23:54 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: craigw@blue.net.au Subject: Facilities: Re: Melbourne Visit References: <01031812241100.01301@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: ...snip..... > I was very impressed with the office area, training rooms and equipment, and > the build room out the back. All this has been done with extremely limited > resources but was very impressive. > > I hope one day that NSW can have resources like that one day. ...snip.... > 5. Logistics, lack of a facilities such as in Melbourne. My thoughts are that once we are incorporated as a charity in some way, we can address this. I guess there must be some long term vacant office/warehouse space somewhere that someone will loan to us as a storage/workroom area. E.g Carlton United Breweries loaned warehouse space for the Recycle Bicycle Project. What I proposed we do is start looking around for vacant industrial/office buildings and start approaching real estate agents/owners for use. As a charity, they can get a bit of a "donation" credit for providing premises/electricity/water/etc. So start having a good look around as you commute to work. It doesn't matter if it is a year here, a year there, but it is a start. In the long term, we can look at income generation activities like training, sales, etc to enable us to pay some rent. Also, look at offering "training" in other forms. The second, third, etc SLUG installfest/config/prog FESTS actually made Slug a couple of hundred dollars each day, although it was never intended to make money. If we could put on a series of talks around community halls (alas win95/98), we might do similar. Anyway, just my 2c. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Mar 19 19:48:28 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:48:20 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3716 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:47:55 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.15]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2J8lat03967; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:47:37 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: Terry Collins Subject: Re: Asset Accounting Re: Melbourne Visit Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:40:49 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au References: <01031812241100.01301@linux> <3AB4180A.50FF119D@woa.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3AB4180A.50FF119D@woa.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031919404901.00692@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:06, Terry Collins wrote: > Craig Warner wrote: > > > ....snip..... > > > 6. Asset management, as charity ComputerBank faces the same auditing > > processes as normal businesses we must have records of all equipment > > received and all equipment donated to other organizations. So we new some > > type of accounting database for equipment. Perhaps someone with bit of > > pearl and mysql could step in here. > > I'm going to through in a few suggestions here for consideration. > > KISS - keep it simple. Can I suggest a simple folder based procedure for > the accounting. I use MISS actually but I agree 100% disclaimer we need acountability regardless > > A WWW page would be great, but only for convenience so that people can > see what we have in stock (are we really going to have that much that we > need this.?) I was not looking at how much equipment in stock but keeping the information up todate for everyone. > > > Lets use the recent CSIRO Canberra trip as an example. > > 1 - Gear is collected and an inventory created - list is signed by two > people. CSIRO had me sign a docket and gave me a copy. > > 2 - a paper record is generated for each significant unit. It shows. > source > disposal - two signatures, buyer/recipient or project leader & asset > manager > > Simple easy. - paper record, two signatures all the time. > > Well, it is for each thing like a sparc box, because what came in, went > out again. The same for laptops, or similar items. > > It is not going to be so easy for IBM clone hardware that will be mix > and match. We need to agree as to what is significant items worth > recording. I don't really want to spend time accounting for mice which > are worth $2.50c new. There are acounting practices that charities have to maintenance both for our donators and for the tax office. Equipment is an asset, regardless how small we have to be above board for every thing we do, receive and dispatch. > > Perhaps, mice, keyboards, etc have a simple ledger which looks like > > DATE Flow Notes & Signatures(2) > Balance > 10/12/00 IN 5 mice from Fred Smith P/L donation > 10 > 20/1/01 Out 7 mice Fort Street Project > 3 > 29/1/01 Out 2 scrapped > 1 > 10/2/01 IN 12 mice from GHT donation > 13 > As long as the nominated officers sign this off and scrap means scrap ie sorry a hammer etc. I been through a tax inspector audits. > > > > At the other extreme - something like a laptop will have is own record > sheet > > > Essential principle is two independent people signing - that keeps > auditors happy. > Agreed > > That CBNSW can show that it is not just a group of people who have > registered a charity to line their own pockets - that keep Chief > Secretaries Dept (?) happy. > > If you don't fill in the paperwork - goodbye - paper work is important > people. Someone who comes in and does a whole pile of work but neglects > the paperwork is just creating a whole pile of work for someone else. > > Also, having someone co-sign covers your arse. > > Just my 2c. > More 2c is needed, from everyone. > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$ >c^=( > $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_ >%16 > -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){ >$h > =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/; >$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ > $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ > (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Mar 19 19:51:58 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:51:52 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3721 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:51:35 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.15]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2J8pNt03974; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:51:23 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: Terry Collins , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Facilities: Re: Melbourne Visit Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:44:50 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <01031812241100.01301@linux> <3AB41C3A.D641B06E@woa.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3AB41C3A.D641B06E@woa.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031919445002.00692@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:23, Terry Collins wrote: > Craig Warner wrote: > > ....snip..... > > > I was very impressed with the office area, training rooms and equipment, > > and the build room out the back. All this has been done with extremely > > limited resources but was very impressive. > > > > I hope one day that NSW can have resources like that one day. > > ....snip.... > > > 5. Logistics, lack of a facilities such as in Melbourne. > > My thoughts are that once we are incorporated as a charity in some way, > we can address this. > Incorporated is the first aim, If no one has any problems I will contact ComputerBank and agree to National incorporation. > I guess there must be some long term vacant office/warehouse space > somewhere that someone will loan to us as a storage/workroom area. E.g > Carlton United Breweries loaned warehouse space for the Recycle Bicycle > Project. Oh, I have some excess bike parts from my road frame, who do I contact. > > What I proposed we do is start looking around for vacant > industrial/office buildings and start approaching real estate > agents/owners for use. As a charity, they can get a bit of a "donation" > credit for providing premises/electricity/water/etc. So start having a > good look around as you commute to work. Inner city, not really. > > It doesn't matter if it is a year here, a year there, but it is a start. > > In the long term, we can look at income generation activities like > training, sales, etc to enable us to pay some rent. > > Also, look at offering "training" in other forms. The second, third, etc > SLUG installfest/config/prog FESTS actually made Slug a couple of > hundred dollars each day, although it was never intended to make money. > If we could put on a series of talks around community halls (alas > win95/98), we might do similar. Agree, education is our best tool. > > Anyway, just my 2c. > More 2c please! > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$ >c^=( > $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_ >%16 > -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){ >$h > =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/; >$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ > $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ > (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Mar 19 23:16:39 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:16:31 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:2868 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:16:13 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2JCGXX06331; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:16:33 +1100 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:16:33 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: Craig Warner cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Melbourne Visit In-Reply-To: <01031812241100.01301@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox After a long lurk, my 2c On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > In brief: > > 1. Should NSW ComputerBank be incorporated as part of a National body. > > 2.. The urgent need to be incorporated in some form or another before we can > work on and/or donate any equipment. We need to address the reasons that we need to incorporate, before we decide which method is most appropriate. We need to incorporate to give us a structure that enables us to: 1. Take out Public liability insurance. 2. Take out workers-comp (even if only volunteer coverage) insurance 3. Ease the burden of personal liability for any damages that arise - Picture the scenario of supplying someone with a box with a (unknown to us at the time) faulty power supply? Currently whoever gave them the damm thing could well wear the consequences. 4. To achieve recognition as a public benevolent organisation (charity) 5. To exempt the organisation from the clutches of the tax commisioner. 6. To enbale us to run fund raisers (licence needed) If incorporation through CBV can effect all of this, then lets do it, it is certainly the least painful way of achieving our preferred outcomes. If we go ahead with this, then it is incumbent on cbv to supply us with relevant application forms, documentation, details of insurance coverage etc., as well as telling us how many people to nominate for the representation and how to elect them (the rules of a nationally incorporated body will govern that) if they cannot do these things in a reasonable time, we can incorporate in NSW for the time being and then pursue the other option later. Incorporation in NSW involves very little effort and we can do the paper work necessary at our get together next saturday. In summary we have to do something quickly, lets do what is easy, and one thing does not preclude the other. > 3. If so the nomination of NSW representatives for the National body. > > 4. If so the nomination of NSW Branch office holders. Both of these things need to be governed by the rules of the incorporating body either theirs, or ours (we can make them up) > 7. Someone in NSW to update the NSW ComputerBank web site. I am happy to look after the website. My day job is as a web developer (http://online.socialchange.net.au) > 8. A meeting of all interested people in the next couple of weeks ie before > the end of march to discussion, AGREE and ACTION all of the above. > > 9. Any thing that anyone would like to discuss before we proceed. > > I hope to see every one at David's on the 24th. > > Regards > > Craig Warner > > > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Mar 19 23:21:15 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:20:58 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:2930 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:20:47 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2JCKwY06435; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:20:58 +1100 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:20:58 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: Craig Warner cc: Terry Collins , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Asset Accounting Re: Melbourne Visit In-Reply-To: <01031919404901.00692@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I think while a paper based system has a role, particularly in terms of ausit trail etc, if we are looking at providing a state wide service eventually perhaps we can work at developing a web based system for people to log their spare stuff and for us to be able to conduct broader inventories. This is being suggested as a long long term project and perhaps one that we could look at developing with other states CBs as a national project, so that if any org had equipment that they wanted to donate they could go to a central website and log it there and the relevant local contact could then follow it up. Hey, I'm a web developer, of course I am going to suggest a web based solution :) Cheers JH cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 18:42:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:42:39 +1100 Received: from cluster01.start.com.au ([203.111.10.146]:33896 "EHLO cluster01.start.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:42:24 +1100 Received: from web04 (unverified [203.111.10.154]) by cluster01.start.com.au (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:42:22 +1100 Message-ID: From: Hans Olminkhof To: "cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au" X-Originating-IP: [61.9.192.141] Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:42:24 +1000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-mailer: AspMail 4.0 4.03 (SMT4DD4B4F) Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox 1. So is the working bee on the 24th? or what ? 2. Is anyone going to publish the address at any point? Hans Original message from: "Mark Willis" > >Hello Everyone, > >It appears that the Working Bee on Saturday the 24th of March now >clashes with the CodeFest that SLUG is running. This may seriously >preclude the attendance of many Linux Loving Geeks. All that I can >suggest is that we postpone the Working Bee for a week. Hopefully by >this time we will have all recovered from the high caffeine load and . . . etc __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 21:32:22 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:32:07 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3448 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:31:43 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2KAVUt08269; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:31:31 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: Martin Lange Subject: Re: Fwd: Computerbank Donation Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:24:55 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010320012754.46331.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010320012754.46331.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032021245500.00704@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:27, you wrote: > --- Martin Lange wrote: > > From: "Martin Lange" > > > To: john_coote@rocketmail.com > > Subject: Computerbank Donation > > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:03:40 +1100 > > > > John > > > > I live in Canberra and have a 486SX (including a > > legal copy of Windows 3.1) > > which I would like to donate to Computerbank. How > > would I go about doing > > this? > > > > Martin > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ John, Thank for the offer of the PC, ComputerBank welcomes every bit of equipment this we can get our hands on. Could supply a bit more specifications. The problem getting a PC from Canberra to Sydney will be a interesting case of logistics which can be work on later. As to the software, ComputerBank uses GNU/Linux because of copyright and license problems. On this one ComputerBank declines the offer of Windows3.11. I recommend that perhaps TAD (Technical Aid for the disable) would accept the license. Thanks Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 21:53:25 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:53:07 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3612 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:52:53 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2KAqct08280; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:52:39 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: John Plunkett Subject: Re: Fwd: Software Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:46:02 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010320013315.62276.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010320013315.62276.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032021460201.00704@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:33, you wrote: > > --- MedCure Systems wrote: > > Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:54:14 -0500 > > > From: MedCure Systems > > To: john_coote@rocketmail.com > > Subject: Software > > > > To: John > > From: John Plunkett > > > > I am working with a student in NSW on building a > > nice software suite > > that will run on as little as a Pentium 90 with 16 > > MB of Ram. This > > package would operate even better with more memory > > or a more powerful > > CPU. We have a Pentium 133 with 32 MB of Ram for > > testing. When we get > > it working properly on this computer, can we borrow > > a Pentium 90 with 16 > > MB of Ram for a few days for testing purposes. > > > > The software suite is called the Web Desktop and > > contains the following > > components: > > > > X Windows > > Word Processor > > IRC Chat > > AOL Instant Messenger > > Internet Connections with GUI > > Netscape Browser > > > > Attached is a screen shot. There is still allot of > > work to be done, it > > is going to be a challenge to get all this to work > > effectively on a > > Pentium 90 computer. I know that allot of testing > > and optimization is > > going to be required. If you are able to loan us a > > computer, we would > > make the software available for your membership. I > > look forward to your > > reply. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/jpeg name=Screen7.jpg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: image/pjpeg; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="Screen7.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Screen7.jpg ---------------------------------------- John, Thanks for showing a quiet impressive bit of work. I support the work done by people to develop custom versions of Linux. But heres the hard part, the donation of equipment is based on needs of community groups are first and ComputerBank NSW tries to meet that as a top of the list (as well as incorporation). At present ComputerBank does not have a 'loan' process in place yet. But a machine for a couple of days may be possible. There are three things you can do in the mean time: 1. Come to ComputerBanks next meeting and present your work. 2. Subscribe to the Technical mailing list of ComputerBank and post your work there for review by the Technical people of ComputerBank. 3. And if they agree that the work can be aided by loan equipment, then I believe a more 'formal' submission to NSW ComputerBank based on the feed back from the Technical list. Then I believe that ComputerBank can then meet your requirements. I welcome your feed back on my suggestions. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 21:53:25 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:53:10 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61011 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:52:45 +1100 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA28391 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:57:42 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdNPhtaX; Tue Mar 20 10:57:39 2001 Message-ID: <3AB727D7.8CB5910D@woa.com.au> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:50:15 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: [Fwd: ComputerBank Working Bee] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Murray Waldron wrote: > > G'day Terry, > > I would like to go to the working bee, but I don't know where it is or > what time it is on. Can you let me know these details. Murray Waldron Could someone send Murray the details please. Perhaps post them to the list again for those who have forgotten. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 22:01:37 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:01:20 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3674 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:01:04 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2KB0ut08375; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:00:56 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: Hans Olminkhof , "cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au" Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:54:20 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032021542002.00704@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:42, Hans Olminkhof wrote: > 1. So is the working bee on the 24th? or what ? > > 2. Is anyone going to publish the address at any point? > > Hans > > > > Original message from: "Mark Willis" > > >Hello Everyone, > > > >It appears that the Working Bee on Saturday the 24th of March now > >clashes with the CodeFest that SLUG is running. This may seriously > >preclude the attendance of many Linux Loving Geeks. All that I can > >suggest is that we postpone the Working Bee for a week. Hopefully by > >this time we will have all recovered from the high caffeine load and > > .. > > .. > > .. > > etc > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list Hans, Thanks for the note about SLUG's codefest on Saturday 24th. 36 hours of coding, Coke Cola and pizza may leave the ComputerBank a little thin on the ground for volunteers. David, is it possible to move the date or is the logistics too much to handle for a late change. David, could you call me. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 22:10:48 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:10:41 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4141 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:10:27 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2KBAKt08434 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:10:20 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Meeting Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:03:44 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032022034403.00704@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi everyone, Its not a coding fest, install fest etc but a meeting to propose to the ComputerBank NSW be incorporated into a National organisation. I'm looking at holding the meeting at the hardware bee or I can organise a meeting at The Surry Hills Community Centre hopefully 26th March Monday around 7.30pm. Or we can a discussion by email with closing comments on this suggestion to be finalised by 24th March before I formally approach Computerbank Victoria. So if there is any thiong else to be discussed in a agenda, please post or email me direct. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 20 22:52:58 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:52:41 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:1871 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:52:22 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05644; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:04:14 +1100 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:04:13 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Craig Warner cc: Hans Olminkhof , "cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au" Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) In-Reply-To: <01032021542002.00704@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Last I heard, the working bee was still on, but if there is a good reason to change it, that's fine by me. I don't want to see the boxen rot into the ground is all. The address is in Surry Hills, exact details on a need to know basis. It would be between 12 midday and 7pm (pretty strict time this Saturday as I have other inflexible commitments - other days would be more flexible). Could we have a hands-up of all those who are not effected by code-fest, and those who are effected but would otherwise attend? Personally, I could be there. I think we should have face to face meetings if possible to discuss the future of computer bank. Email leaves a little to be desired. IRC is better for my money, but face to face is best. Regards, David. On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:42, Hans Olminkhof wrote: > > 1. So is the working bee on the 24th? or what ? > > > > 2. Is anyone going to publish the address at any point? > > > > Hans > > > > > > > > Original message from: "Mark Willis" > > > > >Hello Everyone, > > > > > >It appears that the Working Bee on Saturday the 24th of March now > > >clashes with the CodeFest that SLUG is running. This may seriously > > >preclude the attendance of many Linux Loving Geeks. All that I can > > >suggest is that we postpone the Working Bee for a week. Hopefully by > > >this time we will have all recovered from the high caffeine load and > > > > .. > > > > .. > > > > .. > > > > etc > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > Hans, > > Thanks for the note about SLUG's codefest on Saturday 24th. 36 hours of > coding, Coke Cola and pizza may leave the ComputerBank a little thin on the > ground for volunteers. > > David, is it possible to move the date or is the logistics too much to handle > for a late change. > > David, could you call me. > > Regards > > Craig Warner > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 21 07:34:09 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:33:52 +1100 Received: from nhj.nlc.net.au ([203.24.133.1]:24659 "HELO nhj.nlc.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:33:34 +1100 Received: (qmail 12948 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 07:33:28 +1100 X-Filtered: qmail-filter $Revision: 1.6 $ $Date: 2001/02/13 23:41:19 $ Received: from port037.sydney.nlc.net.au (HELO basilnlc) (203.24.133.164) by nhj.nlc.net.au with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 07:33:27 +1100 Message-ID: <003f01c0b185$651add40$a48518cb@basilnlc.net.au.mail.nlc.net.au> Reply-To: "basil" From: "basil" To: Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:33:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I am 100% unable to attend a working bee or meeting on 24th March. It is possible that I could come on the afternoon of 31st March. Basil Potts cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 21 19:28:41 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:28:33 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2991 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:28:17 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.13]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2L8S7t12970 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:28:08 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Goings on Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:21:30 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032119213001.00690@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Ok, We are committed to the working bee this Saturday 24th, as I have classes on this day so I unable to attend. For those who can please contact David at david@kenpro.com.au for location details. The time will be from midday till 5.00pm (sounds better than 7.00pm), in Surry Hills. James Hamilton has put his hand up for the maintenance of the web page(s). Which is great, and thats enough volunteer work to keep any one busy. Thanks. Michael White from Coolah will be in town from from Wednesday till Friday. He has request one of the note books that we have. As ComputerBank structure is not in place yet and that I donot know much of Micheal, I'm a bit reserved about departing with a notebook. Michael seems to be in contact with ComputerBank Victoria talking about what he's up to. I will be in contact with Kylie tomorrow to discuss this and incorporation. I still hope to have a meeting ASAP, I was hoping for next Monday but things are still up in the air. So please keep a eye on the mailing list. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 21 22:22:02 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:21:45 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:2055 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:21:34 +1100 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11711; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:32:24 +1100 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:32:24 +1100 (EST) From: David To: Craig Warner cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Goings on In-Reply-To: <01032119213001.00690@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig: At this point, there are three people with their hands up for this Saturday, including myself. I don't think any of us are particularly up to speed as to configurations, etc, so I don't know that there is much point in going ahead, much as I would love to sit around a hot computer and chew the fat. Nothing turns people off faster than making the effort and nothing coming of it. Can we make a time and try to get a group together the following Sunday? I don't think April Fools' Day should put us off :) At least two other people (yourself?) may be able to come that day, and we can get some serious work done. I'm quite happy to resurrect Saturday if it is going to be useful, but would rather wait and get it right than mess around. If there are others who intended to come Saturday and have not yet spoken up, that may change things. Regards, David McQuire. On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > > > Ok, We are committed to the working bee this Saturday 24th, as I have classes > on this day so I unable to attend. For those who can please contact David at > david@kenpro.com.au for location details. The time will be from midday till > 5.00pm (sounds better than 7.00pm), in Surry Hills. > > James Hamilton has put his hand up for the maintenance of the web page(s). > Which is great, and thats enough volunteer work to keep any one busy. Thanks. > > Michael White from Coolah will be in town from from Wednesday till Friday. He > has request one of the note books that we have. As ComputerBank structure is > not in place yet and that I donot know much of Micheal, I'm a bit reserved > about departing with a notebook. Michael seems to be in contact with > ComputerBank Victoria talking about what he's up to. > > I will be in contact with Kylie tomorrow to discuss this and incorporation. > > > I still hope to have a meeting ASAP, I was hoping for next Monday but things > are still up in the air. So please keep a eye on the mailing list. > > Craig > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 21 22:37:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:37:05 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61735 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:36:48 +1100 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA01680; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:41:28 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdVQL7RV; Wed Mar 21 11:41:21 2001 Message-ID: <3AB8838A.7C77350E@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:33:46 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Goings on References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox David wrote: > > Craig: > > At this point, there are three people with their hands up for this > Saturday, including myself. I don't think any of us are particularly up to > speed as to configurations, etc, so I don't know that there is much point > in going ahead, much as I would love to sit around a hot computer and chew > the fat. Nothing turns people off faster than making the effort and > nothing coming of it. Well, what are you planning on doing? HW? In my general experience, once you know the HW works, it will either install or it wont. We had two frustrating weekends attempting to get debian onto the sparcs and no success. I put in the RH CD and everything went great. > If there are others who intended to come Saturday and have not yet spoken > up, that may change things. Send me location. Looks like I'm now able to come in. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 21 23:25:36 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:25:20 +1100 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:49077 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:25:10 +1100 Received: from cbnsw (muras-remote120.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.7.134]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id f2LCNC413299; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:23:17 +1100 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: nik lam To: David , Craig Warner Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:15:40 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032123154000.00313@cbnsw> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > Could we have a hands-up of all those who are not effected by code-fest, > and those who are effected but would otherwise attend? Personally, I could > be there. I can make it on saturday. i am getting itchy fingers about this. Perhaps those of us who can make it should, and get as much as possible done - if we run into technical problems requiring the expertise of people who might have been pulled away by the codefest, we can hold another meet the following weekend (or something). > > I think we should have face to face meetings if possible to discuss the > future of computer bank. Email leaves a little to be desired. IRC is > better for my money, but face to face is best. I must say, I tend to agree. I have a tendancy to ignore electronic communication for extended periods (days on end) when im feeling overrun (as in the past week or so). That said, I would not be hugely opposed to something like irc, or, if it was absolutely necessary, email. hope to see some people on saturday.... :) nik cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Mar 21 23:55:36 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:55:28 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:3939 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:55:06 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2LCtJo01522; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:55:19 +1100 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:55:19 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: Craig Warner cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Goings on In-Reply-To: <01032119213001.00690@linux> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > I will be in contact with Kylie tomorrow to discuss this and incorporation. Craig Can you just mention my off the wall idea about getting an open source project happening to look at online lodgemetn etc of donations for CB natioanlly. I am happy to drive a national project if anyone from vic or other states are interested. Cheers JH cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 00:00:08 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:59:46 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:4009 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:59:28 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2LCxXV01645; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:59:33 +1100 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:59:32 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: nik lam cc: David , Craig Warner , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Re: Working Bee on Saturday 24th March (Was : A hardware donation, old monitors, selling HW.) In-Reply-To: <01032123154000.00313@cbnsw> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, nik lam wrote: > > > Could we have a hands-up of all those who are not effected by code-fest, > > and those who are effected but would otherwise attend? Personally, I could > > be there. > I will be there. > > > > > I think we should have face to face meetings if possible to discuss the > > future of computer bank. Email leaves a little to be desired. IRC is > > better for my money, but face to face is best. > > I must say, I tend to agree. I have a tendancy to ignore electronic > communication for extended periods (days on end) when im feeling overrun (as > in the past week or so). That said, I would not be hugely opposed to > something like irc, or, if it was absolutely necessary, email. > Ok, I will put on the web development list a chat room. While I am at it, do we just want to hang off the cb-vic website, or do we want our own. My employer will donate server space, that way we can chat etc off it. Just a thought. Maybe the the best thing I can do is set up some online voting options?? :) Cheers JH cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 01:37:49 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:37:32 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61800 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:37:09 +1100 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA02240; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:42:07 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdXcm9vr; Wed Mar 21 14:42:05 2001 Message-ID: <3AB8ADE4.BF467E2A@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:34:28 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hamilton CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: WWW.CBNSW.ORG.AU ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox James Hamilton wrote: > ...snip.... > > While I am at it, do we just want to hang off the cb-vic website, or do we > want our own. My employer will donate server space, that way we can chat > etc off it. Just my 2c. I've got no objections to being on your employers boxen, if that makes it easy for you. BUT The site should be built on bog standard linux software, so that someone else can take it on in the future without it having to be rebuilt. What about DNS www.cbnsw.org.au ?? -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 08:39:32 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:39:23 +1100 Received: from web12502.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.194]:4377 "HELO web12502.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:39:00 +1100 Message-ID: <20010321213849.47653.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web12502.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:38:49 PST Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: Goings on To: David Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox David I'll be available for a few hours either day John Coote --- David wrote: > > Craig: > > At this point, there are three people with their > hands up for this > Saturday, including myself. I don't think any of us > are particularly up to > speed as to configurations, etc, so I don't know > that there is much point > in going ahead, much as I would love to sit around a > hot computer and chew > the fat. Nothing turns people off faster than making > the effort and > nothing coming of it. > > Can we make a time and try to get a group together > the following Sunday? I > don't think April Fools' Day should put us off :) > At least two other > people (yourself?) may be able to come that day, and > we can get some > serious work done. I'm quite happy to resurrect > Saturday if it is going to > be useful, but would rather wait and get it right > than mess around. > > If there are others who intended to come Saturday > and have not yet spoken > up, that may change things. > > Regards, David McQuire. > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > > > > > > > Ok, We are committed to the working bee this > Saturday 24th, as I have classes > > on this day so I unable to attend. For those who > can please contact David at > > david@kenpro.com.au for location details. The time > will be from midday till > > 5.00pm (sounds better than 7.00pm), in Surry > Hills. > > > > James Hamilton has put his hand up for the > maintenance of the web page(s). > > Which is great, and thats enough volunteer work to > keep any one busy. Thanks. > > > > Michael White from Coolah will be in town from > from Wednesday till Friday. He > > has request one of the note books that we have. As > ComputerBank structure is > > not in place yet and that I donot know much of > Micheal, I'm a bit reserved > > about departing with a notebook. Michael seems to > be in contact with > > ComputerBank Victoria talking about what he's up > to. > > > > I will be in contact with Kylie tomorrow to > discuss this and incorporation. > > > > > > I still hope to have a meeting ASAP, I was hoping > for next Monday but things > > are still up in the air. So please keep a eye on > the mailing list. > > > > Craig > > > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 13:25:56 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:25:48 +1100 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:1820 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:25:26 +1100 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2M2Phs10919; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:25:43 +1100 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:25:43 +1100 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: Terry Collins cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: WWW.CBNSW.ORG.AU ? In-Reply-To: <3AB8ADE4.BF467E2A@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > Just my 2c. > I've got no objections to being on your employers boxen, if that makes > it easy for you. > Makes no difference to me. It was just an offer of free hosting/bandwidth. If we prefer we can use David's kind offer of server space. We serve in a fairly standard RH7 environment. I would like mysql and php. > What about DNS > www.cbnsw.org.au ?? simpel and gets my vote. any other suggestions. I will leave the suggestion box open till Monday (email me direct if you like) and if there any alternatives, we can conduct a vote. Cheers JH cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 19:58:03 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:57:55 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:1422 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:57:40 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.10]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2M8vNt15629 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:57:23 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Goings On Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:50:36 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032219503600.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox OK folks, Those who are on the ComputerBank mailing, the hardware fest is still on. If you need address details, you need to contact David by email: david@kenpro.com.au. By the way of those who are on the mailing list, who we have not heard from but read with interest, drop us a email to like us know that you are out there. Today I spoke to Kylie in Melbourne on various subjects. The first of these was the general comment that we (NSW) should be incorporated under a national banner but with semi auto State run organisation. She has agreed to this and will be sending out the paperwork for discussion for what is need to be in place. ComputerBank Victoria will be moving soon to there own server. As they are being maintained under the linux.org.au out of WA. With this will we have our own email addresses under the computerbank.org.au. We can still have have a individual web server based in NSW, at least the equipment is available now. Now to the meeting, I have approached Surry Hills community centre but they are booked up during week nights for a couple of weeks but are usually free Saturday/Sunday. If the weekend is suitable, let me know. I've also approach South Sydney Council and they have a meeting room in Kings Cross in the Maclean Street Library. But I have to wait till Friday to find out how and when. May also approach the council for some work space, see what happens! So the meeting is still up in the air, so keep an eye on the list. I gather that one of the corporate donors will have a large amount of equipement for us to pick up very soon. So we need to have a work space, incorporation and any thing else fast. As well as clients. I made the suggest that any 486's donated should not be scrapped, but used as a marketing tool. I like grand ideas but a volunteer organisation with a supercomputer (ie beowulf cluster) in the corner does turn heads and get press, may interest some students to volunteer. Now to some aministration tasks, we have a web master now I looking for a person to start a basic spreadsheet using gnumeric for equipment register. So if your interested. Email me or the list. Another administration task, is the books, using GNUCash. Once again if any one is interested in starting this project. Email me or the list. Now thats enough from me, I'm hungry and its late. Bye Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 20:04:16 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:04:09 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:1741 "EHLO 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:03:45 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.10]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2M93bt15658 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:03:38 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Fwd: ComputerBank Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:56:59 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032219565902.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: ComputerBank Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:55:23 +1100 From: Craig Warner To: umarani Hi, You are more than welcome to volunteer with computerbank. My I suggest that you subscribe to the mailing list. This is localled on the following site: www.linux.org.au We have a working bee this Saturday, if your interested. Regards Craig Warner ------------------------------------------------------- cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 22 22:43:39 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:22 +1100 Received: from snowy.nsw.cmis.CSIRO.AU ([130.155.16.108]:64994 "HELO snowy.nsw.cmis.CSIRO.AU") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:43:15 +1100 Received: by snowy.nsw.cmis.CSIRO.AU (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA10750; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:42:48 +1100 Received: from pfe010.home.nsw.cmis.CSIRO.AU(130.155.24.112), claiming to be "klee.nsw.cmis.csiro.au" via SMTP by snowy.nsw.cmis.CSIRO.AU, id smtpdAAAa002bq; Thu Mar 22 22:42:42 2001 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010322222507.007a7bf0@pophost.nsw.cmis.csiro.au> X-Sender: pfe010@pophost.nsw.cmis.csiro.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:25:07 +0100 To: craigw@blue.net.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Silvia Pfeiffer Subject: Re: Goings On In-Reply-To: <01032219503600.00717@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi everyone, thus pushed, I'll introduce myself to the list. I'm Silvia from Germany working at CSIRO in North Ryde. I am interested in the aim of ComputerBank when it comes to supporting people or organisations that cannot afford computer hardware or training. I'm myself a bit of a linux geek and will thus also be at the SLUG codefest and not be able to attend on Saturday. In addition, I have a family and am thus quite busy. Yet I'd like to help or support ComputerBank where I can. I'd like to find out more about it during one of the next meetings first though. So don't expect too much of me. For now I'll mainly read the list .... Cheers, Silvia. At 19:50 22.03.2001 +1100, Craig Warner wrote: > >OK folks, > >Those who are on the ComputerBank mailing, the hardware fest is still on. If >you need address details, you need to contact David by email: >david@kenpro.com.au. > >By the way of those who are on the mailing list, who we have not heard from >but read with interest, drop us a email to like us know that you are out >there. > >Today I spoke to Kylie in Melbourne on various subjects. The first of these >was the general comment that we (NSW) should be incorporated under a national >banner but with semi auto State run organisation. She has agreed to this and >will be sending out the paperwork for discussion for what is need to be in >place. > >ComputerBank Victoria will be moving soon to there own server. As they are >being maintained under the linux.org.au out of WA. With this will we have our >own email addresses under the computerbank.org.au. > >We can still have have a individual web server based in NSW, at least the >equipment is available now. > >Now to the meeting, I have approached Surry Hills community centre but they >are booked up during week nights for a couple of weeks but are usually free >Saturday/Sunday. If the weekend is suitable, let me know. > >I've also approach South Sydney Council and they have a meeting room in Kings >Cross in the Maclean Street Library. But I have to wait till Friday to find >out how and when. May also approach the council for some work space, see what >happens! > >So the meeting is still up in the air, so keep an eye on the list. > >I gather that one of the corporate donors will have a large amount of >equipement for us to pick up very soon. So we need to have a work space, >incorporation and any thing else fast. As well as clients. > >I made the suggest that any 486's donated should not be scrapped, but used as >a marketing tool. I like grand ideas but a volunteer organisation with a >supercomputer (ie beowulf cluster) in the corner does turn heads and get >press, may interest some students to volunteer. > >Now to some aministration tasks, we have a web master now I looking for a >person to start a basic spreadsheet using gnumeric for equipment register. So >if your interested. Email me or the list. > >Another administration task, is the books, using GNUCash. Once again if any >one is interested in starting this project. Email me or the list. > >Now thats enough from me, I'm hungry and its late. > >Bye > >Craig > > > >cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 23 20:15:04 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:14:45 +1100 Received: from [203.32.168.242] ([203.32.168.242]:2983 "EHLO ns1.knet.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:14:34 +1100 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2N8NEZ04890 for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au.AVP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:23:14 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2N8Mqe04881; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:22:58 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.12]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2N9DIi18313; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:13:18 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: MedCure Systems , craigw@blue.net.au Subject: Re: Fwd: Software Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:06:37 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010320013315.62276.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> <01032021460201.00704@linux> <3ABA180A.C8C4B1FC@icubed.com> In-Reply-To: <3ABA180A.C8C4B1FC@icubed.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032320063700.00979@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.knet.net.au id f2N8Mqe04881 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John, Thanks for the reply. Most of the software evaluation for ComputerBank is conducted by the Victoria Office. As a National Organisation, ComputerBank has input from all developers such as the Debian group, ComputerBank Technical List and Linux Users Groups such as SLUG (www.slug.org.au). Because of the spread l;inux developers around the nation most of discussion is done on the Technical mailing list. I've started the ball rolling by getting the paper work in order to 'loan' equipment to developers. Could tell ComputerBank a bit more about your students? Regards Craig Warner On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:19, MedCure Systems wrote: > To: Craig > From: John Plunkett > > Do you have any type of software evaluation process in place. Could we > start the process by preparing a special version of out Linux desktop for > your technicians that perform installations on these refurbished computers. > This could be done more readily then all the work involved with a loaner > computer and would be far more productive for all parties. Our intention > is to target the installation to take approximately 10 minutes and it could > be done on several computers at the same time. We would get valuable > feedback and would work to address any needs that could better service your > clients. > > After the evaluation by the technicians, we would be willing to participate > in an evaluation of the package by the end users. All parties would > benefit greatly from this type of arrangement. This would have to be done > on a small scale at first, but it would be nice to proceed in a manner that > builds towards a complete Web Based evaluation process that is readily > accessible to the technicians and end users. I look forward to your reply. > > Thanks, > > Craig Warner wrote: > > John, > > > > Thanks for showing a quiet impressive bit of work. > > > > I support the work done by people to develop custom versions of Linux. > > But heres the hard part, the donation of equipment is based on needs of > > community groups are first and ComputerBank NSW tries to meet that as a > > top of the list (as well as incorporation). > > > > At present ComputerBank does not have a 'loan' process in place yet. But > > a machine for a couple of days may be possible. > > > > There are three things you can do in the mean time: > > 1. Come to ComputerBanks next meeting and present your work. > > 2. Subscribe to the Technical mailing list of ComputerBank and post your > > work there for review by the Technical people of ComputerBank. > > 3. And if they agree that the work can be aided by loan equipment, then I > > believe a more 'formal' submission to NSW ComputerBank based on the feed > > back from the Technical list. Then I believe that ComputerBank can then > > meet your requirements. > > > > I welcome your feed back on my suggestions. > > > > Regards > > > > Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 23 20:46:48 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:46:30 +1100 Received: from [203.32.168.242] ([203.32.168.242]:3087 "EHLO ns1.knet.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:46:16 +1100 Received: (from root@localhost) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2N8tek05169 for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au.AVP; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:55:40 +1100 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (dialup_3.knet.net.au [192.168.11.103]) by ns1.knet.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2N8tce05161 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:55:39 +1100 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.12]) by 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f2N9k7i18357 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:46:07 +1100 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Goings on 23/03/01 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:39:26 +1100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032320392601.00979@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ns1.knet.net.au id f2N8tce05161 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, Last night I got to meet Michael White from Coolah. The discussion was short as it was late at night but we talked about ComputerBank and whats happening at Coolah. I must say that ComputerBank NSW must not forget that outside Newcastle, Sydney and Wollongong, hence NSW. There are other rural and regional clients that ComputerBank should make special effort to address. With people like Michael who came from the blue should be supported in every way possible. So last night I handed across a loan notebook and a copy of RedHat, Turbolinux and Debian. This unit will be used to demo the equipment that can be make available to clients in the rural and regional areas. I believe that perhaps myself and one or two others should make a trip out to Coolah to see, observe and comment on what is happening and what Computerbank can do for this region as a starter. A special hello to Silvia, glad to hear from you. Just coming out of the blue to say hello is good enough. I believe the good thing people like Silvia can is spread the word of ComputerBank and its aim. Keep in touch, Silvia. What distro's to use? Everyone has their flavor of Linux distro's to use. Whether its RedHat, SUSE, Caldera, TurboLinux etc etc. Just remember these are all commercial distributions. The difficulty is what ComputerBank should use. I'm sorry to say that ComputerBank Victoria uses Debian, and I believe that NSW ComputerBank should also look at a non commercial Distro's. I feel that Niks right about the apt-get is a workhorse of a program that suits the aim of ComputerBank. As to GUI, remember ComputerBank is looking as applications such as word processing etc so our clients ready don't care what it runs as long as it runs. As for KDE/Gnome, six of one or half a dozen of another, just remember clients are not interested as long as it works. Ok, planning for the next meeting, I need to know what nights or weekends are suitable for a majority of people so I can arrange a room in King Cross Maclean Street library. Tuesdays evenings and all day Saturday are out for me. So whats your opinion? Oh, David sorry I still at class this Saturday. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 25 10:49:43 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:49:35 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63574 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:49:20 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA17583 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:43 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpd8ga2D0; Sun Mar 25 00:54:34 2001 Message-ID: <3ABD31D0.28E4ED8C@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 09:46:24 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: Work Day Rep Sat 24th Mar 01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I would like to thank David for hosting the day. And Nik for organising the installation stuff and setting up the laptop. The surprise of the day was that all systems were good Pentium based, about 133MHz. Basically, we dragged out a few systems and had fiddle. About 2 and a half systems were installed with Debian 2.2, with another system having a suspect CDrom. The network card in the IBM box that we looked at was replaced with an Etherlink II cards as we couldn't find info about it on the WWW. The Etherlink worked, so I will reserve the other Etherlink III I have in my surplus hardware list for Computer Bank. There was a bit of problems with CDrom drives. I've previously had trouble with some brands (16-32x) not being recognised under Linux, but some of our problem turned out to be cables and BIOS settings. The IBM HW can be tricky as if things are not right, you just don't see stuff. Hint, if Linux doesn't see a CDrom when you boot on a Linux install floppy, then you are not going anywhere. Root password is "Basil" Systems were named cbnsw1, cbnsw,2, etc.... IP were 192.168.1.1, 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.4 etc We've decided to write tech details of HW inside the system case I think it was a successful day. A few people gained some hands on Linux install experience and we inspected a bit of the hardware (Dell and IBM boxen). Others can add their 2c, additions/corrections. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Mar 25 11:15:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:14:47 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63580 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:14:40 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA17644 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:20:04 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdKN3OLm; Sun Mar 25 01:20:02 2001 Message-ID: <3ABD37C8.98319074@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:11:52 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: Work Day Practicalities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Just my 2c on things, mainly bulk installs. A few questions. I'd like people to throw in ideas and thoughts as well. Is it possible for Computerbank to have an ftp server for bulk network installs? Does Debian do this okay? The alternative is to role a number of sets of installation media. When, we get permanent premises, it will be easy to set one of these up. For now, would it be possbile to keep one of the laptops and base station? I noticed that the base station had a scsi port on it. My thinking was that if we could get an external tower with a number of scsi drives in it, then we could have one of the laptops as a portable ftp server/gateway. We also need to be clear about the purpose of the HW that we are setting up, .i.e. what applications need to be installed and always go for the bare minimum. Is it feasible to also look at building an "image" for a ghosting at each site? My apologies for the MS world speak. I'm thinking maintenance. If we can have a one floppy generated re-install for the systems, then it will reduce the demand for support. Any problems and someone at the site just pops in a floppy and reboots and the system is completely re-installed. We only get involved if this doesn't fix something. We might also need to disable the debian apt-get system or make it work only off the site server. Can we agree on a default IP network of 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 with servers/gateways being 192.168.1.200+? -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Mar 26 13:02:11 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:02:03 +1000 Received: from [203.108.93.66] ([203.108.93.66]:1310 "HELO mail.coolahddg.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:01:48 +1000 Received: from michael (unverified [203.102.215.107]) by mail.coolahddg.com.au (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:02:35 +0100 Message-ID: <200103261402500060.0A1CE09D@mail.coolahddg.com.au> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:02:50 -0800 Reply-To: michael@coolahddg.com.au From: "Michael C White" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Operating Systems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I have a couple of 386's one an sx They are both laptops with no cd and black and white screens I have a laplink cable. Any one got any ideas about a decent os (not dos) I can put on them and how I can do it Please. I got Red Hat 7.0 installed on a pentium 150 over the weekend. Most impressed, my first linux installation. Regards Michael White cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 27 06:42:03 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:40:42 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64057 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:10:49 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21539; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:16:07 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdjBqmid; Mon Mar 26 04:16:06 2001 Message-ID: <3ABEB280.3A45C2FB@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:07:44 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael@coolahddg.com.au CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Operating Systems References: <200103261402500060.0A1CE09D@mail.coolahddg.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Michael C White wrote: > > I have a couple of 386's one an sx > They are both laptops with no cd > and black and white screens > I have a laplink cable. > Any one got any ideas about a decent > os (not dos) I can put on them and > how I can do it Please. The real question is what do you want to do with these? Dos, is a decent OS. You could use Caldera/DR Dos, if you don't like MS DOS. I would do something like DOS, plus WordPerfect Office (shell menu) + WP Draw, + Word Perfect5.1 and other apps. Can linux run on a 386SX. I am assuming that you don't want X. Either you are going to have to look at full floppy install (perhaps older distro, then upgrade, or a one floppy distro and upgrade), or find a Parallel port Cdrom drive or find a version of linux that does PLIP (parrallel port networking) and then FTP install. OS/2 and a parallel port CDrom drive might be a goer. There are parallel port network devices around, but I gave away the two I had a few months ago. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 27 06:42:14 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 06:40:52 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:3386 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:26:54 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09675; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:33:47 +1000 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:33:47 +1000 (EST) From: David To: Terry Collins cc: cbnsw Subject: Re: Work Day Practicalities In-Reply-To: <3ABD37C8.98319074@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox What I found interesting about the day was how hotch-potch hardware can hold things up. I seriously imagined that we would do base installs on about 10 machines. The hold up was invariably strange proprietry cards, dodgy cd drives etc. Once installed, the machines were fine. It was also fun blowing away all those windows partitions, but that just displays my prejudice :-) >From an end users point of view, this should be no problem at all, but it can be time consuming for us. IMHO, the exercise is a great way for experienced to impart knowledge to newbies, while actually doing something useful. It's a bit like an installfest on steroids. It's also a good chance to hone skills (Nik's ftp server, for instance). Terry: I think this is where Nik was heading with his ftp server set up. I strongly believe that we need to have a clear idea of end use before we set up too many machines though. What apps., printers, net connections, etc. All in all, though, I think it was a good starting point As for venue, my place is available although I don't think it's entirely perfect. We need a meeting soon to establish where we are going. Any progress Craig? David. On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > Just my 2c on things, mainly bulk installs. > > A few questions. I'd like people to throw in ideas and thoughts as well. > > Is it possible for Computerbank to have an ftp server for bulk network > installs? > Does Debian do this okay? > The alternative is to role a number of sets of installation media. > > > When, we get permanent premises, it will be easy to set one of these up. > For now, would it be possbile to keep one of the laptops and base > station? > I noticed that the base station had a scsi port on it. My thinking was > that if we could get an external tower with a number of scsi drives in > it, then we could have one of the laptops as a portable ftp > server/gateway. > > > We also need to be clear about the purpose of the HW that we are setting > up, .i.e. what applications need to be installed and always go for the > bare minimum. > > Is it feasible to also look at building an "image" for a ghosting at > each site? My apologies for the MS world speak. I'm thinking > maintenance. If we can have a one floppy generated re-install for the > systems, then it will reduce the demand for support. Any problems and > someone at the site just pops in a floppy and reboots and the system is > completely re-installed. We only get involved if this doesn't fix > something. > > We might also need to disable the debian apt-get system or make it work > only off the site server. > > > Can we agree on a default IP network of 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 with > servers/gateways being 192.168.1.200+? > > > > > > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 27 12:21:29 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:21:11 +1000 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:64071 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:20:58 +1000 Received: from OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (ocs1.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.6.13]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f2R2Ki417328; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:20:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from OCS1/SpoolDir by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 27 Mar 01 12:23:48 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by OCS1 (Mercury 1.44); 27 Mar 01 12:23:45 +1000 Received: from cbnsw (137.111.15.4) by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 27 Mar 01 12:23:40 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: nik lam To: Terry Collins , cbnsw Subject: Re: Work Day Practicalities Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:20:28 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3ABD37C8.98319074@woa.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3ABD37C8.98319074@woa.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032708043602.00300@cbnsw> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sunday 25 March 2001 10:11, Terry Collins wrote: > Just my 2c on things, mainly bulk installs. > > A few questions. I'd like people to throw in ideas and thoughts as well. > > Is it possible for Computerbank to have an ftp server for bulk network > installs? > Does Debian do this okay? >From what i can gather from their posts to cb-technical, CBV are using debian in this way. > The alternative is to role a number of sets of installation media. This would be a nice idea too. > > > When, we get permanent premises, it will be easy to set one of these up. > For now, would it be possbile to keep one of the laptops and base > station? I had the same idea - And once every couple of months or so, the machine could be taken somewhere with a speedy internet connection and an rsync or a mirror operation done, to update packages. > I noticed that the base station had a scsi port on it. My thinking was > that if we could get an external tower with a number of scsi drives in > it, then we could have one of the laptops as a portable ftp > server/gateway. > > > We also need to be clear about the purpose of the HW that we are setting > up, .i.e. what applications need to be installed and always go for the > bare minimum. I suppose it would make sense for someone to visit these places with an example laptop - show them the apps that we could provide and let them pick and choose (within limits). I guess in general, we can safely assume that any desktop machine will need an office suite and a web browser. Bare minimum is a good point. So far, ive only discovered "apt-get install task-kde", which installs a stack of other kde apps (which are easy enough to hide from end users....). > > Is it feasible to also look at building an "image" for a ghosting at > each site? My apologies for the MS world speak. I'm thinking > maintenance. If we can have a one floppy generated re-install for the > systems, then it will reduce the demand for support. Any problems and > someone at the site just pops in a floppy and reboots and the system is > completely re-installed. We only get involved if this doesn't fix > something. Do you mean having a CD with all the packages on it, and then doing a reinstall? or do you mean having a CD with the actual hard drive image on it and using something like ghost or dd to reinstall? I guess either is just question of expertise. I could fairly easily set something up using proprietry software, but i have no idea with free software :(. > > We might also need to disable the debian apt-get system or make it work > only off the site server. afaik, apt wont do anything by itself unless you set up a scheduled job for it to do so. Its very easy to point it to the mirror server of your choice. > > > Can we agree on a default IP network of 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 with > servers/gateways being 192.168.1.200+? sounds plain & simple to me... :) nik cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Mar 27 17:19:43 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:19:25 +1000 Received: from sunny.pacific.net.au ([210.23.129.40]:62300 "EHLO sunny.pacific.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:19:16 +1000 Received: from wisma.pacific.net.au (wisma.pacific.net.au [210.23.129.72]) by sunny.pacific.net.au with ESMTP id RAA25914 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:19:11 +1000 (EST) From: a_tester@pacific.net.au Received: from user (ppp182.dyn143.pacific.net.au [210.23.143.182]) by wisma.pacific.net.au with SMTP id RAA02519 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:18:49 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200103270718.RAA02519@wisma.pacific.net.au> To: cbnsw Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:18:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Computer's In-reply-to: <3AAB2744.B6BF4540@woa.com.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Date sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:20:36 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures To: a_tester@pacific.net.au Copies to: cbnsw Subject: Re: Computer Bank > a_tester@pacific.net.au wrote: > > > > G'Day > > > > You may (or may not) remember me, A couple of weeks ago I > > drove my brother down to you to pick up a Sun. Anyway, I have > > about 8 computers that I wish to donate to Computer Bank and as > > you were talking with my brother about them, I was wondering if > > you could give me any details so I can get in contact with them? > > Send a message to the list CC'd with this message. > Please give details of what you have available, condition, when you > would like them collected, where from, etc. > > Thanks > > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > $_='while(read+STDIN,$_,2048){$a=29;$b=73;$c=142;$t=255;@t=map{$_%16or$t^=$c^=( > $m=(11,10,116,100,11,122,20,100)[$_/16%8])&110;$t^=(72,@z=(64,72,$a^=12*($_%16 > -2?0:$m&17)),$b^=$_%64?12:0,@z)[$_%8]}(16..271);if((@a=unx"C*",$_)[20]&48){$h > =5;$_=unxb24,join"",@b=map{xB8,unxb8,chr($_^$a[--$h+84])}@ARGV;s/...$/1$&/;$ > d=unxV,xb25,$_;$e=256|(ord$b[4])<<9|ord$b[3];$d=$d8^($f=$t&($d12^$d4^ > $d^$d/8))<<17,$e=$e8^($t&($g=($q=$e14&7^$e)^$q*8^$q<<6))<<9,$_=$t[$_]^ > (($h=8)+=$f+(~$g&$t))for@a[128..$#a]}print+x"C*",@a}';s/x/pack+/g;eval > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" Hi, OK, heres what I have. Everything is seperate at the moment as you will see from the list below. You can have them as is or I can make up computers for you if you want. There is no Hard drives with these computers but I have some screws and HDD cables for all, but no power cables. You can have as many as you want/need and can pick them up any weekend, although I am completely happy to deliver them to you Here's the list:- 150 MHz IBM 6x86L PR200+ Mini Tower 3.5" Floppy drive Power Supply (This one was our PC but stopped working after a thunderstorm. I believe the floppy drive and power supply are still OK.) 133 MHz Intel Pentium Dell ATX Onboard S3 Trio 64V+ Sound (Unknown make) Ethernet Desktop (Cover missing) 3.5" Floppy drive Power Supply (This doesn't work. Motherboard still OK.) 133 MHz Intel Pentium ASI Computer Desktop 3.5" Floppy drive Power Supply 75 MHz Intel Pentium ASI Computer Desktop 3.5" Floppy drive Power Supply 75 MHz Intel Pentium ASI Computer Desktop 3.5" Floppy drive Power Supply 90 MHz Intel Pentium Tower (No cover) 3.5" Floppy drive NO Power Supply 25 MHz Intel 486 SX Osborne Desktop 3.5" Floppy drive Power Supply Other assorted items Video Cards 2x S3 Trio 64V+ Ver 1.1 1x S3 Trio Virge Ver 1.3 1x Eagle S76X With S3 Trio 64V+ chip 1x Trident RAM 2x 16Meg Pairs (8 Meg per Simm) 1x 8Meg Pairs (4 Meg per Simm) 1x 8Meg Pairs (4 Meg per Simm) (Non-matching Simms) 1x 8Meg Pairs (4 Meg per Simm) (These are Non-matching. I can swap one with my brother but that will be at Easter) Keyboards 4x "Win 95" Keyboards (Not PS2) 1x Older Style (No windows Keys) (Not PS2) Misc 2x AT Transformers See ya Andrew Tester cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 21:52:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:52:26 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3847 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:52:07 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31BnwE07144; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:49:59 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: basildal@smartchat.net.au Subject: Re: Fwd: Recycling computers Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:49:34 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010330041618.76121.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010330041618.76121.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040121493403.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Basil, Sorry for the slow reply. Undermanned and over emailed. ComputerBank is interested in all PC's. Linux can fitted onto 1.44mb floppy can run on a 386. From tiny linux to clusters, the choice is yours. ComputerBank is interested in all machines. Regards Craig Warner On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:16, John Coote wrote: > --- Basil Dale wrote: > > Reply-to: "Basil Dale" > > From: "Basil Dale" > > To: > > Subject: Recycling computers > > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:31:30 +1000 > > > > Are you interested in 486SX33 with 8 meg ram 1.44 > > floppy and 200 meg hard disk, no monitor ? I read > > about your project at the web site. What is minimum > > HDD for Linux ? In magazines I have seen that Linux > > in all its glory needs 500 megs space. It might be > > a cut-down version used by your team. Kind > > regards. I'm in Wollstonecraft, near Crows Nest. > > Basil Dale > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 21:56:06 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:55:49 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3852 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:55:42 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31BrhE07151; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:53:45 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: peter.hua@noie.gov.au Subject: Re: Fwd: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:53:19 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010330041816.44334.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010330041816.44334.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040121531904.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Peter, ComputerBank at the moment is going through at the moment the legal nice things of being incorporated. I'm taking over for now from John who is being veryy busy at being a new dad. Sorry this is so short but this is email number ten this evening. Which department do you represent? Regards Craig Warner On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:18, John Coote wrote: > --- "Huta, Peter" wrote: > > From: "Huta, Peter" > > To: "'john_coote@rocketmail.com'" > > > > Subject: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:26 +1000 > > > > Dear John > > > > Greatly appreciate any material you can please > > e-mail me about the Computer > > Bank project in NSW. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Peter Huta > > Access Branch > > NOIE > > http://www.noie.gov.au > > tel: 02 6271 1047 > > Peter.Huta@noie.gov.au > > > > 30/3/01 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:14:12 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:13:54 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4426 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:13:42 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31CBVE07188; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:11:32 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: MedCure Systems Subject: Re: Fwd: Software Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:11:07 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20010320013315.62276.qmail@web12504.mail.yahoo.com> <01032320063700.00979@linux> <3ABF6C05.AAEBB000@icubed.com> In-Reply-To: <3ABF6C05.AAEBB000@icubed.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040122110706.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John, I wait to see the work. Craig On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:19, MedCure Systems wrote: > To: Craig > From: John Plunkett > > Craig Warner wrote: > > I've started the ball rolling by getting the paper work in order to > > 'loan' equipment to developers. > > > > Could you tell ComputerBank a bit more about your students? > > Please excuse the delay, I was hoping to get you more information on the > Installation program with this reply. On the positive side, we decided to > make it more comprehensive which is taking alittle longer. It would be > best if you could wait a few more days so that accurate information on the > installation program can be provided. When the installation program is > fully defined, we can work on the best means of testing the program. Your > idea of providing a copy for testing program in Victoria has merit, but I > want to get Jonathan's thoughts on this topic. At this time, his focus is > on the installation program and school work. Your prompt attention to our > requests is appreciated. We look forward to working with you on this > project. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:16:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:16:27 +1000 Received: from isurp2.det.nsw.edu.au ([153.107.41.146]:3914 "EHLO isurp2.dmzs.det.nsw.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:16:03 +1000 Received: from itfsmtp2.central.det.win ([153.107.8.50]) by isurp2.dmzs.det.nsw.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA17230 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:15:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from proxy.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au (not verified[153.107.8.50]) by itfsmtp2.central.det.win with MailMarshal (4,0,9,0) id ; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 22:15:56 +1000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by proxy.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13483 for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:27:05 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: proxy.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au: nobody set sender to vanzantn@nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au using -f To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: What Can _I_ do with a 486? Message-ID: <986164025.3ac7ab3935966@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:27:05 +1000 (EST) From: Frank van Zanten MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.4 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I work in a high school. We have 15 486 computers. The base configuration is 4 Mb Ram, 105 Mb hard disk. Several have been upgraded to 8 or 16Mb ram and hard disks up to 540 Mb. These machines have served us well over a number of years but now receive little use due to a large number of Pentium computers running Windows 9x on a Novell network being present in our school. Whilst I do not have a large amount of money available, would anyone have an idea for a linux based use for these computers in our school, preferably student based? I may be able to use a Pentium 3 to act as a terminal server. Frank van Zanten Computer Coordinator Nepean High School ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:19:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:19:28 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4753 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:19:15 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31CH4E07217; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:17:04 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cyeoh@samba.org Subject: Re: Fwd: We have computers to donate Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:16:40 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010327015308.92861.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010327015308.92861.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040122164008.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Chris, Sorry for the delay. Computerbank is registered in Victoria but in a few weeks will be a national charity. At the moment there is no branch in Canberra. Transport can be arranged if any of ComputerBank people are going to Canberra in the near future or we can pay if necessary. Regards Craig Warner On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:53, John Coote wrote: > --- Chris Yeoh wrote: > Date: Tue, > 27 Mar 2001 10:15:07 +1000 > > > From: Chris Yeoh > > To: john_coote@rocketmail.com > > Subject: We have computers to donate > > > > Hi John, > > > > We may possibly have several computers to donate to > > computerbank. Can > > you tell me if you are a registered charity? (This > > may be required for > > tax reasons). > > > > Also do you know if there is a branch in Canberra > > that is able to > > accept donations? If not, are you able to pay > > shipping for machines to > > Sydney from here? > > > > The computers would most likely be celeron machines, > > a year or two > > old, some maybe newer/faster than that. We might > > have some monitors > > available as well. We'll know better later in the > > week what we have to > > donate, but will need to get rid of the equipment by > > about the 9th of > > April. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris. > > > > ps. This has nothing to do with samba (I just have > > an account here > > to receive email) > > -- > > cyeoh@samba.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:23:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:23:12 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4798 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:22:53 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31CKmE07224; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:20:51 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: rjamesesq@altavista.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Recycling old PC'S Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:20:24 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010327015200.56144.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010327015200.56144.qmail@web12503.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040122202409.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Rex, Sorry for the delay in reply. ComputerBank is interested in the 486's but 386 may be a bit harder. 386 are good for extremely basic firewalls and print servers. Would like to discuss this further. Regards Craig Warner On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:52, John Coote wrote: > --- RON JAMES wrote: > Date: > 26 Mar 2001 03:13:01 -0800 > > > To: john_coote@rocketmail.com > > From: RON JAMES > > Subject: Recycling old PC'S > > > > Hello John, > > my name is Rex North.I am interetsed to > > know if I can recycle 386 and 486 computers and > > parts for same in NSW.I live in Sydney and am a > > member of the "Sydney PC Users Group".I'm sure there > > will be members who may have the same question as I > > do.Hope you can help.Most places that used to do > > this in Sydney seem to have closed. > > > > Thanks Rex. > > > > > > Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista > > Shopping! > > http://www.shopping.altavista.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:29:52 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:29:44 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4802 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:29:17 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31CRKE07229; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:27:20 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: Frank van Zanten , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: What Can _I_ do with a 486? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:26:56 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: <986164025.3ac7ab3935966@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <986164025.3ac7ab3935966@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104012226560A.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Frank, Make good C programmers out of the students using a basic linux box without a gui. Have a look at www.seul.org The is a Tiny Linux which has gcc and cvs needed for programming. Or as file and print servers, firewalls and I believe maybe terminals. I have come across a GNU project on this. Regards Craig Warner On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:27, Frank van Zanten wrote: > I work in a high school. We have 15 486 computers. The base configuration > is 4 Mb Ram, 105 Mb hard disk. Several have been upgraded to 8 or 16Mb ram > and hard disks up to 540 Mb. These machines have served us well over a > number of years but now receive little use due to a large number of Pentium > computers running Windows 9x on a Novell network being present in our > school. > > Whilst I do not have a large amount of money available, would anyone have > an idea for a linux based use for these computers in our school, preferably > student based? > > I may be able to use a Pentium 3 to act as a terminal server. > > > > Frank van Zanten > Computer Coordinator > Nepean High School > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:33:41 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:33:24 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4805 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:33:12 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.16]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f31CV3E07236; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:31:12 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: peter.huta@noie.gov.au Subject: Re: Fwd: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:30:39 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <20010330041816.44334.qmail@web12508.mail.yahoo.com> <01040121531904.00717@linux> In-Reply-To: <01040121531904.00717@linux> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0104012230390B.00717@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:53, you wrote: > Hi Peter, > > ComputerBank at the moment is going through at the moment the legal nice > things of being incorporated. > > I'm taking over for now from John who is being veryy busy at being a new > dad. > > Sorry this is so short but this is email number ten this evening. > > Which department do you represent? > > Regards > > Craig Warner > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:18, John Coote wrote: > > --- "Huta, Peter" wrote: > > > From: "Huta, Peter" > > > To: "'john_coote@rocketmail.com'" > > > > > > Subject: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT > > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:26 +1000 > > > > > > Dear John > > > > > > Greatly appreciate any material you can please > > > e-mail me about the Computer > > > Bank project in NSW. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Peter Huta > > > Access Branch > > > NOIE > > > http://www.noie.gov.au > > > tel: 02 6271 1047 > > > Peter.Huta@noie.gov.au > > > > > > 30/3/01 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 1 22:49:08 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:49:00 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62870 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:48:34 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14696; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:54:34 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdMIfHrX; Sun Apr 1 12:54:29 2001 Message-ID: <3AC714C3.80A80054@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 21:45:07 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank van Zanten CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: What Can _I_ do with a 486? References: <986164025.3ac7ab3935966@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Frank van Zanten wrote: > > I work in a high school. We have 15 486 computers. The base configuration is 4 > Mb Ram, 105 Mb hard disk. Several have been upgraded to 8 or 16Mb ram and hard > I may be able to use a Pentium 3 to act as a terminal server. Well, if you could get 32Mb onto the 486's, they should be okay as Xterminals with the Pentium3 as the server, but somehow I don't think the ram upgrade is likely. I think that you really need 16Mb minimum for Linux as a text box. Otherwise, what sort of stuff do you want to do? One of the things I'm lacking in is knowledge of what schools could do with something like these. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 2 00:44:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:43:49 +1000 Received: from ns1.samba.org ([203.17.0.92]:9531 "HELO au2.samba.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:43:28 +1000 Received: by au2.samba.org (Postfix, from userid 1169) id 8559265985C; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:25:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:25:59 +1000 From: Chris Yeoh To: Craig Warner Cc: tracy@samba.org, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Fwd: We have computers to donate Message-ID: <20010402002559.B19217@samba.samba.org> References: <20010327015308.92861.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> <01040122164008.00717@linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.14i In-Reply-To: <01040122164008.00717@linux>; from craigw@blue.net.au on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 10:16:40PM +1000 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 10:16:40PM +1000, Craig Warner wrote: > Sorry for the delay. > Computerbank is registered in Victoria but in a few weeks will be a > national charity. Hi, Due to tax regulations the company probably won't be able to donate the computers to an organisation which is not a registered charity. Do you have a firm date as to when the charity status would be official? Although everything is meant to be cleared out on April 9th, it may be able to hold them for a couple of weeks more after that. Regards, Chris. -- cyeoh@samba.org cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 2 08:42:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:42:17 +1000 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:1966 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:41:59 +1000 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3516C3836A; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 22:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from research.canon.com.au (ormai.research.canon.com.au [10.2.2.134]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED25C8B10; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:30:58 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3AC7AEB6.4663110D@research.canon.com.au> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:41:58 +1000 From: Andrew Dorrell Organization: CISRA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22enterprise i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank van Zanten , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: What Can _I_ do with a 486? References: <986164025.3ac7ab3935966@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Frank, Not sure about your network hardware but you may be able to make good use of a couple of them at least as routers (or perhaps better - bridges. 2.4 series kernels have bridging in the kernel) to labs... 16Mb of ram should be fine for these... you can get a linux distro for routing that fits on a single floppy (e.g. http://www.zelow.no/floppyfw/). The idea here is to keep the network traffic that is local to the lab off the main network. The X-server idea is a good one, for machines with >= 32M. If you have a beefy server then you could setup a lab for use by arts classes - running GIMP (a photoshop style image manipulation program). This is quite a good idea IMO as photoshop licences are well beyond the budget of most schools (at around $1000 per head) and would really open up some good vocational opportunities for budding graphic artists. You could also run Star-office on the server for office apps... but I don't think that's a killer app when you have an effectively free licence with MS office and a growing number of pentiums... You may also be interested in the etherboot option which allows you to boot linux over the network without any floppy or HDD in the terminal machine... http://www.riverdale.k12.or.us/linux/ Frank van Zanten wrote: > > I work in a high school. We have 15 486 computers. The base configuration is 4 > Mb Ram, 105 Mb hard disk. Several have been upgraded to 8 or 16Mb ram and hard > disks up to 540 Mb. These machines have served us well over a number of years > but now receive little use due to a large number of Pentium computers running > Windows 9x on a Novell network being present in our school. > > Whilst I do not have a large amount of money available, would anyone have an > idea for a linux based use for these computers in our school, preferably student > based? > > I may be able to use a Pentium 3 to act as a terminal server. > > Frank van Zanten > Computer Coordinator > Nepean High School > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list -- Andrew Dorrell PhD. Research Engineer Canon Information Systems Research Australia Phone: 61 2 9805 2224 1 Thomas Holt Drive, North Ryde, NSW 2113. Fax: 61 2 9805 2865 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 2 21:41:12 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:41:05 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2553 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:40:47 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f32BceE10763; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:38:41 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: "Huta, Peter" Subject: Re: Fwd: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:38:14 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <17E19E6D5085D41196240000E896881D0176EB76@g5dccbr0ms01.dcita.gov.au> In-Reply-To: <17E19E6D5085D41196240000E896881D0176EB76@g5dccbr0ms01.dcita.gov.au> Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, kylied@projectx.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040221381400.00718@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Peter, ComputerBank NSW is part of the National Group called ComputerBank Australia. The ComputerBank web site is www.computerbank.org.au which contains more information. ComputerBank is a organization that wishes to bridge the gap for community organizations and individuals, to assist in the development and foster of all levels of computering skills. ComputerBank accepts donations from both individuals and Corporate Australia of old computers and equipment. In this way we provide a method to recycle computers from Corporate Australia. ComputerBank foundation is based on the ideas of the GNU/GPL software. As this software is free of commercial license problems. This also allows corporate donors not to be concerned with End User Agreements demanded by commercial software providers. Also the GNU/Linux allows ComputerBank to use old PC's such as 486's to be used personal computers, file and printer servers or firewalls. This is good for organizations with limited resources to have networks and access to the internet at a lower cost. All people involved in ComputerBank NSW are volunteers from various backgrounds, some with IT skills and some who wish to development IT skills. All we ask for is willingness to help and an open mind to learn. Regards Craig Warner On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:28, you wrote: > Hi Craig > > I'm with the National office for the Information Economy, a new Federal > agency within the Communications, IT and Arts Portfolio (Senator Richard > Alston is our Minister). > > Grateful for any further information on ComputerBank NSW. > > Thanks > > Peter Huta > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Warner [mailto:craigw@blue.net.au] > Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2001 22:31 > To: peter.huta@noie.gov.au > Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au > Subject: Re: Fwd: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:53, you wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > > > ComputerBank at the moment is going through at the moment the legal nice > > things of being incorporated. > > > > I'm taking over for now from John who is being veryy busy at being a new > > dad. > > > > Sorry this is so short but this is email number ten this evening. > > > > Which department do you represent? > > > > Regards > > > > Craig Warner > > > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:18, John Coote wrote: > > > --- "Huta, Peter" wrote: > > > > From: "Huta, Peter" > > > > To: "'john_coote@rocketmail.com'" > > > > > > > > Subject: NSW COMPUTER BANK PROJECT > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:11:26 +1000 > > > > > > > > Dear John > > > > > > > > Greatly appreciate any material you can please > > > > e-mail me about the Computer > > > > Bank project in NSW. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Huta > > > > Access Branch > > > > NOIE > > > > http://www.noie.gov.au > > > > tel: 02 6271 1047 > > > > Peter.Huta@noie.gov.au > > > > > > > > 30/3/01 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 2 21:53:49 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:53:31 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2579 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:53:14 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.14]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f32Bp8E10781; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:51:09 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Goings on Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:50:43 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040221504302.00718@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, Sorry this is a little late and short, just your average slave to the PC late at night. I'm sorry to say that the repeated replies to Peter Vincent of The Sydney Morning Herald was a failure. Peter did not returned either my phone calls or emails, I believe that is was something to do with my deodorant! Last Saturdays Employment Section of the SMH cover all community groups but ComputerBank NSW. Better luck next time. Is any one going to Canberra before the 9th of April? There are PC's to be collected. Or I may dip into the funds that Terry raised and have the PC shipped to Sydney or Coolah. Meetings. OK I will book a meeting room in the next week. So watch the mail list. Its late and I have not even hit the study books. bye Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Apr 3 23:14:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:13:47 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3748 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:13:31 +1000 Received: from linux (crawar@[192.168.80.15]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f33DBNE13984; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:11:24 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: At last a meeting Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:10:56 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040323105601.01120@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, I throwing caution to the wind but here goes. To save a bit of cash and organising, I feel in the best interest of ComputerBank NSW to hold the meeting at my place. The meeting will be held next Monday 9th April night from 7.00pm till 8.00pm at my place. I will not providing my phone number or address over the list, so those wishing to come along (every please!) should contact me direct or contact one of the others on the list who may know. The Agenda is basically to agree to be part of the National Organisation but run locally ie NSW Branch. To elect representatives from NSW to deal with issues with a National orgainisation until a formal and legal structure is in place. At present, whose who wish, may sign up with ComputerBank Victoria which costs $10. If there is any thing else which should be on the agenda, please email me direct. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Apr 6 07:54:40 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:54:21 +1000 Received: from [203.91.255.2] ([203.91.255.2]:3002 "HELO netserv.melcoa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:54:05 +1000 Received: by netserv.melcoa.com.au with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.17 AS-0098305) for at Fri, 6 Apr 01 07:54:47 +1000 Message-ID: <3ACCE7E8.25CD27A5@melcoa.com.au> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 07:47:20 +1000 From: Murray Waldron X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craigw@blue.net.au CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: At last a meeting References: <01040323105601.01120@linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Mondays are no good for me, I have other commitments. Murray. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 9 21:24:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:23:50 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4482 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:23:40 +1000 Received: from pop.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@ns1.blue.net.au [192.168.100.7]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f39BLZE06673; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:21:35 +1000 Received: from linux (gw-iprimus.blue.net.au [192.168.100.15]) by pop.blue.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28928; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:21:33 +1000 From: Craig Warner Reply-To: craigw@blue.net.au To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Meeting 090101 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:20:53 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01040921205300.01216@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Like to thank all that those who came along on Monday Night. John August Hans Olinkhof James Hamilton. Although this was not a number (quorum) I hoped that would turn up but I know that commitments everyone has makes it difficult. The discussion was was that we agree that incorporation into a National body is the aim. There will be a difference in two respects: 1. Instead of ComputerBank NSW, it will be a Regional or city based ie ComputerBank Sydney. It was felt that the resources and logistics make it impossible to management on a State wide method. 2. A steering committee of John, Hans, James and Craig to drive this until a agreed rules association with the National Body of ComputerBank. What happens now is approach ComputerBank Vic to request the draft of Rules of Incorporation ComputerBank Australia. We have taken the decision that unless the proposed Sydney Branch have agreed to the rules of association within two weeks before the end of the financial year June 30th. If this has not occurred, if agreed upon at a special meeting, incorporation under rules of Association should be commenced as ComputerBank NSW. As we have no public liability insurance or incorporation at this point, the agreement is that no action as to donate or carry out any work should be done under the name of ComputerBank in NSW/Sydney. period. That is a tough stand but it is a serious concern as respect to public liability. James has agreed to start the web page for ComputerBank Sydney as a trial run to help ask any FAQ's interested people may have. I like to point out that no one should email any personal details on the mailing list. The information on the list is not secure as yet. If no one has any objections, that I should remain the contact point until Incorporation. At that time, I will step down and hopefully continue as a ordinary volunteer. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Apr 13 12:46:43 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:46:27 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62908 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:46:07 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27747; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:53:06 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdDfU3ts; Fri Apr 13 02:53:03 2001 Message-ID: <3AD667AB.1F6F0523@woa.com.au> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:42:51 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw , Grant Diffey , Kylie Davies , mailkylie@yahoo.com Subject: [Fwd: National Development online meeting/discussion] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Grant & Kylie Ccc'd to CBNSW list. Grant Diffey wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I have been talking with Shaun and Romana on irc and we would like to > organise a meeting to talk about national development and the problems > that the states other than victoria are facing. > > The current proposed time is 8:30 EST on Easter Monday PM or AM? assume 2030 hours. > > I would really like someone from NSW to attend if possible. > > what I'm aiming for is to get an idea of what sort of model people would > most prefer for the eventual shape of computerbank in australia. I will > attend and be able to answer q's about what's going on here in victoria. > > please send rsvp's and or appologies to the list > > Grant Diffey aka "nevyn" > > Vice-President of Computerbank Victoria Inc. > http://www.computerbank.org.au/ > > - > ComputerBank Australia -- http://www.computerbank.org.au/ -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Apr 13 12:50:13 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:49:56 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-132-75-120.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.75.120]:3875 "HELO bovine.artificial-stupidity.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:49:39 +1000 Received: (qmail 7853 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Apr 2001 02:49:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Apr 2001 02:49:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:49:27 +1000 (EST) From: Grant Diffey To: Terry Collins cc: CBV General List , cbnsw Subject: Re: [Fwd: National Development online meeting/discussion] In-Reply-To: <3AD667AB.1F6F0523@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox hi again everyone. that's 8:30 PM btw. EST Grant Diffey aka "nevyn" Vice-President of Computerbank Victoria Inc. http://www.computerbank.org.au/ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Apr 13 12:54:15 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:54:00 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:3231 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:53:38 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26296; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:05:01 +1000 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:05:00 +1000 (EST) From: David To: Grant Diffey cc: Terry Collins , CBV General List , cbnsw Subject: Re: [Fwd: National Development online meeting/discussion] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Is this an irc meeting? if so... which server? channel? David On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Grant Diffey wrote: > hi again everyone. > > that's 8:30 PM btw. EST > > Grant Diffey aka "nevyn" > > Vice-President of Computerbank Victoria Inc. > http://www.computerbank.org.au/ > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 16 20:36:55 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:36:37 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64137 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:36:31 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA06378 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:44:01 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdbUdtxW; Mon Apr 16 10:43:55 2001 Message-ID: <3ADACA68.A209F640@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:33:12 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: IRC discussion now on? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox #computerbank on irc.slug.org.au is working for me, but missing a few people. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Apr 17 15:36:11 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:35:52 +1000 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:4717 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:35:32 +1000 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3H5Z1O09223 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:35:01 +1000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:35:01 +1000 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: irc hookup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox did anyone have a change to attend this last night? Terry? How was it? Any chance of getting a precis of the discussion/outcome. Maybe CBVic can do this? James Hamilton cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Apr 17 16:57:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:56:42 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:3764 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:56:34 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19377; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:08:38 +1000 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:08:38 +1000 (EST) From: David To: James Hamilton cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: irc hookup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I asked where the discussion was to be and was met by deafening silence On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, James Hamilton wrote: > > did anyone have a change to attend this last night? Terry? How was it? > Any chance of getting a precis of the discussion/outcome. Maybe CBVic can > do this? > > James Hamilton > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Apr 18 18:51:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:51:13 +1000 Received: from sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au ([137.111.1.11]:50091 "EHLO sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:50:51 +1000 Received: from OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (ocs1.ocs.mq.edu.au [137.111.6.13]) by sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3I8ok414816; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:50:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from OCS1/SpoolDir by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 18 Apr 01 18:49:45 +1000 Received: from SpoolDir by OCS1 (Mercury 1.44); 18 Apr 01 18:49:32 +1000 Received: from cbnsw (137.111.7.115) by OCS1.OCS.MQ.EDU.AU (Mercury 1.44); 18 Apr 01 18:49:27 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: nik lam To: David , James Hamilton Subject: Re: irc hookup Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:49:56 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041818495600.00340@cbnsw> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Yes, I spent an hour or so online, so did terry. Being my first tiem on irc, it wasnt the smoothest of conversations ive ever had, but i got a little bit of info out of it before it descended into a religious war over distributions... Basically in going national CBVIC is going to have to draw up an SOP (aka statement of purpose). This is needed to satisfy some body called the security register (or something), and the tax office (if the SOP makes it really obvious that we are a charity). Trish (Fraser, i think) also has an idea of structuring the national organisation using a tree/node structure, which would facilitate smaller groups - eg 1 or 2 person shows - sprining up in, say, rural areas. The basic idea would be that a big node could provide support for a smaller (child) node, possibly taking some of the organisational / logistical burdens away. EG, CBV being quite well established is equipped to provide training, and they are the ones getting nationally incorporated, which i guess kind of makes them the parent node. Trish might send some details to this list (i think is a recipient). If not then i'll send her an email later in the week. as an aside, ive changed my mind a little about irc - based meetings. They can work, but it will take practice on the part of the participants! It just takes a little getting used to.... nik On Tuesday 17 April 2001 14:08, David wrote: > I asked where the discussion was to be and was met by deafening silence > > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, James Hamilton wrote: > > did anyone have a change to attend this last night? Terry? How was it? > > Any chance of getting a precis of the discussion/outcome. Maybe CBVic can > > do this? > > > > James Hamilton > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Apr 18 22:30:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:30:12 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64796 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:29:56 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA15579; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:37:34 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdAk73WJ; Wed Apr 18 12:37:32 2001 Message-ID: <3ADD87F5.F41B01CE@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:26:29 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: nik lam Subject: Re: irc hookup References: <01041818495600.00340@cbnsw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox nik lam wrote: > > Yes, > > I spent an hour or so online, so did terry. Oh good Nik, I was hoping you would pop in as I was only there until 9:30pm > Basically in going national CBVIC is going to have to draw up an SOP (aka > statement of purpose). This is needed to satisfy some body called the > security register (or something), and the tax office (if the SOP makes it > really obvious that we are a charity). As I understand it, CB Vic is going to become ComputerBank Australia with the current heavies. That will allow them to move now and this SOP is intended to get them charity status and tax breaks. The idea is then that representation will move over to being nationally representative as changes/restructure roles through. > Trish (Fraser, i think) also has an idea of structuring the national > organisation using a tree/node structure, which would facilitate smaller > groups - eg 1 or 2 person shows - sprining up in, say, rural areas. The > basic idea would be that a big node could provide support for a smaller > (child) node, possibly taking some of the organisational / logistical burdens > away. This is where I started to tune out. As I understood it, rather than have state branches, then regional, etc as the usual hierachy, they have this idea of nodes, with the option of sub-nodes. This is fine by my books and I have no problems with it. So CBNSW could become CB Sydney and NOT have to support other groups in the state, but still be represented on the national body. So, as Nik said, project or town or ?? based CB's could exist quiet easily. I started to tune out when they started talking about putting all this into the consitution - erk. In my books, the constitution just says what you are about and basic rules. Details of what you need to be a state nodes, reguional node, etc node are just bylaws - which makes it a lot easier to change as time goes by. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Apr 19 12:12:31 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:12:24 +1000 Received: from isurp2.det.nsw.edu.au ([153.107.41.146]:1878 "EHLO isurp2.dmzs.det.nsw.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:12:04 +1000 Received: from itfsmtp1.central.det.win ([153.107.8.50]) by isurp2.dmzs.det.nsw.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA12095 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:11:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from proxy.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au (not verified[153.107.8.50]) by itfsmtp1.central.det.win with MailMarshal (4,0,9,0) id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:11:47 +1000 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by proxy.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09928 for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:12:33 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: proxy.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au: nobody set sender to vanzantn@nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au using -f To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?486s_+_5=BC_floppies?= Message-ID: <987682353.3aded6319aabc@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:12:33 +1000 (EST) From: Frank van Zanten MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.4 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Space and time considerations mean that we have to dispose of some computers that were donated to us. There are 8 486 computers. These are from the tax office in Penrith, but have no hard drives. These all have bnc style network cards, 16-32 Mb RAM, scsi cards. BUT they have what I think is VESA slots - no ISA or PCI slots. NCR motherboard. The cases are BIG. RAM is on an expansion board from what I can work out. I'm guessing a bit here, but if you have a SCSI hard disk, you may be able to get them going. We also have 100s of 5¼ inch floppies, many are 360k and in umopened boxes. The computers will be thrown out when school goes back on 30th April if no-one shows interest. Contact me by email or on 0416 162651. Frank van Zanten Computer Coordinator Nepean High School Emu Plains ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Apr 19 13:15:18 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:15:00 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:65047 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:14:52 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA18653; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:22:29 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdZ3V77N; Thu Apr 19 03:22:28 2001 Message-ID: <3ADE5758.D9725041@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:11:20 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank van Zanten CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: 486s + =?iso-8859-1?Q?5=BC?= floppies References: <987682353.3aded6319aabc@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox CBNSW My wife goes over to UWS at Nepean on Tues & Wed, so if no one else can collect these, I'll see if she will collect them. Frank Street address for collection? Would someone be available to load them into the back of a van? Frank van Zanten wrote: > > Space and time considerations mean that we have to dispose of some computers > that were donated to us. > > There are 8 486 computers. These are from the tax office in Penrith, but have no > hard drives. These all have bnc style network cards, 16-32 Mb RAM, scsi cards. > BUT they have what I think is VESA slots - no ISA or PCI slots. NCR motherboard. > The cases are BIG. RAM is on an expansion board from what I can work out. > > I'm guessing a bit here, but if you have a SCSI hard disk, you may be able to > get them going. > > We also have 100s of 5¼ inch floppies, many are 360k and in umopened boxes. > > The computers will be thrown out when school goes back on 30th April if no-one > shows interest. > > Contact me by email or on 0416 162651. > > Frank van Zanten > Computer Coordinator > Nepean High School > Emu Plains > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Apr 19 13:26:13 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:26:05 +1000 Received: from [203.91.255.2] ([203.91.255.2]:1289 "HELO netserv.melcoa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:25:40 +1000 Received: by netserv.melcoa.com.au with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.17 AS-0098305) for at Thu, 19 Apr 01 13:26:26 +1000 Message-ID: <3ADE5A76.652C04@melcoa.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:24:38 +1000 From: Murray Waldron Organization: Matsushita Electric Co. (Aust.) Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CB-NSW Subject: Re: 486s + =?iso-8859-1?Q?5=BC?= floppies References: <987682353.3aded6319aabc@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> <3ADE5758.D9725041@woa.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I live at Kingswood which is not far from Nepean High , if you would like me to collect them or give a hand. Murray Terry Collins wrote: > CBNSW > > My wife goes over to UWS at Nepean on Tues & Wed, so if no one else can > collect these, I'll see if she will collect them. > > Frank > > Street address for collection? > Would someone be available to load them into the back of a van? > > Frank van Zanten wrote: > > > > Space and time considerations mean that we have to dispose of some computers > > that were donated to us. > > > > There are 8 486 computers. These are from the tax office in Penrith, but have no > > hard drives. These all have bnc style network cards, 16-32 Mb RAM, scsi cards. > > BUT they have what I think is VESA slots - no ISA or PCI slots. NCR motherboard. > > The cases are BIG. RAM is on an expansion board from what I can work out. > > > > I'm guessing a bit here, but if you have a SCSI hard disk, you may be able to > > get them going. > > > > We also have 100s of 5¼ inch floppies, many are 360k and in umopened boxes. > > > > The computers will be thrown out when school goes back on 30th April if no-one > > shows interest. > > > > Contact me by email or on 0416 162651. > > > > Frank van Zanten > > Computer Coordinator > > Nepean High School > > Emu Plains > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > This mail sent through IMP: mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Apr 19 16:32:22 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:32:14 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:65085 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:32:01 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19356 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:39:39 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdZUfdBl; Thu Apr 19 06:39:38 2001 Message-ID: <3ADE858C.E7A553AF@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:28:28 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: 486s + =?iso-8859-1?Q?5=BC?= floppies References: <987682353.3aded6319aabc@mail.nepean-h.schools.nsw.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Frank van Zanten wrote: > > Space and time considerations mean that we have to dispose of some computers > that were donated to us. > > There are 8 486 computers. These are from the tax office in Penrith, but have no > hard drives. These all have bnc style network cards, 16-32 Mb RAM, scsi cards. > BUT they have what I think is VESA slots - no ISA or PCI slots. NCR motherboard. > The cases are BIG. RAM is on an expansion board from what I can work out. This has now been taken care of. Wendy will collect the boxen next Tuesday (24th April) and I will probably have a look at them the day after (No Anzac day committments). Anyone with nothing to do is welcome to come out if they like. I will then let the list know what we have. If it is all judged of no use for Computerbank, then I can add it to my surplus/give away hardware list. > > I'm guessing a bit here, but if you have a SCSI hard disk, you may be able to > get them going. Hmm, the SCSI hard disks didn't get collected for Bangladesh, so I have 8 full height ones here for use in testing. > > We also have 100s of 5¼ inch floppies, many are 360k and in umopened boxes. I have said we will take these. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Apr 22 11:59:51 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:59:45 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4658 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:59:21 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3M1x5t14163; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:59:05 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3M1x6K29226; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:59:07 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010422112236.009e4690@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/mail.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:56:27 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Bit late,but Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_16383671==_" Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox --=====================_16383671==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Folks, Sorry for not replying to all the emails and other goings on. Bit of small problems with ISP's and service, must look into cable if any of those bastard telephone companies care to run a cable a small 25 metres from either Crown or Riley Street. Now thats off my chest. Not to mention that the windoze partition on my quad boot machine died, causing more problems than its worth. Down to business, sorry David for not organizing the 22nd as a build day. If there are any dates that are suitable contact me. As to the ICQ conference, I miss all the great bits over the long weekend rebuilding my box. Many thanks for Nik for the work there and getting back to us. I have been pressing Kylie over the week on actions for National incorporation amongst other things. I believe the local node bit may work as reported but lets wait and see how the structure looks on paper before any thing happens. On the local front here in Sydney, two things have started to roll. First, I'm now meetings and discussions with the Inner City Waste Management Board. Just a start but the potential of space, logistics and sponsorship are there. The board want's a business plan rather than just talk. So I may be a bit busy with that, so if I don't answer emails straight away or join in discussions, I'm still here. The second thing is the International favour that ComputerBank is now taking. I've been in discussion with John Plunkett (medcure@icubed.com), must remind our American friends about time differences, ie 3.15am I'm not the smartest. John has been busy with a system (see attached demo) for us to review and use. Now here the interesting bit, I need the help of either and/or David/James in this part ie the hosting. To save detail if David and or James could contact me, I would greatly appreciate it. A special thanks for Terry and his wife for the work with the High School. 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UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdxCmMlE; Tue Apr 24 10:11:29 2001 Message-ID: <3AE55253.D98F5441@woa.com.au> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:15:47 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: NCR3400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Okay, I have the 8 computers from Nepean High. They are NCR 3400, which I believe is circa 1985. Hmm, I think these are only good for scrap. Very impressive looking actually. About 8" wide, 36" long and 36" high. It all looks proprietary to me and I'm assuming proprietary software as well. If anyone can tell me different, well, I will be happy to hear so. My assessment is boat anchors and scrapping. Barring input from anyone (I've spammed 2600 & Slug for ideas), scrapping is what I propose to do with them. Although, if you are wanting to build a massive server, e.g. 15 scsi hard disks, I think you would have no trouble mounting a motherboard (or two) and 15+ hard disks inside them. You would just need to work out a couple of mounting strips and update the power supply plugs. Hmm, they might also make impressive table supports. Umm, does anyone know who owns NCR now, or what it is called. It might be worth ringing them for ideas. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Apr 25 08:19:23 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:19:05 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3291 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:18:58 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3OMIet21867; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:18:40 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3OMIfw10169; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:18:44 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010425080748.009ea5d0@pop.blue.net.au> X-Sender: craigw@pop.blue.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:17:05 +1000 To: Terry Collins , cbnsw , kylied@projectx.com.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Re: NCR3400 In-Reply-To: <3AE55253.D98F5441@woa.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I believe the heavy metal and PCB's content of PC's may be a bit much for the EPA can handle. In light of the talks I'm having with the Inner City Waste Board, dumping should I hope is the last resort. I known that TAFE are after machines for students for training as A+ certification, so I will ask this week if they are interested. If in the end the PC's have to be dumped, if they can be stripped into various components for recycling. The cases for ferrous recycling, the power supply for non-ferrous recycling and the board for heavy metal treatment. ComputerBank Victoria are working with two commercial recycliers to have national contracts to deal with this. I will be following this up in Sydney. Craig At 08:15 PM 24/04/01 +1000, Terry Collins wrote: >Okay, I have the 8 computers from Nepean High. >They are NCR 3400, which I believe is circa 1985. > >Hmm, I think these are only good for scrap. >Very impressive looking actually. About 8" wide, 36" long and 36" high. >It all looks proprietary to me and I'm assuming proprietary software as >well. > >If anyone can tell me different, well, I will be happy to hear so. > >My assessment is boat anchors and scrapping. >Barring input from anyone (I've spammed 2600 & Slug for ideas), >scrapping is what I propose to do with them. > >Although, if you are wanting to build a massive server, e.g. 15 scsi >hard disks, I think you would have no trouble mounting a motherboard (or >two) and 15+ hard disks inside them. You would just need to work out a >couple of mounting strips and update the power supply plugs. > >Hmm, they might also make impressive table supports. > >Umm, does anyone know who owns NCR now, or what it is called. It might >be worth ringing them for ideas. >-- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" >cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Apr 26 11:06:38 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:06:13 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63014 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:05:55 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA22307 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:59:07 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdmjXdw0; Thu Apr 26 00:58:58 2001 Message-ID: <3AE773B0.B01D88EC@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:02:40 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: NCR 3400 Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I've now had a look at the innards of all these boxen. Basically 486Dx2/66 Overdrive chip. Some have a subsidary board on the Floating point socket, but no idea as it is not a chip. SCSI proprietary card. SCSI-1. 4 RAM cards, proprietary, about 16Mb RAM,, one had 40Mb. Some have MCA I/O card (D50? in 4 rows) - no idea. All have MCA Network card - BNC/AUI connection. MCA=micro channel architecture. All have floppy drive All/some (i noticed it late) have Seagate ST4376N hard disk in bottom (330Mb full height 5") One has an old QIC tape drive. NCR video bios then phoenix bios of 1989 (Yep, it passed the 240V smoke test = plug in 240v, turn on and see what happens.) and zilch. Well the Power On test reports, then starts seeking a hard disk and zilch. Obviously the bottom 330Mb scsi hard disk has been cleared/flushed. I've been told that these run/ran CP/M, NT and Solaris, which given the age could all have been a possibiliy in one of the various forms of the 3400. There is a manual, cica 1988, that can be ordered from NCR for $US117, but I'm definitely passing on that. Someone at NCR is going to make enquiries today to see what he can find out. Unfortunately, the NCR WWW site is a bit useless for quality information - no sign of the drivers mentioned by the person who believes they can run NT & Solaris, but the messages was 1998. At this stage, I'm still for trashing/recycling. The person making the NCR enquiries thinks they run NCR Unix, so if they do, or they run Solaris, and we can get installation media then I will reconsider. As mentioned in a prior message, I think they would also be very useful as a solid server boxen. Hmm, even a novelty drinks cabinet {:-) -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Apr 26 14:04:17 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:04:10 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63225 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:03:58 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA22861 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:57:08 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdArmFqa; Thu Apr 26 03:56:58 2001 Message-ID: <3AE79D66.88B53112@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:00:38 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: Re: NCR 3400 Update References: <3AE773B0.B01D88EC@woa.com.au> <3AE79CE7.6444C13@woa.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Okay, I've now found further information on these boxen. They are the NCR 3434 Computer 3000 variety of the NCR3400. There was apparently a whole family of them. They, theoretically will run linux, but practically, I can not find anyone who is doing it. Linux supports MCA bus and cards okay, but NCR's bus version is apparently proprietary. So, if someone want to develop a driver for the NCR MCA bus, then step forward. Otherwise, they are scrap value in my books. > Some have MCA I/O card (D50? in 4 rows) - no idea. I now have an idea- it is a Digi 16 port Serial I/O card (no external cables). How do I know? Well I have now managed to get one to boot up and it booted into Microsoft Operating system 1.2 (aka OS/2 Ver 1.3) and loads the digicard driver. There are six of these cards (MCA Digi 16 ports). The boxen will run NCR Unix, NT, Solaris, Os/2 and other stuff, but note the comments about the proprietary MCA bus as you will probably need special drivers. Once I finish bootup tests with all eight, I might try floppy installations of various OS to see how they go. In the meantime, they will be used as novelty table top supports. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 30 14:09:37 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:09:20 +1000 Received: from web12502.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.194]:3701 "HELO web12502.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:09:05 +1000 Message-ID: <20010430040854.67642.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.42.120.2] by web12502.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:08:54 EST Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:08:54 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Computer Hardware To: CB NSW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All I have about 10 - 15 Computers, Monitors etc in my laundry but I have to move before the end of June. Can someone please volunteer some alternative storage. Regards John Coote _____________________________________________________________________________ http://store.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Store - It's time you had your business online! cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Apr 30 18:32:18 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:32:11 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2425 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:31:54 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U8Vgb22866; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:31:42 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.17]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U8Vur05173; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:31:58 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010430182734.009e7b50@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:29:52 +1000 To: John Coote , CB NSW From: Craig Warner Subject: Re: Computer Hardware Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au In-Reply-To: <20010430040854.67642.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox John & et all I'm still working with both ComputerBank Vic and the Inner City Waste Board, the best method is to get the pc's out to where they are needed. If need be, I can take them. Craig At 02:08 PM 30/04/01 +1000, John Coote wrote: >Dear All >I have about 10 - 15 Computers, Monitors etc in my >laundry but I have to move before the end of June. >Can someone please volunteer some alternative storage. > >Regards >John Coote > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________________ >http://store.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Store >- It's time you had your business online! >cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 3 20:11:45 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 3 May 2001 20:11:27 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:61628 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 3 May 2001 20:11:10 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.15]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f43ABu516470; Thu, 3 May 2001 20:11:56 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010503200634.009f3810@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:09:02 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: PCs to pickup Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, I had a call from a R&D company in the Norwest Park (Baulkham Hills I believe), that have some PC's for ComputerBank. So is there anyone available for a little pickup? Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 14 20:22:10 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:22:03 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:61208 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:21:46 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.12]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4EALx226813 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 20:21:59 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514201258.009fc6e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:19:27 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: ComputerBank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, Its been a bit of a dog's dinner at the moment. OK, this is the plan, I have not heard a whisper from Victoria so we go it alone. If anyone has any problems with this proposal, 'line up in the queue for those gunning for me'. Two proposals. We incorporate, we get a mail box and we hire a rentable space from say, Millers for the time being. We meet and fight it out and get an agreement. The Meeting Friday 7.00pm 1st June at my place, I hope to see more than four people this time. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 14 21:36:04 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:35:45 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63439 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:35:26 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA08306; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:34:19 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpd9THyGi; Mon May 14 11:34:19 2001 Message-ID: <3AFFC239.511889E2@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:32:09 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: Craig Warner Subject: Re: ComputerBank References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010514201258.009fc6e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: > OK, this is the plan, I have not heard a whisper from Victoria so we go it > alone. Whatever. Do a chase up just before the meeting. > We incorporate, we get a mail box and we hire a rentable space from say, > Millers for the time being. > > We meet and fight it out and get an agreement. In any case, can we open a bank account please. We will need it in any case. We have cheques to deposit and we will need about $1,000 for incorporation and insurance. Craig, with two other people is fine by me. Building society preferred. >The Meeting Friday 7.00pm 1st June at my place, I hope to see more than >four people this time. I think that constitutes public notice of the intention to create ComputerBank, NSW. Umm, I suspect Millers is a bit like Kennards (same out this way), that you can get all levels of space from top floor cheapies, to ground floor almost industrial units (power and telephone - if you want - probably can not afford this level at moment). Just check that whatever we get has a power socket somewhere (test gear, etc) -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 14 21:43:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:43:01 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au ([203.23.36.9]:1403 "EHLO fast.kenpro.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:42:50 +1000 Received: from fast.kenpro.com.au (IDENT:david@fast.kenpro.com.au [203.23.36.9]) by fast.kenpro.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12516; Mon, 14 May 2001 19:55:52 +1000 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:55:52 +1000 (EST) From: David To: Terry Collins cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, Craig Warner Subject: Re: ComputerBank In-Reply-To: <3AFFC239.511889E2@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox I will be there.. but please send a reminder closer to the date David. On Mon, 14 May 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > Craig Warner wrote: > > > OK, this is the plan, I have not heard a whisper from Victoria so we go it > > alone. > > Whatever. Do a chase up just before the meeting. > > > > We incorporate, we get a mail box and we hire a rentable space from say, > > Millers for the time being. > > > > We meet and fight it out and get an agreement. > > In any case, can we open a bank account please. We will need it in any > case. We have cheques to deposit and we will need about $1,000 for > incorporation and insurance. > > Craig, with two other people is fine by me. > > Building society preferred. > > >The Meeting Friday 7.00pm 1st June at my place, I hope to see more than > >four people this time. > > I think that constitutes public notice of the intention to create > ComputerBank, NSW. > > Umm, I suspect Millers is a bit like Kennards (same out this way), that > you can get all levels of space from top floor cheapies, to ground floor > almost industrial units (power and telephone - if you want - probably > can not afford this level at moment). Just check that whatever we get > has a power socket somewhere (test gear, etc) > > > -- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed May 16 13:47:53 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:47:37 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64215 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:47:28 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA16903 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:46:44 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdo1cGvR; Wed May 16 03:46:41 2001 Message-ID: <3B01F77A.F8FD106B@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:43:54 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: Advanced notice of a few MacLUG topics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox http://www.woa.com.au/maclug/meetings/meet2001-05-26.html for this months MacLUG meeting. Computerbankers who like hardware hacking might like to peruse http://www.woa.com.au/maclug/meetings for advance notice on some fiddles on Computerbank hardware June for the NCR 3434 System 3000 boxen - Linux on microchannel architecture - 5 of these boxen are in working state. July for Linux on Apple Macs - I'm due to collect a couple soon for Computerbank, so we might as well play with them. Knowing nothing about the hardware, I don't know if it is worth the effort. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed May 16 14:55:27 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 14:54:44 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64232 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 16 May 2001 14:54:21 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17221 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 14:53:48 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdoMZto7; Wed May 16 04:53:45 2001 Message-ID: <3B020731.752EB37B@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:50:57 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: [Fwd: PCs to pickup] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > Here are the details for the pickup of the pc's > > 2 x Mac plus with keyboard and mouse These have been offered to Computerbank. They are at Baulkham Hills for collection during office hours. I have been told that they will not run linux I thus regard them as not worth the effort of collecting for Computerbank Does anyone know of any other use and/or want them? -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 17 00:00:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:00:39 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:62701 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:00:24 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.15]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4GE0H201618; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:00:19 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010516235405.009fc930@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:56:46 +1000 To: Terry Collins , cbnsw From: Craig Warner Subject: Re: [Fwd: PCs to pickup] In-Reply-To: <3B020731.752EB37B@woa.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Terry, I also have a Mac powerbook of the MK86 vintage (I think) that has been donated, colour screen and all. Like to see if a MK86 Linux distro would cook on it> Craig At 02:50 PM 16/05/01 +1000, Terry Collins wrote: > > Here are the details for the pickup of the pc's > > > > 2 x Mac plus with keyboard and mouse > >These have been offered to Computerbank. >They are at Baulkham Hills for collection during office hours. >I have been told that they will not run linux >I thus regard them as not worth the effort of collecting for >Computerbank > >Does anyone know of any other use and/or want them? > > >-- > Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 > email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au > WOA Computer Services > > "People without trees are like fish without clean water" >cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 17 00:02:17 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:02:09 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:62716 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:01:57 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.15]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4GE2A201652 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:02:10 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010516235851.00a00850@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:59:28 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Meeting Notice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox The Meeting Friday 7.00pm 1st June at my place. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue May 22 21:54:46 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 22 May 2001 21:54:40 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:61864 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 22 May 2001 21:54:18 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.17]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4MBsQ220784 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 21:54:32 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010522214948.00a040e0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:51:07 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: In the news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,2024046%255E501,00.html Just a reminder notice about the Meeting. 1st June Friday My Residence 7.00pm cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue May 22 22:02:15 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 22 May 2001 22:02:08 +1000 Received: from mail.news.com.au ([202.139.106.43]:57261 "EHLO scye.news.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 22 May 2001 22:01:50 +1000 Received: from carnan.ni.news.com.au (carnan.ni.news.com.au [202.139.106.30]) by scye.news.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA15254 for ; Tue, 22 May 2001 21:49:07 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 21:49:07 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200105221149.VAA15254@scye.news.com.au> X-Authentication-Warning: scye.news.com.au: carnan.ni.news.com.au [202.139.106.30] didn't use HELO protocol From: Craig Warner To: ComputerBank Subject: Charity PC recycler plans national spread (australianIT.com.au report) Content-type: text/html Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox


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Charity PC recycler plans national spread
Jennifer Foreshew
22 May 2001

NON-PROFIT recycler Computerbank Victoria has announced plans to open state branches to reach disadvantaged people across the country.

Computerbank is a group of volunteers who recycle superseded computers for disadvantaged and low-income individuals and groups.

It aims to promote affordable access to information technology and computers through the use and promotion of the Gnu/Linux operating system.

Recipients of the machines are trained to use the system to whatever level they are motivated to reach, with support from volunteers.

Computerbank Victoria founder and executive officer Kylie Davies said the group had recycled up to 70 machines since it began two years ago.

"Computerbank caters for everyone," Ms Davies said. "We will supply computers to individuals who are going to primary school all the way up to people who live in aged-care facilities."

The service will shortly change its name to Computerbank Australia and open a branch in Western Australia. Others are planned for NSW, Queensland and South Australia.

"We also will be developing ! some rural nodes with the goal of later becoming an international body," Ms Davies said. Computerbank is planning to send about 40 machines to East Timor to be used by the University of Dili and other church and community-based agencies.

It has also helped other community groups, including a rehabilitation program for at-risk youth and adults, a Filipino community organisation and Pilotlight, a benevolent organisation, as well as Work for the Dole.

"We take donations of 486-DX66 and up, full computers, bits and pieces, printers, hard drives, memory, anything - even non-Intel based," said Ms Davies, who also welcomes new volunteers.

"We do want to be self-sustaining, and some of the things we're likely to get into could be fee-based training and Linux workshops, excluding our recipients."

Petrol giant BP Australia has been Computerbank's major supporter, donating up to $250,000 worth of IT equipment, furniture and cash.

It also receives some government funding an! d support from AXA, Clayton Utz, Open Learning Australia, Wilson Dilworth, Corporate Express, Rothschilds and Buena Vista Home Entertainment.

www.computerbank.org.au

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cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed May 23 20:20:48 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 23 May 2001 20:20:32 +1000 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:4383 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 23 May 2001 20:20:23 +1000 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4NAIrS10578 for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 20:18:53 +1000 Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 20:18:52 +1000 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Re: [cbnsw.org.au|4061] Domain Name request for 'cbnsw.org.au' (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi we finally have a domain name approved I ahve hosting space set up and soon as the dns redelegation is done we have a web site!!JH ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:45:19 +1000 (EST) From: hostmaster@munnari.oz.au To: hjamilton@alpha.net.au, jhamilton@alpha.net.au Subject: Re: Re: [cbnsw.org.au|4061] Domain Name request for 'cbnsw.org.au' Your registration of the domain name cbnsw.org.au has been approved by the admin of the domain org.au, hostmaster@munnari.OZ.au. The domain administrator, hostmaster@munnari.oz.au, provided the following comments: This entry will be added to the WHOIS database at whois.aunic.net, and will be visible using the command: "whois -h whois.aunic.net cbnsw.org.au" (The whois database is updated twice a day at 1:00pm and 1:00am) You may maintain this entry using the WWW forms interface located at . Delegation requests, and change of delegation details can be undertaken through this interface. The initial maintenance key for your domain is: Thank you cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 24 19:13:59 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 24 May 2001 19:13:53 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:3860 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 24 May 2001 19:13:27 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4O9DIB00362 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 19:13:19 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.17]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4O9Dct07526 for ; Thu, 24 May 2001 19:13:39 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010524184919.009fe310@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:10:51 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Goings on Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all As the June 30th is fast coming upon us, we as a group have to start looking at what we are and are up to. For those who don't know ComputerBank in NSW has been trying to get off the ground now for well over three years. First there was Basil, then John and now me, for better or for worst your got me for the time being. ComputerBank has a small amount of funds, not much but enough to rent a space at Millers for a very short time. At $253 a month you can quickly work that one out. ComputerBank NSW has no real source of ongoing funds but we do have a assets in hardware and volunteers. So as ComputerBank comes closer to being incorporated, we need some people with marketing and business ideas to develop this organisation into being self funding. >So some feed back on this would be nice. > >If any one is interested, I will be at the SLUG meeting on the 25th June. >I want to see the Agenda PDA! Boys and there toys. > >Also to drum up a bit of support from the SLUG members. Terry is going to chase up Jamie Honan on a about some space for us that was mentioned in the passed. Thanks Terry. I going to see if there are any Real Estate Agents out there who have a soul and may be able out help ComputerBank out on short term space. Alexandria would be a starting point to look at space. Now David would like to have another build day soon and I would like to see some indicators of who can make it and what days are suitable. BP have been very good to us in the past but I wonder if we could ask for space out on one of their industrial sites? Some I will need to follow up with Kylie. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat May 26 15:21:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 26 May 2001 15:21:16 +1000 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:1926 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 26 May 2001 15:20:59 +1000 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4Q5J8H25137 for ; Sat, 26 May 2001 15:19:08 +1000 Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:19:08 +1000 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: [active-sydney] Parramatta Computer Access Network Inaugural Meeting (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox FYI james h ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 25 May 2001 01:16:59 -0000 From: active-bot@active.org.au To: sydney@active.org.au Subject: [active-sydney] Parramatta Computer Access Network Inaugural Meeting = To join or leave this email list, see below. If you would prefer to get all events in one email per week, send a blank email to geton.sydney-calendar@active.org.au and then unsubscribe from this list. = Parramatta Computer Access Network Inaugural Meeting 2:00pm Saturday 9 June This is PCAN's inaugural planning/recruitment meeting. If you're interested in putting your computer skills to work in the community, computer hardware recycling, etc., please come along. [where] Room 1, Parramatta City Library [transport] Close to Parramatta Train Station [contact] Dave at Information and Cultural Exchange 9683 2173 [email] mdavids@sneaker.net.au [web address] http://www.cat.org.au/pcan ----\\ [the full rave] //---- Dear All, Please come along to this important meeting of P-CAN (Parramatta Computer Access Network). 2pm June 9th (at Room 1, Parramatta City Library nr Parra Train Station) P-CAN exists to provide access to computer technology; supply services, support, and skill sharing; promote and facilitate computer hardware re-use; and encourage the growth of employment opportunities within the community. What can you do with P-CAN: ? participate in a computer reuse program (cheap computers!) ? learn and share computer skills (hardware, software & GNU/Linux) ? make a real difference to the digital divide in western sydney. P-CAN (Parramatta Computer Access and Action Network) is a collaborative effort between community organisations, volunteers, and local government in the Parramatta area. WE NEED YOU! Contact Dave or Matthew to RSVP or find out more about P-CANs activities: CALL 9683 2173 Or email: ice@pnc.com.au or mdavids@sneaker.net.au http://www.cat.org.au/pcan === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === === active-sydney and the weekly active-sydney-calendar are mailing lists for anyone interested in any form of active positive social change. They are an electronic 'information central' about talks, actions, festivals, meetings, films, gigs, funraisers, court cases, conferences and the rest! = this is the active-sydney mailing list = to subscribe to active-sydney, send a blank email to geton.sydney@active.org.au = to unsubscribe to active-sydney, send a blank email to getoff.sydney@active.org.au = to subscribe to the weekly active-sydney-calendar, send a blank email to geton.sydney-calendar@active.org.au = to announce events on this list please use the website if possible, otherwise email sydney@active.org.au = active-sydney's website is http://www.active.org.au/sydney = if you need help or have a problem, please email owner-sydney@active.org.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun May 27 22:29:08 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:28:50 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:1151 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:28:33 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4RCSQq01734; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:28:26 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.13]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4RCSjt18710; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:28:48 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010527220702.00a00d40@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:11:18 +1000 To: ice@pnc.com.au, mdavids@sneaker.net.au From: Craig Warner Subject: P-Can Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi Dave or Matthew , Thanks for the email about the meeting. It seems there are two groups doing the same work. ComputerBank and P-CAN. I'm helping in setting up ComputerBank in NSW. I would like to come to your meeting. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun May 27 22:45:35 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:45:18 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63673 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:44:59 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA31144; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:47:27 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdCzniMl; Sun May 27 12:47:17 2001 Message-ID: <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au> Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:40:59 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Warner CC: ice@pnc.com.au, mdavids@sneaker.net.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: P-Can References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010527220702.00a00d40@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi Dave or Matthew , > > Thanks for the email about the meeting. > It seems there are two groups doing the same work. ComputerBank and P-CAN. Craig - as I understand it, they have a different focus. I think P-Can is more public access, i.e centre/location based and looking to set up a community centre. Whereas Computerbank is more about seeing hardware re-used and handing the hardware over. P-Can wuld have more in common with CAT and Sydney indymedia centre. There is no reason why Computerbank can not work closely with P-Can. We might be able to feed them some gear, etc. I'll be corrected if I've got ia a-about. {:-). -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 28 11:40:11 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 11:40:07 +1000 Received: from mother.sneaker.net.au ([61.8.14.2]:1810 "EHLO mother.sneaker.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 11:39:45 +1000 Received: from pii (ppp15.sneaker.net.au [61.8.14.46]) by mother.sneaker.net.au (8.10.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f4S1jhp15179; Mon, 28 May 2001 11:45:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mdavids@sneaker.net.au) Received: from mdavids by pii with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 154CEH-0000DV-00; Mon, 28 May 2001 11:53:57 +1000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:53:57 +1000 To: Terry Collins Cc: Craig Warner , ice@pnc.com.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: P-Can Message-ID: <20010528115357.B678@sneaker.net.au> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010527220702.00a00d40@pop3.norton.antivirus> <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au>; from terryc@woa.com.au on Sun, May 27, 2001 at 10:40:59PM +1000 From: Matthew Davidson Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 10:40:59PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: > Craig Warner wrote: > > > > Hi Dave or Matthew , > > > > Thanks for the email about the meeting. > > It seems there are two groups doing the same work. ComputerBank and P-CAN. Much to my embarrassment, I wasn't aware Computerbank was terribly well-established in Sydney. I'd heard a whisper that plans had fizzled out. Very remiss of me not to enquire further. > Craig - as I understand it, they have a different focus. I think P-Can > is more public access, i.e centre/location based and looking to set up a > community centre. > > Whereas Computerbank is more about seeing hardware re-used and handing > the hardware over. That's more or less the idea. Information and Cultural Exchange in Parramatta did have a straight computer recycling project going some time ago, but didn't have anybody with much technical expertise. As I understand, it was basically redistributing working computers, and when they stopped working, nobody knew what to do about it. So to make something like that sustainable in a community with a dearth of skills you have to create your own support and training network as well. Make it part of something larger. > P-Can wuld have more in common with CAT and Sydney indymedia centre. I went to a couple of the server upgrade workshops CAT put on and was absolutely blown away by how brilliantly they do the skill-sharing thing. A great inspiration. > There is no reason why Computerbank can not work closely with P-Can. We > might be able to feed them some gear, etc. Definitely. Dave's been talking to community groups and local government, and there are a few things we can get to work on straight away (on the local government timescale - i.e. within the next year or so). Although of course a lot of what PCAN will do depends on what people want to bring to it, so it's quite amorphous as I see it. We'll be looking to establish networks with other groups, share resourses, etc. > I'll be corrected if I've got ia a-about. {:-). And so will I. Matthew. ------------------------------------------------------ Industrial Workers of the World - http://www.iww.org -------------- Join the One Big Union! --------------- ------------------------------------------------------ Software should not have owners - http://www.gnu.org ---- Use Debian GNU/Linux - http://www.debian.org ---- ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Parramatta Computer Access Network (PCAN) ------ ------------- http://www.cat.org.au/pcan ------------- ------------------------------------------------------ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 28 12:58:57 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:58:50 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61048 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:58:35 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA00489; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:57:57 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpd5szGxO; Mon May 28 02:57:54 2001 Message-ID: <3B11BD2C.283F7603@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:51:24 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Davidson CC: Craig Warner , ice@pnc.com.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: P-Can References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010527220702.00a00d40@pop3.norton.antivirus> <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au> <20010528115357.B678@sneaker.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Matthew Davidson wrote: > > On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 10:40:59PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: > > Craig Warner wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dave or Matthew , > > > > > > Thanks for the email about the meeting. > > > It seems there are two groups doing the same work. ComputerBank and P-CAN. > > Much to my embarrassment, I wasn't aware Computerbank was terribly > well-established in Sydney. I'd heard a whisper that plans had fizzled > out. Very remiss of me not to enquire further. Like a lot of groups/organisations, it has been taking a while to get going. I take that as an indicator that eventually it will become a strong entity. The short point is that we all need to work together and be prepared to accept some differences to make that happen. Again at the risk of being corrected, I will state what I see as happening with computerbank and we can see if there are someways we can go forward co-operatively. Computerbank NSW is about to be come incorporated. First choice is as part of Computerbank Australia (http://www.computerbank.org.au) as that would save a lot of effort in charity registration, tax and insurance fees, but we don't know how quickly this is going to happen. So we are currently waiting for an indication from CB Oz on time frame. If this is not going to happen quickly, CBNSW currently have the funds to go ourselves for incorporation, then join CB Oz when it gets up. CBNSW is looking around for premises (storage & workshop) as this would give us a definite place and allow us to open the gates. We currently have some storage in some members homes and some of these can host workdays, but it is not seen as ideal. They are also spread all over Sydney. I suspect most CBNSW members are eastern/inner/lower north shore, so that gives a focus. (There are the odd scattered like myself at Campbelltown). Most CBNSw projects to date have been small and mentored by one or two CB people with the recipients. ....snip... > I went to a couple of the server upgrade workshops CAT put on and was > absolutely blown away by how brilliantly they do the skill-sharing > thing. A great inspiration. It is good to lurk their list and watch this happening virtually. > so). Although of course a lot of what PCAN will do depends on what > people want to bring to it, so it's quite amorphous as I see it. We'll > be looking to establish networks with other groups, share resourses, > etc. Which is something that Computerbank would also seek to do. Our emphasis is on the re-use of computing equipment under open source software (proprietary stuff under sufferance {:-). We tend to come more from the technical than the community side. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 28 13:13:38 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 13:13:21 +1000 Received: from babel.apana.org.au ([202.12.88.4]:1103 "EHLO babel.apana.org.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 13:13:00 +1000 Received: by babel.apana.org.au (Linux Smail3.2.0.102 #2) id m154DFc-005iLLC; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:59:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:59:24 +1000 From: johna@babel.apana.org.au To: Terry Collins Cc: Craig Warner , ice@pnc.com.au, mdavids@sneaker.net.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: P-Can Message-ID: <20010528125924.C546@babel.apana.org.au> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010527220702.00a00d40@pop3.norton.antivirus> <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au>; from terryc@woa.com.au on Sun, May 27, 2001 at 10:40:59PM +1000 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Sun, May 27, 2001 at 10:40:59PM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: > Craig Warner wrote: > > > > Hi Dave or Matthew , > > > > Thanks for the email about the meeting. > > It seems there are two groups doing the same work. ComputerBank and P-CAN. > > Craig - as I understand it, they have a different focus. I think P-Can > is more public access, i.e centre/location based and looking to set up a > community centre. > > Whereas Computerbank is more about seeing hardware re-used and handing > the hardware over. > > P-Can wuld have more in common with CAT and Sydney indymedia centre. > > There is no reason why Computerbank can not work closely with P-Can. We > might be able to feed them some gear, etc. > > I'll be corrected if I've got ia a-about. {:-). Terry, Yes and No :) Our original plan was to focus on "moving hardware". Certainly. However, the way they do things in Melbourne is to provide both hardware and training. This makes sense with Linux. If we go with the Melbourne model, then we would be into training. And Melbournes provides a precedent, an approach. The issue is then, whether we are going with "the Melbourne model" or "the original approach". And I think there is a definite lean towards the Melbourne model at present. Cheers, -- John August Star Trek : Selling utopia to people who cannot afford it. - Peter Beckett cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon May 28 13:34:38 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 13:34:21 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61066 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 May 2001 13:34:07 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00603; Mon, 28 May 2001 13:35:09 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdXkKVUc; Mon May 28 03:35:06 2001 Message-ID: <3B11C5E3.B9EBADD9@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:28:35 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johna@babel.apana.org.au CC: Craig Warner , ice@pnc.com.au, mdavids@sneaker.net.au, cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: P-Can References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010527220702.00a00d40@pop3.norton.antivirus> <3B10F5DB.18064289@woa.com.au> <20010528125924.C546@babel.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox johna@babel.apana.org.au wrote: > Terry, > > Yes and No :) > > Our original plan was to focus on "moving hardware". Certainly. > > However, the way they do things in Melbourne is to provide both hardware > and training. This makes sense with Linux. I don't see it as a models issue or anything like that. CB NSW will do whatever members want to do/can do as far as I'm concerned (concensus decisions that we do or don't do things). I'm actually in favour of providing training; 1) as part of sharing open source knowledge, etc, 2) as a source of funds to pay for facilities, administration, etc. But, it will be up to having members that want to do this and have the skills. I'm just in favour of taking one thing on at a time so we can get going. Personally, I would like CBNSW to have it's own facilities with a training room for one very good reason - I have absolutely no interest in setting up 10 computers, running a class, then packing them all up for each lesson {:-). -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue May 29 20:52:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:51:40 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:1237 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:51:13 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4TAoxq09860; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:50:59 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4TApML26213; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:51:22 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010529204343.00a0a050@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:48:21 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: ComputerBank Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi folks, Just a reminder notice about the meeting on the 1st June at 7.00pm. Contact me direct for location details. Time is running out to be incorporated in NSW. I heard that ComputerBank was actually on the Today show on Channel Nine this morning. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 31 12:39:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 31 May 2001 12:38:46 +1000 Received: from [203.108.93.66] ([203.108.93.66]:2189 "HELO www.gulargambone.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 31 May 2001 12:38:25 +1000 Received: from michael (unverified [203.102.215.110]) by www.gulargambone.org (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:38:03 +0100 Message-ID: <200105301237480690.0106B58D@mail.coolahddg.com.au> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:37:48 -0700 Reply-To: michael@coolahddg.com.au From: "Michael C White" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: TechSoup Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Antirelay: Good relay from local net3 203.102.215.96/27 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox http://www.techsoup.org/ About TechSoup Powered by CompuMentor, one of the nation's oldest and largest nonprofit technology assistance agencies, TechSoup.org offers nonprofits one-stop shopping for their technology needs. 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This list will grow as we continue to negotiate discounts for nonprofit organizations with other suppliers, so that TechSoup.org is not just where you go to find out about new hardware and software, but where you go for good prices. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 31 12:39:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 31 May 2001 12:38:43 +1000 Received: from [203.108.93.66] ([203.108.93.66]:2189 "HELO www.gulargambone.org") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 31 May 2001 12:38:27 +1000 Received: from michael (unverified [203.102.215.110]) by www.gulargambone.org (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:38:05 +0100 Message-ID: <200105301237490840.0106BA14@mail.coolahddg.com.au> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:37:49 -0700 Reply-To: michael@coolahddg.com.au From: "Michael C White" To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: NEW: A Surdna report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Antirelay: Good relay from local net3 203.102.215.96/27 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox NEW: A Surdna report by Andrew Blau More than Bit Players: How Information Technology Will Change the Ways Nonprofits and Foundations Work and Thrive in the Information Age Directly at: http://www.surdna.org/documents/morefinal.pdf Surdna Foundation: http://www.surdna.org/ TOC: i More Than Bit Players Andrew Blau A Report to the Surdna Foundation May 2001 Table of Contents Foreword iii Introduction and Background 1 How Technology Changes the Way We Work 6 The nature of networked markets 8 The new operating environment 10 New costs of doing business 10 Technology requires change to produce change 11 Accessing a network is easy. Accessing an audience is hard 11 Winners keep on winning: the role of category killers 12 The end of geographic protection 13 Customers become collaborators 14 Under one roof, or over one network? 15 E pluribus unum 16 Pressures for increased user satisfaction 17 Impact on Foundations 17 Grantmaking strategies and other considerations 18 If nonprofits need to move quickly, so do their supporters 18 Learning from feedback is not a mistake 19 No half measures 19 Whose winner takes all? 20 Need for complementary investments 20 Foundations need new expertise 20 There will be expensive failures 21 IT will not only change organizations, it will change the field 21 Funding Technology Projects 22 Assessing information technology-based proposals 24 Advertising revenues are not sustaining many sites 24 The subscriber model is only successful in a handful of places 25 Retail rarely supports content 25 Decentralized networks call for decentralized projects 26 They can doesnt mean they will 27 Build it and you will have spent money building it 28 Hang together, or hang separately 28 Spending may happen on Internet time, but sustainable success happens in real time 28 Costs and contexts for technology-based projects 30 Not how much, but when? 31 Not how much, but what else? 32 Not how much, but how much more? 32 Not how much, but how much is enough? 32 Not how much, but how much will change? 33 Parting Considerations and Questions 34 Success for some will create new competition for resources: money, clients, and information 34 Will networked economies bring together or drive apart the interests of nonprofit donors and nonprofit clients? 38 What are the implications for place-based giving as networks remove the constraints of geography? 40 Can success at one level require failure at another? 41 What will cause change in the nonprofit sector? 42 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu May 31 17:38:45 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 31 May 2001 17:38:29 +1000 Received: from griva.sfgate.com ([209.1.77.104]:3474 "EHLO mail.sfgate.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 31 May 2001 17:38:13 +1000 Received: from bene2.sfgate.com ([209.1.77.75] helo=localhost) by mail.sfgate.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 155N0b-0001yz-00 for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Thu, 31 May 2001 00:36:41 -0700 Subject: SF Gate: Drowning in e-waste/Safe disposal of mountains of old PCs, monitors is a snowballing problem we've only begun to face Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-readerip: 203.36.152.133 To: "ComputerBank NSW" From: "Craig Warner" Organization: SF Gate, San Francisco, CA Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mime-version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:36 -0700 X-mailer: Mail::Sendmail version 0.77 Message-Id: Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox What a load of rubbish! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This article was sent to you by someone who found it on SF Gate. The original article can be found on SFGate.com here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/05/27/BU119228.DTL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday, May 27, 2001 (SF Chronicle) Drowning in e-waste/Safe disposal of mountains of old PCs, monitors is a snowballing problem we've only begun to face Henry Norr, Chronicle Staff Writer The new millennium hasn't been kind to cherished illusions. First it showed us that the new economy is subject to the same savage cycles as the old one. Then it forced us to face the fact that energy is a resource that's anything but unlimited. Now it's starting to teach another painful lesson: High tech, despite a carefully cultivated image as a clean-and-green New Age industry, has created a huge and ever-growing waste disposal problem. Solving it isn't going to be cheap or easy. For two decades, the industry has cranked out its wares by the tens of millions, with little regard to their ultimate disposition. Most of these products are laced with toxic materials that could threaten human health and the environment if incinerated or dumped into landfills. Given the industry's rapid rate of technical progress, most devices are considered obsolete within a few years, and sooner or later all of them will have to be disposed of. But this country's existing electronics-recycling infrastructure -- collection programs, disassembly facilities and reprocessing plants -- is far from adequate to the task of handling all that dangerous digital detritus, experts say. Creating the necessary facilities will be expensive, they add, and operating them even more so, because now and for the foreseeable future the value of components and materials that can be retrieved from old equipment doesn't come close to matching the cost of extracting them. And the parties that have begun to ponder the problem -- government agencies, environmentalists and a handful of manufacturers -- are deeply divided about who should have to cover the shortfall. The sheer magnitude of the problem is staggering. The only detailed study of the subject, published in 1999 by the National Safety Council's Environmental Health Center, projected that 500 million PC systems would become obsolete in the United States alone between 1997 and 2007. That widely quoted estimate appears to be somewhat exaggerated, because both businesses and consumers are keeping their PCs in service longer than the study's authors expected. Still, even if the actual number of retired PCs is well below the safety council's estimate, it's huge. And PCs are only part of the e-waste problem. Monitors are almost as numerous, and even richer in toxic materials. Then there are printers and other peripherals, plus steadily increasing numbers of cell phones and handhelds. And that's not to mention older-generation consumer electronics devices, like TVs, VCRs and boom boxes. POISON PRODUCTS The most obvious problem in all this aging gear is lead, which the Electronic Industries Association, one of high tech's main trade organizations, calls "a critical component in practically all electronics products." That's especially true of cathode-ray tubes, the bulky glass funnels most computer monitors, as well as TVs, are built around. Even a small CRT typically contains 4 to 8 pounds of lead, and larger screens have proportionately more. The lead in working monitors is not considered a health or safety problem for users, because it's embedded in the glass the tube is made of. (It's there to to protect users from the X-rays generated inside the tube). But when the tube is broken into fragments -- something likely to happen sooner or later to monitors dumped in landfills -- there's a substantial risk the heavy metal will leach into the environment. In laboratory tests, most color monitors decisively fail the standard leaching test the federal Environmental Protection Agency uses to identify hazardous wastes. PCs also contain lead, mainly in the solder that holds chips to circuit boards, and in that form it's even more likely to escape into the environment. Although discarded electronics currently account for only a few percent of the nation's total solid waste, these products already contribute between 30 and 40 percent of the lead in the waste stream, according to EPA estimates, and the percentage is rising fast. Although lead-free solder materials have been developed, they have not yet been adopted on a wide scale by the electronics industry. A four-year, $19 million collaborative R&D program sponsored by the electronic association concluded that "substitutes for tin-lead solder are not readily available or (don't) meet necessary performance requirements." In addition to lead, PCs and consumer electronics contain a witches' brew of other toxic materials, although generally in much smaller quantities. Circuit boards and other components may include beryllium, cadmium, selenium, hexavalent chromium and mercury. Connectors, cables and plastic covers often incorporate flame retardants, which are under increasing scientific suspicion as possible carcinogens. Switches often contain mercury, as do the fluorescent bulbs that light up liquid-crystal displays. THE ASIAN CONNECTION So far, very little of this nation's digital flotsam and jetsam is being recycled. Only 11 percent of the PCs retired in 1998 were recycled, the NSC study reckoned. An additional 3 percent was refurbished for resale or donation to schools or charities, either directly or through nonprofit intermediaries such as the 10-year-old Bay Area group the Computer Recycling Center (www.crc.org). That's a commendable practice, of course, but one that only postpones the question of the equipment's ultimate disposition when it breaks down or grows so old no one wants it. Besides, in the case of electronic equipment, "recycling" often turns out to mean simply "removal" rather than proper reprocessing. Although precise data aren't available, industry insiders -- like Renee St. Denis, product recycling solutions manager at Hewlett-Packard in Roseville -- say a large percentage of the material sent to recyclers is eventually sold as mixed scrap to wholesale brokers, who in turn export it in bulk to other countries, mainly in Asia. Seven years ago, St. Denis took over what was then a small-scale HP program to recover service parts from discarded computers the company had been using internally. The remaining machinery was sold for pennies a pound to scrap brokers. St. Denis began to look into where it went from there. "We followed the chain, and we didn't like what we saw at the end of it," she said. "Typically, it ended up in Third World countries with very little in the way of environmental standards." The NSC researchers voiced similar suspicions. They were unable to account for what actually happened to more than half the CRTs ostensibly recycled in 1998. Their conclusion: Most of the missing monitors probably went into bulk shipments to China. An international agreement known as the Basel Convention regulates traffic in hazardous waste. Nearly all major nations, including the United States, have signed the agreement, but three signatories have failed to ratify it: Afghanistan, Haiti and the United States. A ban on export of hazardous materials from industrial to nonindustrial countries was adopted under the convention in 1994 and accepted by the European Union, but this country has rejected that rule. Fortunately, experts say, the bulk of the nation's e-waste hasn't gone anywhere yet, except into storage. Although no one knows for sure, the EPA and others in the field frequently cite an estimate that 75 percent of our unused electronic gear is sitting in closets, attics and warehouses. But everyone knows that can't go on forever. GROWING AWARENESS Until recently, most Americans have been oblivious to these issues, even though they've attracted increasing attention -- and spurred sweeping new legislation -- in Japan and Europe. Aside from occasional one-day drop-off programs in some communities, consumers and small businesses have had no convenient way to recycle truly obsolete electronics. Now, things are starting to change. Consider these recent developments: -- San Francisco has taken a series of steps to promote electronics recycling. Last summer, the city began a pilot program under which consumers and small businesses can drop off equipment at five computer dealers or at HMR, an Australian recycling company with a facility near China Basin. The city even paid $100,000 to help HMR defray the cost of a machine capable of crushing 300 CRTs an hour. In conjunction with HMR, Sanitary Fill, the Norcal subsidiary that runs the city's solid-waste transfer station, also began recycling computers, monitors and TVs dropped off at its facility at 501 Tunnel Ave. Residents taking advantage of that program have to pay per-pound fees plus a surcharge for monitors -- $13 for a 15-inch monitor, for example. But residents who pay their own garbage bills, as well as apartment owners, can now arrange to have such devices picked up by appointment and recycled free of charge under the city's bulky-item collection program. -- Representatives of dozens of local companies, nonprofits and environmental and waste-management agencies came together last November to form the San Francisco Bay Area Electronics Recycling Infrastructure Working Group. Convened by the Materials for the Future Foundation -- a San Francisco group that has been exploring the problem for several years -- and sponsored by the California Integrated Waste Management Board and the regional office of the federal EPA, the task force has since held two other large meetings to explore solutions to the e-waste problem. -- In response to a request for clarification of state regulations from the new Bay Area working group, California's Department of Toxic Substances Control decided in March that CRTs are hazardous waste and therefore can't be dumped in municipal landfills. In fact, the DTSC declared that has always been the case under state regulations, although it had never enforced or even articulated such a policy before. The agency's ruling should bring an end to what has been a common practice in the state. But it has left recyclers and solid-waste handlers in a dicey legal position, because few of them -- even HMR, the company with the city- supported monitor-crushing machine -- are certified to handle hazardous waste, which requires special training, record-keeping and insurance. In its policy statement, though, the DTSC said it "does not intend to disrupt the current, safe collection and recycling of CRTs" -- in effect declaring that it will ignore legal technicalities for the time being. Officials had hoped the Legislature would create a new legal status for CRT recyclers, but with Sacramento distracted for now by the energy crisis, the DTSC is reportedly drafting emergency regulations to address the problem. (An agency spokeswoman declined to comment.) -- Environmental activists and waste-management officials are stepping up pressure on electronics-makers to take responsibility, in one way or another, for the safe disposal of their products. The Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition, a San Jose nonprofit, recently initiated an Electronics Take It Back! campaign, demanding that manufacturers arrange or pay for collection and recycling of their wares when they become obsolete -- the same "polluter pays" principle that underlies laws recently adopted in Japan and several European countries. Meanwhile, a broader coalition that calls itself the National Electronics Product Stewardship Initiative last month began discussions with the industry on plans that wouldn't put the whole burden on the industry, but would require it to take greater responsibility for the problem. The group plans to hold a second round of discussions in San Francisco next month. -- In response to such pressures, the industry has begun to promote recycling -- but in ways that cost it little. According to electronic association spokesman Rob Nichols, the committee of 60 chief executive officers that sets the trade group's policy directions recently declared environmental issues one of its top four priorities. At January's Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, the group handed out T-shirts that read "Don't trash your PC," and the following month it started a Web site -- www.eiae.org - - to help consumers locate donation programs and recycling companies. Meanwhile, IBM last fall and HP last week began fee-based programs that let consumers send in unwanted computing gear to be refurbished and donated or recycled. Under HP's Web-based program, for example, charges range from $13 to $34 per item. Dell and Gateway have also created donation and trade-in programs, while Sony is collecting and recycling its own products free -- in Minnesota only. MASSACHUSETTS' DILEMMA One factor pushing the cost issue to center stage is the example of Massachusetts, which prohibited landfilling of CRT monitors and televisions more than a year ago. Unlike California, which backed into its recent ban without advance planning, widespread public debate or legislative action, the Bay State planned carefully for the move. There, the ban was adopted by the state legislature, which funded a program of seed grants to help the state's cities and towns implement it. The idea was that the grants would enable the municipalities not only to set up collection programs, but also to find markets for the recycled products and that the resulting revenues, combined with recycling fees paid to be paid by residents, would make the program financially self-supporting. Unfortunately, according to state Rep. Mark Carron, that hasn't happened. "No one has been able to make it self-sustaining," he said last week, and with the seed grants soon to expire, "the cities and towns are starting to feel the pinch." In response, Carron has introduced a bill that would prohibit manufacturers from selling CRTs in the state until they have established a state-approved plan for collecting such products -- at the company's expense -- when buyers no longer want them. DESIGN FOR RECYCLING While the debate is still taking shape in the United States, it appears to be approaching a climax in Europe. Earlier this month, the European Parliament approved new legislation, more than five years in the making, based on a principle known as "extended producer responsibility." It requires electronics manufacturers to pay for collection and recycling of most obsolete electronics products, from hair dryers to PCs, at the end of their useful lives. The program won't go into effect until it is approved by the governments of the European Union's member states. But its passage in the European Parliament was a major victory for environmentalists -- and a stunning defeat for electronics industry organizations based in the United States, which had adamantly opposed the plan and even enlisted the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative to lobby against it. Industry lobbyists succeeded, however, in persuading the parliament to water down a companion bill that would have required manufacturers to phase out use of many toxic materials in their products. That provision had drawn even-heavier fire from U.S. trade groups, which argued that many of the alleged health risks weren't proven and that safe and effective substitutes for the suspect materials aren't yet available. Through the long haul, though, all sides agree that changing the way electronics products are designed is key to addressing the environmental challenges they raise. Phasing out use of toxic materials is one important goal, but not the only one, according to experts. Equipment also must be made easier to upgrade, so users will keep it in use longer even as technology evolves, and easier to dismantle at the end of its life, so separating components and materials for recycling won't be as complicated and costly as it is today. Manufacturers also have to avoid practices like coating or painting plastics, which can make recycling impractical, and incorporate more recycled materials into their products. IBM last year released one computer model, the IntelliStation E Pro, in which all plastics are made of recycled resins. According to Wayne Balta, the company's director of corporate environmental affairs, it was an experiment intended to "kick start the use of recycled plastics and to prove to ourselves and the outside world that it could be done, " but so far the example has not been followed either in other products from competitors or even IBM itself. To Ted Smith, executive director of the Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition (recently honored by the Dalai Lama as one of the Bay Area's "unsung heroes of compassion"), promoting greener design is one of the key arguments for making manufacturers take responsibility for recycling electronics products. "The 'polluter pays' principle sends a strong signal to the companies to change," he told a Commonwealth Club audience in San Francisco this month. When manufacturers have to cover the costs of recycling, he said, "it creates a powerful incentive . . . to reduce such costs by designing products that are clean, safe, durable, reusable, repairable, upgradable, and easy to disassemble and recycle." E-mail Henry Norr at hnorr@sfchronicle.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright 2001 SF Chronicle cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jun 4 19:58:09 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:57:52 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2518 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:57:37 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f549v1q05474; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:57:17 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f549v9L14315; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:57:13 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010604195220.00a06500@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:53:26 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: ComputerBank Meeting 010501 Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Meeting 01/06/01 Agenda: To discuss the Incorporation of ComputerBank NSW. Started: 1900Hrs Closed: 2100Hrs Present: Craig Warner Darren Gibbs David McQuire James Hamilton Hans Olmanshof Mark Willis Apologies: Terry Collins Nik Lam John Coote Basil Potts Minutes: Open to the floor to discuss whether or not to Incorporate as ComputerBank NSW. Motion to Incorporate moved by David McQuire Seconded by James Hamilton. For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed. Open to the floor the nominations of acting Officer bearers until the next Annual General Meeting. President: Vice President: Secretary: Treasurer: For the nomination of President. 1. Craig Warner No other nominations presented from the floor Motion to nominated Craig Warner moved by David McQuire Seconded by James Hamilton. Nomination accepted by Craig Warner For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed For the nomination of Vice President. No other nominations presented from the floor Position Vacant For the nomination of Secretary. 1. James Hamilton No other nominations presented from the floor Motion to nominated James Hamilton moved by David McQuire Seconded by Craig Warner Nomination accepted by James Hamilton For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed For the nomination of Treasurer Motion to nominated David McQuire moved by James Hamilton Seconded by Craig Warner Nomination accepted by David McQuire For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed Motion to accept Model Rules for associations incorporated under the Association Incorporated Act, 1984. Motion to accept the rules moved by James Hamilton Seconded by Craig Warner For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed Motion to accepted Statement of Purpose. Statement of Purpose, ComputerBank NSW. The purpose and objects of Association are: 1. to promote and encourage computer literacy throughout the community. 2. to solicit and accept donations of computer equipment both new and used. 3. to loan computer systems assembled from donations to approved recipients. 4. to promote, encourage and provide training in the use of loan computers. 5. to promote the objectives of the Free Software Foundation of 59 Temple Place - Suite 330 Boston, MA 02111-1307, United States of America and its ideals of developing and promoting computer software that users are authorized to copy and modify. 6. to undertake promotional and fundraising activities as required from time to time to achieve these objectives, and 7. to associate or affiliate with other organizations having similar or complementary objectives. Motion to accept the statement moved by James Hamilton Seconded by Craig Warner For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed Next Meeting is set down for Tuesday 3rd July 2001. Meeting Closed PS If any one would like a copy of the Model Rules for associations incorporated under the Association Incorporated Act, 1984. email me direct cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jun 4 20:01:12 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:00:58 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:2524 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:00:38 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f54A0Uq05485; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:00:30 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f54A0pL14328; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 20:00:52 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010603122925.009e9b60@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:52:27 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: ComputerBank Meeting 010501 Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Meeting 01/06/01 Agenda: To discuss the Incorporation of ComputerBank NSW. Started: 1900Hrs Closed: 2100Hrs Present: Craig Warner Darren Gibbs David McQuire James Hamilton Hans Olmanshof Mark Willis Apologies: Terry Collins Nik Lam John Coote Basil Potts Minutes: Open to the floor to discuss whether or not to Incorporate as ComputerBank NSW. Motion to Incorporate moved by David McQuire Seconded by James Hamilton. For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed. Open to the floor the nominations of acting Officer bearers until the next Annual General Meeting. President: Vice President: Secretary: Treasurer: For the nomination of President. 1. Craig Warner No other nominations presented from the floor Motion to nominated Craig Warner moved by David McQuire Seconded by James Hamilton. Nomination accepted by Craig Warner For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed For the nomination of Vice President. No other nominations presented from the floor Position Vacant For the nomination of Secretary. 1. James Hamilton No other nominations presented from the floor Motion to nominated James Hamilton moved by David McQuire Seconded by Craig Warner Nomination accepted by James Hamilton For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed For the nomination of Treasurer Motion to nominated David McQuire moved by James Hamilton Seconded by Craig Warner Nomination accepted by David McQuire For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed Motion to accept Model Rules for associations incorporated under the Association Incorporated Act, 1984. Motion to accept the rules moved by James Hamilton Seconded by Craig Warner For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed Rules are attached. Motion to accepted Statement of Purpose. Statement of Purpose, ComputerBank NSW. The purpose and objects of Association are: 1. to promote and encourage computer literacy throughout the community. 2. to solicit and accept donations of computer equipment both new and used. 3. to loan computer systems assembled from donations to approved recipients. 4. to promote, encourage and provide training in the use of loan computers. 5. to promote the objectives of the Free Software Foundation of 59 Temple Place - Suite 330 Boston, MA 02111-1307, United States of America and its ideals of developing and promoting computer software that users are authorized to copy and modify. 6. to undertake promotional and fundraising activities as required from time to time to achieve these objectives, and 7. to associate or affiliate with other organizations having similar or complementary objectives. Motion to accept the statement moved by James Hamilton Seconded by Craig Warner For the motion: 6 Against the motion: 0 Motion passed Next Meeting is set down for Tuesday 3rd July 2001. Meeting Closed cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jun 4 22:46:22 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:45:57 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64868 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:45:37 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02052; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:49:53 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdwAQyrk; Mon Jun 4 12:49:47 2001 Message-ID: <3B1B81C1.E5A35E54@woa.com.au> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:40:33 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Warner CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: ComputerBank Meeting 010501 References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010604195220.00a06500@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: ..snip .. Well done people, great to see. > For the nomination of Treasurer > Motion to nominated David McQuire moved by James Hamilton > Seconded by Craig Warner > Nomination accepted by David McQuire David, could you send me your snail address as I have three cheques and doco to send to you for deposit to the Computerbank account. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 5 09:29:44 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:29:37 +1000 Received: from mpower3.marshmc.com ([206.8.63.131]:3644 "EHLO mpower3.marshmc.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:29:17 +1000 Received: from [168.74.83.43] by mpower3.marshmc.com with ESMTP for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:28:47 Z Received: from marsh40-gw.email.marshmc.com by marsh3.marshmc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 4 Jun 2001 23:28:27 Z X400-Received: by mta MTAmrshmc1 in /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 04 Jun 2001 23:28:07 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 04 Jun 2001 23:28:07 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; 013D43B1C1987003-mrshmc1] Content-Identifier: 013D43B1C1987003 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <013D43B1C1987003*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Date: 04 Jun 2001 23:28:07 Z From: Craig Warner To: cb-nsw Subject: Register Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox The first of the paper work was posted this morning for the registering of ComputerBank NSW. I've checked with the ASIC, there are no other organisations registered at the time as ComputerBank. Please do not reply to this email. Use craigw@blue.net.au Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 5 22:10:20 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:10:05 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61149 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:09:46 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA07033; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:15:18 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdXZlvty; Tue Jun 5 12:15:11 2001 Message-ID: <3B1CCB10.50200973@woa.com.au> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 22:05:36 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kylie Davies CC: cbnsw , Craig Warner Subject: Re: National development and Media activities of late References: <991730735.3b1c9c2f1deee@emux1.projectx.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Kylie Davies wrote: > > Hi All, > > Sorry to have not informed all re the publicity CBV has been generating down in > Melbourne the past few weeks. It all just happened way too quick. :( Good to recieve information. > enquiries from qld, sa and nsw. And even better that response is national. > > There have been a number of calls from people wanting to donate equipment in > Sydney, yet CBV is fully aware that CBNSW cant cope with too much more equipment > without a space to work from or to store goods in. Is this still the case guys? Could I have who, where, what (numbers?) > Where possible I am asking Sydney donators if they can hold their gear for a bit > until things are sorted out a little better. What is the story NSW, how are > things at the moment? If we can get an idea on who is offering what, we might be able to accept a few. I don't like to keep people waiting when they offer. It might also allow us to look at fulfilling a few requests. I think it would be nice to do a few small projects to get the kinks out. And see what we have for a bigger project (identicat equipment). I have some space now and I'm thinking I really need a shed/garage clean out anyway, plus I have some time on my hands. For NSW people, my idea is basically is get some stuff into play with/build up an inventory, so we can get serious about taking on a project. We seem keen to go, so I figure your people are not going to leave stuff lying around anyway and this stuff will move soon (it will won't it?) I'll also offer to make the MacLUG date (third Saturday - http://www.woa.com.au/maclug) a joint one with Computerbank, i.e basically Linux open house. It is all Linux and the numbers vary for MacLUG, so I can not see any problems as I think most people are Sluggers anyway.. > For those folk that would like to do something sooner the only option is for you > to become full paid up members of CBV. In this way you are protected by our > public liability and volunteer insurance covers. How much? > > If anyone has any questions or comments to make please send them to this list > and not to me, I\'d rather have this discussed openly. I've gone to NSW list as I'm basically interested in the pickup side, so they will now what is going on. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 6 13:44:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:44:13 +1000 Received: from mpower3.marshmc.com ([206.8.63.131]:1254 "EHLO mpower3.marshmc.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 13:43:55 +1000 Received: from [168.74.83.43] by mpower3.marshmc.com with ESMTP for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:43:38 Z Received: from marsh40-gw.email.marshmc.com by marsh3.marshmc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:43:32 Z X400-Received: by mta MTAmrshmc1 in /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 06 Jun 2001 03:43:20 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 06 Jun 2001 03:43:20 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; 053593B1DA6D8124-mrshmc1] Content-Identifier: 053593B1DA6D8124 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <053593B1DA6D8124*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Date: 06 Jun 2001 03:43:20 Z From: Craig Warner To: "e.howard" cc: cb-nsw Subject: CBNSW Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Please not reply to this email address. Direct all emails to craigw@blue.net.au Edward, Thanks for asking about ComputerBank NSW. The situation at present for CBNSW is that we are being incorporated in NSW at present. ComputerBank NSW so far has to encompassed people from Coolah to the west and hopefully from other parts of the State. I see in no way that this will be driven from Sydney but will be driven from the need to share both knowledge and equipment. As soon as the incorporation is complete, hopefully by the end of June 2001, ComputerBank NSW has three projects on the books, one primary School, Youth drop in centre and a Hospice. If you need to discuss ComputerBank NSW, please feel free to contact me. Regards Craig Warner ____________________ Craig Warner Operations Administrator Marsh Pty Ltd 60 Margaret Street Sydney, New South Wales 2000 AUSTRALIA Phone: (61-28) 243-7543 Fax: (61-28) 243-7550 Internet: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com ____________________ cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 6 17:32:48 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:32:31 +1000 Received: from atlas.projectx.com.au ([203.21.104.43]:4987 "HELO emux1.projectx.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:32:17 +1000 Received: by emux1.projectx.com.au (Postfix, from userid 33) id 5CFD022EF0B; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 17:02:22 +1000 (EST) To: Terry Collins Subject: Re: National development and Media activities of late Message-ID: <991810942.3b1dd57e49f54@emux1.projectx.com.au> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:02:22 +1000 (EST) From: Kylie Davies Cc: cbnsw References: <991730735.3b1c9c2f1deee@emux1.projectx.com.au> <3B1CCB10.50200973@woa.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3B1CCB10.50200973@woa.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 198.142.228.146 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi again, Terry; I\'ve informed someone of your email address so when they are ready for a collection to take place I imagine that they will give you an email. (few systems from a company; name unknown) For other donations - I\'ll forward all to you for follow up. A lot of these come into the computerbank@mbox.com.au and we are still working through these. In terms of volunteers to contact (maybe already contacted) there is a chap called Ron Hancock who may have already been in contact with Craig Warner via email. If you need this person\'s phone number for a contact please let me know and I can send it in a personal email to the right person. Membership fees for CBV are $10 a person. > If we can get an idea on who is offering what, we might be able to > accept a few. I don\'t like to keep people waiting when they offer. > > It might also allow us to look at fulfilling a few requests. I think it > would be nice to do a few small projects to get the kinks out. And see > what we have for a bigger project (identicat equipment). Guise as a pilot project. :) I also have a letter from Inner Sydney Waste Board (snail mail) and will make a copy for forwarding to Craig. On this note can i have your snail address Craig? Cheers, Kylie ------------------------------------------------- www.projectx.com.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 12 09:04:58 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:04:43 +1000 Received: from acmta2.techmail.techrepublic.com ([208.50.157.223]:46729 "EHLO acmta2.techmail.techrepublic.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:04:33 +1000 Received: from app4 (10.200.0.23) by acmta2.techmail.techrepublic.com (PowerMTA(TM) v1.1); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:04:20 -0400 (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <31548758.992300656038.JavaMail.root@app4> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: craig.warner@marshmc.com To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Insightful article(s) from TechRepublic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Recycling computer parts: The debate rages on http://www.techrepublic.com/article.jhtml?id=r00320010608wtn01.htm&page=1 Required Access: Passport TechRepublic, the IT Community Hub, provides content, context and community to IT strategists, network administrators, training providers, and other enterprise computing professionals so they can be more successful at their jobs. cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 13 20:45:30 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:45:19 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61597 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:44:54 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA19607; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:52:51 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from UNKNOWN(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdsnU7zd; Wed Jun 13 10:52:49 2001 Message-ID: <3B274333.F06E28F5@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:40:51 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slug List , slug-announce@slug.org.au, cbnsw Subject: Late Reminder on Maclug this Saturday. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox SLUG: The next meeting of Macarthur Linux Users Group (MacLUG) will be on Saturday 16th June from 10am to whenever. http://www.woa.com.au/maclug/ I guess everyone knows the drill by now. These are now a joint meeting with Computerbank-NSW people (http://www.cbnsw.org.au/ - just bookmark it, if interested) (most are sluggers). CB people - I don't have any new bits and bobs to play with yet. BCC's - let me know if you want to be taken off -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Jun 15 20:07:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:07:11 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4859 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:06:58 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5FA4pu05887; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:04:52 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.12]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5FA5Df23938; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:05:13 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010615195300.009eaae0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:00:29 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Name rights Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi, I received a letter from the Department of Fair Trading today , I quote from this: 'The word(s) BANK is/are unacceptable in a name, when it suggests the carrying on of a financial or banking activity, unless evidence is provided to show the proprietor is registered with the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority.' We can request a reconsideration if evidence can be provided. I would like your feed back on this. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Jun 15 21:30:59 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:30:41 +1000 Received: from nhj.nlc.net.au ([203.24.133.1]:7252 "HELO nhj.nlc.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:30:23 +1000 Received: (qmail 29367 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 21:30:13 +1000 X-Filtered: qmail-filter $Revision: 1.6 $ $Date: 2001/02/13 23:41:19 $ Received: from port020.sydney.nlc.net.au (HELO default) (203.24.133.147) by nhj.nlc.net.au with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 21:30:12 +1000 Message-ID: <004d01c0f58e$622c3780$938518cb@default> From: "Basil Potts" To: "Craig Warner" Cc: , References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010615195300.009eaae0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Subject: Re: Name rights Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:28:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Can we quote the precedent of other states? I also believe that Canada has a Salmonbank (or some such name) for a similar kind of environmentally sensitive barter arrangement as Computerbank. Basil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Warner" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Name rights > Hi, > > I received a letter from the Department of Fair Trading today , I quote > from this: > > 'The word(s) BANK is/are unacceptable in a name, when it suggests the > carrying on of a financial or banking activity, unless evidence is provided > to show the proprietor is registered with the Australian Prudential > Regulation Authority.' > > We can request a reconsideration if evidence can be provided. > > I would like your feed back on this. > > Craig > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Jun 16 13:32:03 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:31:56 +1000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]:3533 "EHLO vasquez.zip.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:31:42 +1000 Received: from zipperii.zip.com.au (dazza@zipperii.zip.com.au [61.8.0.87]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA03063; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:31:36 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:31:36 +1000 (EST) From: DaZZa To: Craig Warner cc: , Subject: Re: Name rights In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010615195300.009eaae0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: Approved: The Chicken lovers guide to (l)user Re-education. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > I received a letter from the Department of Fair Trading today , I quote > from this: > > 'The word(s) BANK is/are unacceptable in a name, when it suggests the > carrying on of a financial or banking activity, unless evidence is provided > to show the proprietor is registered with the Australian Prudential > Regulation Authority.' > > We can request a reconsideration if evidence can be provided. > > I would like your feed back on this. I'd have to say that's a load of codswallop. You can site places like "Peoplebank" {Employment agency}, "The Blood Bank" {Red Cross}, "The Image Bank" {Graphic design?}, "White Bank packaging supplies" {the name says it all}, and numerous others - a quick search on the white pages gave me these. I'd protest - there's plenty of precedent for businesses using the word "bank" in their name without performing any form of financial operations. Talk about bloody minded beurocrats {and yes, I know I can't spell}. DaZZa cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sat Jun 16 16:40:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:40:15 +1000 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:3749 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:40:05 +1000 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5G6bqC17877; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:37:53 +1000 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:37:52 +1000 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: Craig Warner cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, kylied@projectx.com.au Subject: Re: Name rights In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010615195300.009eaae0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig, registerd in NSW and not related to carrying out financial activity: NSW R2568537 REGD ST. VINCENT DE PAUL FOODBANK NSW BN97703013 REGD SECOND HARVEST FOODBANK NSW BN97816658 REGD UKI ART BANK NSW V5918112 REGD CAPSTONE ARTBANK NSW T1913116 REGD THE OLD BANK GALLERY NSW R9604820 REGD BATTERY BANK NSW R8830228 REGD THE CARTOON BANK NSW M8688425 REGD THE PHOTO BANK NSW T5593227 REGD KIM'S HAIR BANK NSW L4288035 REGD THE IMAGE BANK NSW BN9773968 REGD HUNTER IMAGE BANK NSW T8164924 REGD BOB'S MOVIEBANK NSW BN97714734 REGD STONEBANK IMPORTS NSW BN97726289 REGD STONE BANK PRODUCTION NSW V7812711 REGD THE SOUND BANK NSW C9334131 REGD WILLOWBANK CO NSW D3444347 REGD WILLOWBANK PARTNERSHIP I have not included any of the myriad organisations that are registered outside of NSW but operate nationally. I have also not included organisations that were previously registered in NSW, thus indicating taht at some stage they had been approved to use "bank" in their name. Given the relationship to and the recognition of cb-vic, I would be willing to take this name claim to the minister, Craig, and would be happy to write the letter. James On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > Hi, > > I received a letter from the Department of Fair Trading today , I quote > from this: > > 'The word(s) BANK is/are unacceptable in a name, when it suggests the > carrying on of a financial or banking activity, unless evidence is provided > to show the proprietor is registered with the Australian Prudential > Regulation Authority.' > > We can request a reconsideration if evidence can be provided. > > I would like your feed back on this. > > Craig > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Sun Jun 17 10:32:50 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:32:42 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:1779 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:32:31 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5H0UTu12313; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:30:30 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5H0UYf31372; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:30:37 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010617102011.009f6470@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:27:22 +1000 To: James Hamilton From: Craig Warner Subject: Re: Name rights Cc: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au, kylied@projectx.com.au In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010615195300.009eaae0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox James, After the HIH insurance crap (and thats all I'm allowed to say), you right, this comes from a script of 'Yes Minister'. As I received this letter on Friday afternoon, I have not had the chance to follow it up yet. On Monday I will follow up with both my Local member Clover Moore and Minister for the Dept of Fair? Trading. In fact I will write a letter this afternoon with the information supplied. Lets get noticed! Craig At 04:37 PM 16/06/2001, James Hamilton wrote: >Craig, > >registerd in NSW and not related to carrying out financial activity: > >NSW R2568537 REGD ST. VINCENT DE PAUL FOODBANK >NSW BN97703013 REGD SECOND HARVEST FOODBANK >NSW BN97816658 REGD UKI ART BANK >NSW V5918112 REGD CAPSTONE ARTBANK >NSW T1913116 REGD THE OLD BANK GALLERY >NSW R9604820 REGD BATTERY BANK >NSW R8830228 REGD THE CARTOON BANK >NSW M8688425 REGD THE PHOTO BANK >NSW T5593227 REGD KIM'S HAIR BANK >NSW L4288035 REGD THE IMAGE BANK >NSW BN9773968 REGD HUNTER IMAGE BANK >NSW T8164924 REGD BOB'S MOVIEBANK >NSW BN97714734 REGD STONEBANK IMPORTS >NSW BN97726289 REGD STONE BANK PRODUCTION >NSW V7812711 REGD THE SOUND BANK >NSW C9334131 REGD WILLOWBANK CO >NSW D3444347 REGD WILLOWBANK PARTNERSHIP > > >I have not included any of the myriad organisations that are registered >outside of NSW but operate nationally. I have also not included >organisations that were previously registered in NSW, thus indicating taht >at some stage they had been approved to use "bank" in their name. > >Given the relationship to and the recognition of cb-vic, I would be >willing to take this name claim to the minister, Craig, and would be happy >to write the letter. > >James > > > > >On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Craig Warner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I received a letter from the Department of Fair Trading today , I quote > > from this: > > > > 'The word(s) BANK is/are unacceptable in a name, when it suggests the > > carrying on of a financial or banking activity, unless evidence is > provided > > to show the proprietor is registered with the Australian Prudential > > Regulation Authority.' > > > > We can request a reconsideration if evidence can be provided. > > > > I would like your feed back on this. > > > > Craig > > > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list > > cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jun 18 17:49:17 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:48:59 +1000 Received: from web12501.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.193]:3982 "HELO web12501.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:48:49 +1000 Message-ID: <20010618074843.75696.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.76.17.27] by web12501.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:48:43 EST Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:48:43 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: PC storage To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010615195300.009eaae0@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Dear All I'm about to move to a new place where there will not be any room to keep CB PCs. I currently have about 15 PCs, monitors etc in my laundry and I need them to be elswhere. I can help with transporting them to their latest temporary storage. They'll need to be shifted on or before the weekend of the 30th/1st Regards John Coote _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 19 20:36:01 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:35:40 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:1793 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:34:49 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5JAWjs06860 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:32:50 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.14]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5JAX8f07946 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:33:08 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010619195601.009ebec0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:28:47 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Computer Hardware Recovery Program Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, I've followed up on the Inner Sydney Waste Board and the computer hardware recovery program. It involves the following councils of Auburn, Ashfield, Burwood, Canada Bay, Leichhardt, Strathfield and the City of Sydney. They have asked a few questions of ComputerBank NSW under the following headings. I would like to get the groups feed back on the questions. Promotion Campaign Where is promotion most needed? Who should be targeted? Would you be happy to be listed as a contact on promotional material? Internet List Server Would you be prepared to be listed on an Internet promotional site? Do you think the server can play a role linking donor and recycling groups to unwanted hardware units? Would you use this services? Collection Day Would you be prepared to be involved in a collection day?(please specify) Collection Service Would you be prepared to be involved in a dial up collection service?(please specify) Second Hand Dealer Promotion Program If you are a second hand dealer, would you be prepared to recycle used computer hardware and be certified as a Computer Hardware Recycler? _____________________________________________________________________________________ Department of Fair Trading. I've used the information provided by James, thanks, and wrote a letter and faxed to the Minister, the department and my local member, for good measure, to reverse the decision of the Department. I have not heard a word yet. I will follow up with a call tomorrow. Computers at John's Place. I willing to store them for the time being at my house but I have no transport ability. So if any one has access to a ute or suitable vehicle. Email or phone me please. Clients. I received another call from a community group today, begging for five PC's. So need is there. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Thu Jun 21 07:31:06 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 21 Jun 2001 07:30:50 +1000 Received: from 093.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au ([203.134.163.93]:4437 "EHLO smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:54:46 +1000 Received: from pop3.blue.net.au (IDENT:root@pop3.blue.net.au [192.168.100.104]) by smtp-relay.bluenetgroup.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5KBqZs09499; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:52:36 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.10]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5KBqvf12614; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:53:00 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010620214657.009ffd90@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:48:43 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Meeting Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, Just to let you know I have a meeting scheduled for Tuesday with the Inner City Waste Board. Still no word from the Department of Fair Trading. Craig PS any one able to help with John Coote? cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jun 25 15:24:46 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:24:28 +1000 Received: from mpower3.marshmc.com ([206.8.63.131]:40080 "EHLO mpower3.marshmc.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:24:08 +1000 Received: from [168.74.83.43] by mpower3.marshmc.com with ESMTP for cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 04:49:49 Z Received: from marsh40-gw.email.marshmc.com by marsh3.marshmc.com (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 25 Jun 2001 04:49:37 Z X400-Received: by mta MTAmrshmc1 in /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 25 Jun 2001 04:49:21 Z X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; Relayed; 25 Jun 2001 04:49:21 Z X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/; 00AF83B36C2D119B-mrshmc1] Content-Identifier: 00AF83B36C2D119B Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Craig.Warner@marshmc.com X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; Message-Id: <00AF83B36C2D119B*/c=AU/admd=mci/prmd=marshmc/o=email/ou=NotesWREN/s=Warner/g=Craig/@MHS> Date: 25 Jun 2001 04:49:21 Z From: Craig Warner To: cb-nsw Subject: equipment pickup Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox PLEASE DONOT REPLY TO THIS ADDRESS. use craigw@blue.net.au I have an urgent transport requirement. The company I work for is tossing out a NEC 21" monitor. Works at 800x600 but poor at other higher resolutions. Could any be able to assist with transport. Craig 0414 603 200 cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jun 25 20:13:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:13:00 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:64157 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:12:52 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.11]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5PAD5006297 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:13:05 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010625194735.009f2440@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 20:08:29 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, Just a small note, if you get an email from me from any address other then craigw@blue.net.au, please only reply to that address. Last Friday, I received a letter from the Department of Fair Trading. We now have a reservation of the name "COMPUTERBANK NSW Inc". I would like to thank James for his research, as this made a major part of my letter to the Department on the first rejection. So that is a small step. Tomorrow, I hope to have a meeting with the Inner City Waste Board. I hope to see something that we can use, ie space some where. Does any one have John Cootes contact details? Dazza and Terry have indicated that they can help with the logistics. Kylie has been in contact last week, expressing some concern that we had gone a ahead with incorporation. We discussed issues about where NSW is up to, InnerCity Waste board, Space and Incorporation. According to Kylie, ComputerBank Australia will be in place by the 18th of July. As we in NSW have already voted to incorporate, I believe that Kylie should present evidence in writing about this. I believe the next meeting should discuss this and propose a reply to Kylie. Could someone put together a FAQ on how to get on the CB-NSW mailing list for interested parties? Just a reminder of the next Meeting, Tuesday 3rd July 2001. Craig cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 26 10:46:31 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:46:15 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:61785 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:45:59 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06664; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:56:45 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from owl.woa.com.au(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpd0ws5ZG; Tue Jun 26 00:56:35 2001 Message-ID: <3B3866D4.BBC77551@woa.com.au> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:41:24 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Craig Warner CC: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010625194735.009f2440@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: > > Hi all, > ...snip..... > So that is a small step. Tomorrow, I hope to have a meeting with the Inner > City Waste Board. I hope to see something that we can use, ie space some where. I don't want to rain on your parade here, but ...opened a local rag today to find out that the Macarthur Waste Board is being closed down. Something about being replaced by a state based body. Just keep it in mind. On the otherhand, this might make it easier to get "reuse/redirection" of computers happening statewide. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 26 14:58:32 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:58:15 +1000 Received: from web12502.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.194]:4101 "HELO web12502.mail.yahoo.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:57:57 +1000 Message-ID: <20010626045750.14913.qmail@web12502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.76.17.27] by web12502.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:57:50 EST Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 14:57:50 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?John=20Coote?= Subject: Re: To: Craig Warner , cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010625194735.009f2440@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox > > Does any one have John Cootes contact details? Dazza > and Terry have > indicated that they can help with the logistics. > Phone 02 9649 9549 email john_coote@rocketmail.com > > Just a reminder of the next Meeting, Tuesday 3rd > July 2001. > Craig my apolgies I'll be interstate then, so I can't attend Regards John Coote _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 26 19:49:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:49:28 +1000 Received: from [198.142.156.191] ([198.142.156.191]:63013 "EHLO pop3.blue.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:49:08 +1000 Received: from n7h7d9.blue.net.au ([192.168.80.12]) by pop3.blue.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5Q9nI011340; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:49:19 +1000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626192816.009ead80@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: craigw/pop.blue.net.au@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 19:44:46 +1000 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au From: Craig Warner Subject: Meeting Waste Management Board Cc: kylied@projectx.com.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi all, Just to report on the meeting with the Inner City Waste Board. Chris Reynolds from Inner City Waste Board and Leanne Philpott from Nolan-ITU had very brief discussions with me this afternoon. I done the sales pitch for ComputerBank and agreed in principle for what the Inner City Waste Board is proposing. Very much on what Terry had received this afternoon(Terry if you can be so kind and sent out your two cents worth). The board will sent a copy of the meeting minutes soon. ComputerBank is looking for both seed funds and premises to work from was the main point. They were impressed with the discussion. As with most Semi government agencies, don't hold your breathe. Once incorporated whether on a State Base or under a Nation body, ComputerBank need to have a business plan. A law is about to be enacted in NSW about the handling computers from the corporate world. I do not know the deals yet but it helps ComputerBank. This was raised in the discussions. Reminder, the meeting on Tuesday night, 7.00pm. Hopefully Kylie will have sent some information about the National Body. Also I looking at a geek road trip to Coolah and Michael White, to see whats happening out there. Regards Craig Warner cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 26 20:52:08 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:51:50 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62378 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:51:33 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA08405; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 21:02:26 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from owl.woa.com.au(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdvm824e; Tue Jun 26 11:02:22 2001 Message-ID: <3B38F4CB.AB760F91@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 06:47:07 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au CC: Craig Warner , kylied@projectx.com.au Subject: Re: Meeting Waste Management Board References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010626192816.009ead80@pop3.norton.antivirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Craig Warner wrote: ...snip..... > I done the sales pitch for ComputerBank and agreed in principle for what > the Inner City Waste Board is proposing. Very much on what Terry had > received this afternoon(Terry if you can be so kind and sent out your two > cents worth). When I posted my earlier comment, Mim came back with a couple of things. One was EPA and the other was ICE. Here is what I sent to Craig then and he has asked me to share. ...................................................................... The EPA thing is the Waste Reduction Grant Program, with $5M in grants, or up to $100K max to an organisation. URL at http://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/waste/grantsindex.htm. Closes 30th July 2001. My 2c is to say we want to target Computer Reuse and ask only for advertising and vehicle expenses. We put a regular weekly add (bus card size) into either SMH, Telegraph or all Sydney Metro local rags pointing to the ComputerBank NSW WWW pages. Then 50 trips (1/weekend) @ 100Kms/trip @ 50c/km =$2,500 for vehicle expenses for collection. Could even include 12 months Kennard storage hire (Ground floor garage size drive up) Our WWW would have what we are about. We should also offer to pass on computers to other organisations like ICE (?) CPAN, etc. Provide links to their WWW pages (even give them a WWW sub-page). Our approach is that we are here for the long term and covering NSW and we are prepared to work with regional/local groups, so it makes sense to fund CBNSW. The idea being to ask for something small in the first grant, do it, then go back for more. I have had success in getting two grants from EPA with this tactic ($6K & $16K). Do not ask for administrative costs. I can put my 2c up on the CBNSW list if you like. .................................................................................... Well, that was my 2c. I will expand a bit. Basically, it means a bit more head up orientation, with CBNSW taken on a bit more of a traffic controller in "reusing computers". This might be a bit beyond what some people want to do in their involvement in ComputerBank, but it doesn't mean everyone has to do this. It seems that CB is going to face the same problem that all these local groups are (ICE, Cat, CPAN, etc), that of letting people know they are looking for older computers. It took TAD about 20 years to reach the stage where they have piles of them. With a little bit of money, we could make it happen faster for computer reuse. Please contribute your two cents. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 26 22:07:28 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:07:09 +1000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]:4828 "EHLO vasquez.zip.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:06:52 +1000 Received: from zipperii.zip.com.au (dazza@zipperii.zip.com.au [61.8.0.87]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA31177 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:06:52 +1000 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:06:52 +1000 (EST) From: DaZZa To: Subject: Re: Meeting Waste Management Board In-Reply-To: <3B38F4CB.AB760F91@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > We put a regular weekly add (bus card size) into either SMH, Telegraph > or all Sydney Metro local rags pointing to the ComputerBank NSW WWW > pages. Speaking completely off the cuff, but based on some context, you _may_ find that the Telegraph will not allow the posting of the WWW site, as they consider it advertising in competition with them. Depends. They can be somewhat anal retentive on this - David can attest to this {well, when he gets back from holidays anyway}. Also, even a 10 or 15 word advertisement done this way will run to probably $500 a week, as we're classed as _business_ advertising, not private. > Then 50 trips (1/weekend) @ 100Kms/trip @ 50c/km =$2,500 for vehicle > expenses for collection. That could end up being a little light. 100k's a trip will barely get me from home to the city and back - let alone add in extra k's for collection. > Could even include 12 months Kennard storage hire (Ground floor garage > size drive up) Now _that_ is an excellent idea. That kind of storage runs to about $300 a month, from memory, and there's a Kennards not too far from the city {can't remember the exact location, but it's near surry Hills somewhere}. That'd save needing someone to store stuff, and would also take care of security worries - Kennards are pretty good when it comes to securing stuff. Hell, go to two side-by-side garage size spaces, and we could maybe even have our workspace/office space in there as well. Not sure about power, though - I don't know if Kennards make available anything but lights. DaZZa cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jun 26 23:01:08 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:00:50 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:62748 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:00:31 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA08820 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:11:52 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from owl.woa.com.au(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpd29J45p; Tue Jun 26 13:11:46 2001 Message-ID: <3B39131E.9B8DD6F2@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 08:56:30 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cbnsw Subject: Power, etc at Kennards/Millers, was Re: Meeting Waste Management Board References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox DaZZa wrote: Ideally 1) storage at Waste Place sounds best, - we don't have to transport a lot of stuff. 2) yard space for an old container, or two (about $2K each?). 3) Any other place, 4) Kennards/Millers - 4th because it costs. > Hell, go to two side-by-side garage size spaces, and we could maybe even > have our workspace/office space in there as well. Not sure about power, > though - I don't know if Kennards make available anything but lights. Well Kennards out here provide light, power and you can have a telephone installed. So they are catering for the people who want to make it their workshop. All the drive in places I've had have all had a powerpoint nearby (no internal lights but). My 2c was that EPA might consider paying for storage, if we were prepared to act as collector/technical evaluator for other organisations as well. Our problem is that we don't have computers delivered out to "end users" yet. This is the page for what they have granted in the past; http://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/waste/contents.htm Notice that Compaq even received grants for "recycling" stuff. Perhaps someone could officially contact the person listed for "reuse". -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 27 15:25:57 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:25:40 +1000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]:3988 "EHLO vasquez.zip.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:25:31 +1000 Received: from zipperii.zip.com.au (dazza@zipperii.zip.com.au [61.8.0.87]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08434; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:25:19 +1000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 15:25:18 +1000 (EST) From: DaZZa To: Terry Collins cc: cbnsw Subject: Re: Power, etc at Kennards/Millers, was Re: Meeting Waste Management Board In-Reply-To: <3B39131E.9B8DD6F2@woa.com.au> Message-ID: Approved: The Chicken lovers guide to (l)user Re-education. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > Ideally > > 1) storage at Waste Place sounds best, - we don't have to transport a > lot of stuff. Provided it can be given to us in a secure state, with appropriate access. That's the trouble with using another business premesis - we only get access when thy want to let us. > 2) yard space for an old container, or two (about $2K each?). Need to be a damn big yard! > 3) Any other place, Such as? > 4) Kennards/Millers - 4th because it costs. I know it costs, but if there's talk of grants, perhaps we could utilise one of them as a possibility for paying for it. > > Hell, go to two side-by-side garage size spaces, and we could maybe even > > have our workspace/office space in there as well. Not sure about power, > > though - I don't know if Kennards make available anything but lights. > > Well Kennards out here provide light, power and you can have a telephone > installed. So they are catering for the people who want to make it their > workshop. All the drive in places I've had have all had a powerpoint > nearby (no internal lights but). Fair enough. I've never actually used Kennards - I've used other company facilities - so I'll take your word for it. > My 2c was that EPA might consider paying for storage, if we were > prepared to act as collector/technical evaluator for other organisations > as well. Our problem is that we don't have computers delivered out to > "end users" yet. If someone else will pay for it, then we might as well use Kennards if we can. DaZZa cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 27 18:05:39 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:05:21 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63866 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:05:12 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12641; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 18:15:51 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from owl.woa.com.au(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpdmSAksg; Wed Jun 27 08:15:48 2001 Message-ID: <3B3A1F39.CF0526A2@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 04:00:25 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DaZZa CC: cbnsw Subject: Re: Power, etc at Kennards/Millers, was Re: Meeting Waste ManagementBoard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox DaZZa wrote: > Provided it can be given to us in a secure state, with appropriate access. > That's the trouble with using another business premesis - we only get > access when thy want to let us. Problem with any begging {:-) ..snip..... > > 3) Any other place, Unused real estate - just looking at unused offices/favtory/whatever, etc that we might be able to have use of for $0 (maybe paint/tax deductable donation=rent/?). someone who thinks it might be better to have people going into and out of a building, rather than leaving it empty. This was just some accommodation ideas floated before we even thought about applying for grants. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 27 19:04:18 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:04:01 +1000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]:2119 "EHLO vasquez.zip.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:03:47 +1000 Received: from zipperii.zip.com.au (dazza@zipperii.zip.com.au [61.8.0.87]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA32252; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:03:40 +1000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:03:40 +1000 (EST) From: DaZZa To: Terry Collins cc: cbnsw Subject: Re: Power, etc at Kennards/Millers, was Re: Meeting Waste ManagementBoard In-Reply-To: <3B3A1F39.CF0526A2@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > > Provided it can be given to us in a secure state, with appropriate access. > > That's the trouble with using another business premesis - we only get > > access when thy want to let us. > > Problem with any begging {:-) Yup. I've got a bad back - getting down on my knees and back up again is extremely painful. :-) > > > 3) Any other place, > > Unused real estate - just looking at unused offices/favtory/whatever, > etc that we might be able to have use of for $0 (maybe paint/tax > deductable donation=rent/?). someone who thinks it might be better to > have people going into and out of a building, rather than leaving it > empty. Good idea, but realistically - this *is* Sydney. Industrial real estate like that is probably the most valued and hard to get in the entire city. We might manage to get something out in the sticks, like where you or I live, but it'd be damn inconvenient for everyone else to get to. And even if we manage to get something like this - what kind of guarantee that A) The owner won't chuck us out if someone who wants to pay money comes along or B) The owner won't demand money from us if someone who wants to pay money comes along? I don't want to be seen as running suggestions down here - just playing devils advocate. DaZZa cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 27 19:33:06 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:32:49 +1000 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63924 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:32:37 +1000 Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13247; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:43:55 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: eagle.woa.com.au: smtpd set sender to using -f Received: from owl.woa.com.au(192.168.27.10), claiming to be "woa.com.au" via SMTP by eagle.woa.com.au, id smtpd1kLzqa; Wed Jun 27 09:43:54 2001 Message-ID: <3B3A33DE.8CC04C15@woa.com.au> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 05:28:30 +1000 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DaZZa CC: cbnsw Subject: Re: Power, etc at Kennards/Millers, was Re: Meeting Waste ManagementBoard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox DaZZa wrote: > if we manage to get something like this - what kind of guarantee that > > A), B), C),,,,,, None {:-) I would notworry about those until we actually had moved in. My idea came from walking past a vacant factory for three years in Rothschild St, South Sydney as I went to work each day. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jun 27 19:34:46 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:34:38 +1000 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]:3769 "EHLO vasquez.zip.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:34:23 +1000 Received: from zipperii.zip.com.au (dazza@zipperii.zip.com.au [61.8.0.87]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA01344; Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:34:10 +1000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:34:10 +1000 (EST) From: DaZZa To: Terry Collins cc: cbnsw Subject: Re: Power, etc at Kennards/Millers, was Re: Meeting Waste ManagementBoard In-Reply-To: <3B3A33DE.8CC04C15@woa.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Terry Collins wrote: > > if we manage to get something like this - what kind of guarantee that > > A), B), C),,,,,, > > None {:-) > I would notworry about those until we actually had moved in. > > My idea came from walking past a vacant factory for three years in > Rothschild St, South Sydney as I went to work each day. Fair enuff. As I said, I'm not trying to run ideas down - just play devils advocate. DaZZa cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list From owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Fri Jun 29 08:33:49 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:33:31 +1000 Received: from mail.alpha.net.au ([203.41.44.8]:2140 "EHLO mail.alpha.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:33:07 +1000 Received: from localhost (jhamilton@localhost) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5SMX5X17977 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:33:06 +1000 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 08:33:05 +1000 (EST) From: James Hamilton To: cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Subject: List maintenance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-cb-nsw@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk List-Id: Computerbank (NSW) Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;cb-nsw-mbox Hi This mailing list, which is very kindly being hosted by linux.org.au will be changing from majordom to mailman tomorrow. Once the change is done, I will send out an email to the list. If you have not had an email from the list by the end of Monday, you may have fallen off. If that is the case, please email me directly and I will fix it up James Hamilton jhamilton@alpha.net.au cb-nsw - Computerbank NSW discussion list