From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Sep 26 12:46:17 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:45:46 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:1910 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:45:35 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30815; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:44:20 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:44:18 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: Conrad Parker cc: Greg Lehey , Anand Kumria , Richard Russell , Rodney Gedda , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, AUUG Executive Committee Subject: Re: Any thoughts about a national install day? In-Reply-To: <20000926021722.A10812@ives.cse.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:45:46 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Conrad Parker wrote: > > > Greg -- AUUG also supported an Installfest in Brisbane, IIRC. > > > > Hmm. I didn't know that. We currently don't have any committee > > members in Queensland. > > :) the Queensland chapter's logo is up at > http://installfest.humbug.org.au/ > > Maybe someone else can explain how it got there then :-) That must be my cue. They were a sponsor, although they might not know it :-) AUUG Qld were contacted early on and were very interested in helping out, but events overtook us and we never did work out what we wanted or what they could give us. The best thing for us out of contacting AUUG was getting in touch with Mark White of RedHat who gave our keynote talk. However the moral support of SAGE-AU Qld and AUUG Qld were essential to getting the Installfest off the ground in Brisbane. Media wise we had a small column in the Sunday Mail's Weekend Shopper which attracted 20+ people, and a two paragraph article in the Courier Mail's Tuesday computer section which attracted 5+. While these aren't huge numbers what was great was that these were mostly pensioners who we would not have otherwise contacted. This made the articles valuable IMHO. The remainder of our advertising was through mailing lists of local user groups which probably attracted as many again. We left our promotional run far too late, mostly because we were relying on getting marketing help from some guys at Telstra (hence the Telstra logo on the site) which while it gave us a great press-release, didn't work out as well as we'd hoped because of poor communication and work intervening on both sides. Another thing we forgot to do was check for conflicting events. Our Installfest fell on the same day as the last day of the Brisbane Show, and the final home-game match for the Brisbane Lions AFL team. There was also a concert or something on too IIRC. On the day we were greatly assited by AsiaOnline and Hi-Tech/Traverse technologies who cabling and prizes (including an ISDN modem, mmmmm) and a superb effort by our Chief Installer Mark Suter. We probably got around 40 or so installs done (counting those that went on into the night). We had a lot more people come in just to watch and this is something we will address next year with more talks and displays. I think that ended up as more of a wrap-up of the Brisbane Installfest than I meant it to be. If there was a theme to our installfest it is that we were playing catch-up with LinuxSA/AUUG. From a personal perspective someone said 'hey lets do a series of Installfests' on the linux-aus list, the usual non-commital debate ensured, and then LinuxSA had the temerity to go and do it. Kudos to LinuxSA! If you guys hadn't pulled your finger out, nothing would have happened. But we are going to be more organised next year. (Really ;->) HUMBUG would definitely like to see more coordination at a national level wrt advertising and media. As far as one national 'day' goes, HUMBUG supports the concept in principle but is concerned that it will be difficult to come up with a common day that works around the holidays and events of the different states and cities. HUMBUG thinks a month of linux 'installfests' could work so long as we all work out our dates in advance and present them to the press together (ie, one article mentioning all the events and when they are on). Now, popping off my HUMBUG hat, here are my personal two bits worth about other stuff: a) I think a seperate mailing list managed by Linux Australia for organising the Installfest would be a Good Thing. (It would help me filter my email anyway.) b) I think we should aim to work with AUUG at a chapter level at very least. This seems to have worked very well for LinuxSA. We tried to do it in Brisbane, but I forgot to get back to them (note to self: do not try to organise Installfest and a change in employer at the same time.) c) I am not so keen on 'national' sponsors because I don't see what they can do that my club's local sponsors didn't do. BUT I do not oppose them. Anyway my apologies for the lengthy email. If/when an organising comittee gets off the ground please count me as HUMBUG's representative. Cheers, Raymond Smith Secretary of HUMBUG 2000/20001 PS Please do not cc me directly on replies, instead just copy linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Sep 26 13:19:33 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:19:01 +1100 Received: (from localhost user: 'wildfire', uid#10083) by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:46 +1100 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:46 +1100 From: Anand Kumria To: Michael Lambert Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Any thoughts about a national install day? Message-ID: <20000926131846.G29071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Reply-To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20000925162710.S29071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from mlambert@primeinternet.com.au on Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 07:56:28PM +1000 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:19:01 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 07:56:28PM +1000, Michael Lambert wrote: > I'm only sending this to you, not to the list to get your thorts on it..... Opps, you sent to the list. > The basic reason I suggested a separate list is because I am seeing multiple > lists with the message, and some people are only responding to one list. I > was therefore thinking that it might be better to actually encourage a > working group and maybe have this working group send a weekly/monthly > summary to the other lists to keep people up to date. > > Your thoughts on this idea would be appreciated. Ah, now I see where you are coming from. The other lists are things like LinuxSA and AuugExec (from what I have seen) and I, personally, don't think either are appropriate forums to discuss this on. The former is a user-to-user support mailing list and the latter is closed. Traffic on linux-aus is very bursty and it seems as though representatives from most (all?) of the groups interested in participating are already on the list. Anand -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Sep 26 13:28:59 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:28:37 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:2615 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:28:09 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21252 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:27:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Any thoughts about a national install day? In-Reply-To: <20000926131846.G29071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:28:37 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Anand Kumria wrote: > The former is a user-to-user support mailing list and the latter is > closed. Traffic on linux-aus is very bursty and it seems as though > representatives from most (all?) of the groups interested in participating > are already on the list. I'd still support a separate list for organise the Installfest because I think of linux-aus as a 'national forum' list rather than an Installfest working group list. My two bits worth, Raymond --- raymond@humbug.org.au All that we see, or seem, Is but a dream, within a dream. -- Edgar Allen Poe -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Sep 26 22:50:08 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:49:34 +1100 Received: (from localhost user: 'wildfire', uid#10083) by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:49:22 +1100 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:49:21 +1100 From: Anand Kumria To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: installfest dates Message-ID: <20000926224921.I29071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Reply-To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:49:34 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Well I've already proposed Aug 26th not realising that is Sunday next year. I'm thinking that Aug 25th (Saturday in 2K1) or as Rodney said the last Saturday of August would be good. How is that date in other states? No conflicting public or school holidays in NSW. Anand -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Wed Sep 27 13:17:53 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:17:23 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:2766 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:16:59 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11638 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:16:45 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:16:45 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: installfest dates In-Reply-To: <20000926224921.I29071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:17:23 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Anand, et al On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Anand Kumria wrote: > Well I've already proposed Aug 26th not realising that is Sunday next year. > I'm thinking that Aug 25th (Saturday in 2K1) or as Rodney said the last > Saturday of August would be good. > > How is that date in other states? This date looks promising. HUMBUG is happy to hold its Installfest on this date all things being equal (getting rooms from UQ, blah, blah). Regards, Raymond Secretary of HUMBUG 2000/20001 -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Oct 3 13:50:08 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:49:33 +1100 Received: from pandora.cantech.net.au ([203.26.6.29]:3022 "EHLO pandora.cantech.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:49:22 +1100 Received: from thor.cantech.net.au (thor.cantech.net.au [203.26.6.12]) by pandora.cantech.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15779 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:49:07 +0800 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:49:07 +0800 (WST) From: "Anthony J. Breeds-Taurima" To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: installfest dates In-Reply-To: <20000926224921.I29071@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:49:33 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Anand Kumria wrote: > Well I've already proposed Aug 26th not realising that is Sunday next year. > I'm thinking that Aug 25th (Saturday in 2K1) or as Rodney said the last > Saturday of August would be good. Personally I think Sundays are good. Fewer people work/shop etc etc on Sunday. The only conflict really is for religious people ... and even then they can attend a morning service and arrive at the install fest for the afternoon. My vote is for August 26th .... Last Sunday of the month. 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tony@localhost) by gandalf.growzone.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eBD0DrW25864; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:13:53 +1000 Message-Id: <200012130013.eBD0DrW25864@gandalf.growzone.com.au> To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Face: ]IrGs{LrofDtGfsrG!As5=G'2HRr2zt:H>djXb5@v|Dr!jOelxzAZ`!}("]}]Q!)1w #X;)nLlb'XhSu,QL>;)L/l06wsI?rv-xy6%Y1e"BUiV%)mU;]f-5<#U6UthZ0QrF7\ _p#q}*Cn}jd|XT~7P7ik]Q!2u%aTtvc;)zfH\:3f<[a:)M Organization: GrowZone OnLine X-Mailer: nmh-1.0.4 exmh-2.2 X-OS: Linux-2.4 RedHat 7.0 X-URL: http://www.growzone.com.au/tony Subject: question about conference registration Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:13:53 +1000 From: Tony Nugent Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:14:02 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox [ Geez, don't you _hate_ spam? But one thing is had done is remind me that I'm subscribed to this mailing list... it has been very quiet here lately. If there is another mailing list for discussing the next month's conference, can someone let me know how to get onto it? Thanx. ] At: http://linux.conf.au/ I'm just wondering about the prices for conference registration for next month's... Why is the price for individuals $250, while that for "professionals" over double that at $540? What constitutes a "professional" in this context? Do "professionals" get "extra benefits" from this price difference? (I'm a sysadmin, does that make me "professional"?) (Why I ask... I went to the last conference in Melbourne, it was a total blast. I don't want to miss the one in Sydney next month, but I'm a victim of the child support agency and money is in very short supply here... ) Cheers Tony -=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=- Tony Nugent Systems Administrator, RHCE GrowZone OnLine - Internet Services for southern rural Queensland PO Box 475 Toowoomba Oueensland Australia 4350 Ph: 07 4637 8322 -=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=- -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Wed Dec 13 11:37:15 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:36:49 +1100 Received: from mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.230]:47900 "EHLO mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:36:23 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax52-213.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.206.213]) by mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBD0Y7p15303 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:07 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 801D43D75; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:23 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:34:23 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: question about conference registration Message-ID: <20001213113423.L3391@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <200012130013.eBD0DrW25864@gandalf.growzone.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012130013.eBD0DrW25864@gandalf.growzone.com.au>; from tony@growzone.com.au on Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 10:13:53AM +1000 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0-test11 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:36:49 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > http://linux.conf.au/ > > I'm just wondering about the prices for conference registration for > next month's... > > Why is the price for individuals $250, while that for > "professionals" over double that at $540? Hi Tony, It's pretty well described on the website. Basically it's costing a truckload to bring out a lot of our very cool speakers, and we'd like to break even... We'd also like to have an accessible conference too! If your company can pay, please buy a Professional ticket. It's more out of support than exclusivity. You get to come along to a schmooze session (Non-TCP/IP Networking) too. Students of course get a bloody good deal. :) - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au ------------------------------ http://linux.conf.au/ -- No clue is good clue. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Dec 21 17:37:39 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:37:07 +1100 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:1973 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:36:45 +1100 Received: From mozart (for linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au) With LocalMail ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:36:44 +1100 From: Conrad Parker To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:36:33 +1100 Subject: linux.conf.au tickets selling fast! Message-ID: <20001221173633.B29086@cse.unsw.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:37:07 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox [** please forward on as appropriate **] Tickets for linux.conf.au (in Sydney, January 17-20 2001) are selling fast. We can only accomodate around 200 people for the dinner so if you're intending to come to the conference (it's worth it!) please register as soon as you can. John 'maddog' Hall of Linux International is talking at the dinner and he is a very entertaining speaker. Registration details at: http://linux.conf.au/register/ Also, all ticket prices are going up $50 on the first of January so please register now to get the current pricing ($99 for students, $250 for hobbyists [which includes all LUG members, if your boss isn't sending you:) ], and $540 for the corporate rate). All these prices include four full days of conference sessions, including all workshops, tutorials, paper presentations and keynote talks. [*] Check out http://linux.conf.au/schedule/ for a peek at the schedule that is lined up, and http://linux.conf.au/papers/ for some more detail about the topics being presented. As you can see there are a large number of excellent Linux developers attending from all corners of the world including some of the best kernel, networking, graphics and desktop hackers around, including: Alan Cox (England): kernel guru Dave Miller (USA): kernel networking guru Tridge (Oz): local legend, creator of samba Rik van Riel (NL, in Brazil): kernel memory management guru Richard Gooch (Oz, in Canada): the man who brought you devfs Rusty (Oz): netfilter, ipchains, iptables, random hacking Horms (Oz, in USA): distributed content & high availability Rasterman (Oz, in USA): Enlightenment, h/w accelerated X11 Raph Levien (USA): Graphics, GDK; creator of Advogato John Ryland (Oz): Qt/Embedded Manish Singh (USA): Gimp legend, aka "yosh" Wichert Akkerman (Netherlands): Debian project leader Stephane Eranian (USA): IA64 Linux hacker Anton Blanchard (Oz): got Linux running on the Sun E10k ! Andrew Morton (Oz): Low Latency Linux (for fast audio, yay!) Jeff Dike (USA): User mode Linux (run Linux on Linux!) and that's just to whet your appetite -- there's about 50 different topics and tutorials on offer, so make sure you check it out as there's bound to be _something_ (or, lots of things!) that interest you. Well, I'm obviously getting excited about this because I wrote more than I intended just now :) I wanted to mail this out before everyone goes away on holidays for the next couple of weeks. Remember to send in your registration now, take the 17th-20th of January off work and bring your beachproof laptop and sunscreen :) [*] online registration not yet available, we'll let you know when it is. Bulk discounts are available: 10% off the total price for groups of 10 or more people. 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Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:20 +1100 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:2800 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:13 +1100 Received: From mozart (for linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au) With LocalMail ; Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:11 +1100 From: Conrad Parker To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:08 +1100 Subject: online registrations for linux.conf.au now available Message-ID: <20001227181408.E5919@cse.unsw.edu.au> Reply-To: lca-organisers@lists.linux.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:14:20 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox [** please forward appropriately **] linux.conf.au (Sydney, 17-20 Jan 2001) is a volunteer-run conference focussing purely on the technical issues of developing and using Linux and Free Software. Dozens of the world's leading Linux experts are coming to Australia to present their work, demonstrate their skills, and meet the locals. And it's only three weeks away! Online registration for linux.conf.au is now available at: http://linux.conf.au/register/online/ Use this URL for immediate, secure payment of your conference registration via credit card. For pricing details, and for payment via cheque or money order, see http://linux.conf.au/register/ Many of you have been waiting for online registration to be available, and we apologise that we were unable to make it so earlier. Please ensure that you register promptly as there is a limit of 500 attendees and places are filling quickly. If you leave it to the last minute you may well miss out on your chance to attend. Speakers include: John 'maddog' Hall of Linux International (dinner speaker) Alan Cox (England): kernel guru, outlining secret plans for 2.4 Dave Miller (USA): kernel networking guru Andrew Tridgell (Oz): creator of samba, hacking TiVo Wayne Piekarski (Oz): Augmented reality on Linux wearables Craig Southeren (Oz): OpenH323 videoconferencing Silvia Pfeiffer (Oz): MPEG & MP3 audio David Huggins-Daines (USA): Linux on the PA/RISC architecture Richard Gooch (Oz, in Canada): devfs, and a new init system Rik van Riel (NL, in Brazil): kernel memory management guru Juan J. Quintela (Spain): deconstructing virtual memory Kirrily 'Skud' Robert (Oz, in Canada): e-smith, Perl6 Martin Pool (Oz): rproxy -- rsync caching over http Rusty (Oz): netfilter, apt-proxy, gzip --rsyncable Daniel Phillips (Germany): The Tux2 failsafe filesystem Rasterman (Oz, in USA): hardware accelerated X11 Dave Sifry (USA): Calendaring (GCTP, OpenFlock) Matthew Wilcox (USA): Leases & Directory notification John Goebel (USA): Cluster administration, Global filesystem Christopher Yeoh (Oz): Linux Standard Base Liam Quin (Canada): irc++, a new chat protocol and system Neil Brown (Oz): Linux RAID Sirtaj Singh Kang (Oz): KDE George Lebl (USA): Bonobo (the GNOME component model) and that's just to whet your appetite -- there's about 50 different topics and tutorials on offer, so make sure you check it out as there's bound to be _something_ (or, lots of things!) that interest you. Check out http://linux.conf.au/schedule/ for a peek at the schedule and http://linux.conf.au/papers/ for some more detail about the topics being presented. As you can see there are a large number of excellent Linux developers attending from all corners of the world including some of the best kernel, networking, multimedia and desktop hackers around. We look forward to seeing you there! Conrad. -- linux.conf.au: 17-20 January 2001, UNSW Kensington, Sydney Organising Committee: lca-organisers@lists.linux.org.au -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Dec 29 06:09:38 2000 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:09:06 +1100 Received: from awork023087.netvigator.com ([203.198.3.87]:37033 "HELO 255.255.255.0") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:08:54 +1100 From: "info@bossible.com" To: Message-Id: <419.436889.13288854info@bossible.com> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A5=CD=B7N=ADn=A6=A8=A5\=A1A=AF=B5=B3Z=BA=C9=A6bwww.bossible.com?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:08:54 +1100 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:09:06 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox ¥Í·N­n¦¨¥\¡A¯µ³ZºÉ¦bwww.bossible.com °µ¥Í·N¡A¤£¬O³æ¥´¿W°«¡C¸sµ¦¸s¤O¡A¤S©Î¤¬¬Û­É¤O¤~¬O­P³Ó¤§¹D¡Awww.bossible.com ´N ¬O­n¬°©̉¦³³Đ·~¤H¤h¤¤¤p¥ø¦ÑÁó¡A¥ø·~®a´£¨Ñ¤@­Ó¥Í·N°Ó¾÷¡A¸ê°T¥æ¬y¥­¥x¡C Bossible.com¤W¦³Â×´Iªº³Đ·~¸ê°T¡A³Đ´I¬G¨Æ¡A¦¨¥\¤H¥K¶Ç°O¡A°Ó·~¸ê°T¡A¥Í·N¶R½æ¡A ­Ư¾©Û¸uµ¥¡C¬°©̉¦³·|­û´£¨Ñ³̀·s³̀§Öªº°Ó·~¾÷·|¡AÂǦ¹¡ABossibleªº·|­û¥i¥H§â´¤³̀ ·sªº°Ó¾÷¡A½ñ¤W³Đ´Iªº¸ô³~¡Cwww.bossible.com ²{¦b¦¨¬°Bossible.comªº·|­û¡A¤£¿W¥i¨É¨üºô¤Wªº¸ê°T¥~¡A§ó¥i¨É¦³¥H¤UÀu´f¡C 1. §K¶O°Ñ¦WBossible³Đ´IÁ¿®y¤@¦¸¡C 2. §K¶OĂؾ\¼sªF¶R¼Ó¤ư¤@´Á(¥u­­¤­¤Q¦́)¡C 3. §K¶O¨C¶gºô¤WĂؾ\©ú¬P³Đ´I»x¡C 4. §K¶O³Đ·~ÅU°ƯªA°È¤@¦¸¡C 5. ¯S»ù¯²¥Î°Ó°È¤¤¤ß¡A°Ó·~¹q¸Ü½u¡C 6. ¿Ä¸êÅU°ƯªA°È¡A·|­û±M¦ëÀu´f§Q®§¡C ¦p¦¹³Đ´I¤ä´©ªA°È¡AÁÙ¤£§ÖD°Ñ¥[¡C§Y¤Wwww.bossible.com µn°O¦¨¬°·|­û¡C (»Ơ¤U¥u·|¦¬΅¦¹¶l¥ó¤@¦¸¡A¦p¹ï»Ơ¤U³y¦¨¤£«K¡A«D±`©êºp) -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jan 3 16:57:51 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:57:20 +1100 Received: from note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU ([129.94.242.29]:4472 "HELO note.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:57:13 +1100 Received: From ives (for linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au) With LocalMail ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:57:12 +1100 From: Conrad Parker To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:57:12 +1100 Subject: lca 'early-bird' discounts extended to Jan 6 Message-ID: <20010103165712.V17211@cse.unsw.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:57:20 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox /* please forward appropriately */ We, the organisers of linux.conf.au, being fundamentally nice people, have decided to extend the time for the 'early-bird' discount such that it continues until this Saturday, the 6th of January. http://linux.conf.au/register/ What this means for those who have not yet registered is that you will still get last year's 'early-bird' prices if you register this week. What this means for those of you who have already registered is that you may continue, guiltlessly, to encourage your friends and associates to accompany you. What this means for us (the organisers) is that we have allowed ourselves to recover peacefully from New Year's celebrations. Surely a winning situation all around. As a reminder, the 'early-bird' prices are: $99 for students $250 for hobbyists (LUG members, etc) $540 for the full Professional rate. After this weekend these registration prices will each be raised by a 'late fee' of $50. Please be assured that this is not an irrational act of spitefulness, we need to meet our own costs in a timely manner and your prompt payment is appreciated. We are nice people, after all :) Everyone attending will have full access to the four days of conference sessions, including all the tutorials, all the paper presentations, all the keynotes, all the Birds of a Feather meetings ... and the pub crawl. The prices really are as low as we could possibly make them. Remember that this is not a trade show, and this is not an 'Expo'. This is a developers conference, where you hear about free software from the people who wrote it and have ample opportunity to talk to them in detail about it. Full details of the topics to be presented are at: http://linux.conf.au/papers/ including people such as: John 'maddog' Hall of Linux International (dinner speaker) Alan Cox (UK): kernel guru, outlining secret plans for 2.4 Dave Miller (USA): kernel networking guru Andrew Tridgell (Oz): creator of Samba, rsync, hacking TiVo Rasterman (Oz, in USA): Enlightenment, hardware accelerated X11 Rik van Riel (NL, in Brazil): kernel memory management Richard Gooch (Oz, in Canada): devfs, and a new init system Registration information is at: http://linux.conf.au/register/ Online registration, for Visa, Mastercard and Bankcard is at: http://linux.conf.au/register/online/ A schedule of events (including social events!) is at: http://linux.conf.au/schedule/ Only two weeks to go! We look forward to seeing you there. Have a Happy New Year, Conrad. linux.conf.au: 17-20 January 2001, UNSW Kensington, Sydney Organising Committee: lca-organisers@lists.linux.org.au ps. 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Best regards, Ernest Lee Hutchison Global Crossing Ltd Tel : 2128 5505 Mobile : 8202 1822 Email : ernestl@hgc.com.hk -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jan 8 16:05:15 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:04:40 +1100 Received: from mailgw.prontomail.com ([216.163.184.10]:53391 "EHLO c1mailgw05.prontomail.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:04:30 +1100 Received: from c6web102 (216.163.178.10) by c1mailgw05.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.1.050) id 3A4EB4080012038B; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:04:13 -0800 X-Version: beer 6.2.3 .3353.0 From: "Caitlin Fegan" Message-Id: <44949669125E4D115A950005B8CC1278@cfegan.beer.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:09:06 +1100 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: lca-announce@lists.linux.org.au Reply-To: caitlinf@bigfoot.com Subject: linux.conf.au dinner registrations closing CC: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, slug@slug.org.au X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 8 Jan 2001 16:04:40 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox If you are planning on coming to linux.conf.au, but haven't already registered, you'd better get in quick. Although we will continue taking new registrations for the conference itself, we have to close bookings for the dinner by 4pm Tuesday January 9th (Sydney time). That's right, you have only one day left to register if you want to come to the official conference dinner. The conference dinner is being held on Friday January 19th and features the remarkably unique Jon "Maddog" Hall. The dinner (and other parts of the conference) have been generously sponsored by Aurema. Registrations can be made at http://linux.conf.au/register/ If you have already registered as a Professional, or have booked for the dinner seperately, then I look forward to seeing you on the night. -Caitlin (linux.conf.au faceless organiser #6) If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. Beer Mail, brought to you by your friends at beer.com. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jan 9 13:00:50 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:00:10 +1100 Received: from print.elec.uq.edu.au ([130.102.96.6]:3901 "EHLO print.elec.uq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:59:56 +1100 Received: from localhost (rae@localhost) by print.elec.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA73446; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:59:45 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rae@elec.uq.edu.au) X-Authentication-Warning: print.elec.uq.edu.au: rae owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 11:59:45 +1000 (EST) From: Allan Rae To: caitlinf@bigfoot.com cc: lca-announce@lists.linux.org.au, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au dinner registrations closing In-Reply-To: <44949669125E4D115A950005B8CC1278@cfegan.beer.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:00:10 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Mon, 8 Jan 2001, Caitlin Fegan wrote: > If you are planning on coming to linux.conf.au, but haven't already > registered, you'd better get in quick. > > Although we will continue taking new registrations for the conference > itself, we have to close bookings for the dinner by 4pm Tuesday > January 9th (Sydney time). That's right, you have only one day left > to register if you want to come to the official conference dinner. What about if you have registered but didn't buy a dinner ticket and now suddenly decided you should have? Online purchase of a dinner ticket isn't an option in the registration process and I can't find a fax number to send you a fax! Aaarrrrgggghhh! TIA, Allan. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jan 9 13:41:13 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:40:39 +1100 Received: from dns.growzone.com.au ([202.9.32.1]:4249 "EHLO mail.growzone.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:40:21 +1100 Received: from gandalf.growzone.com.au (IDENT:root@gandalf.growzone.com.au [192.168.254.9]) by mail.growzone.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31712; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:40:20 +1000 Received: (from tony@localhost) by gandalf.growzone.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f092eK426626; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 12:40:20 +1000 Message-Id: <200101090240.f092eK426626@gandalf.growzone.com.au> To: lca-announce@lists.linux.org.au, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, slug@slug.org.au X-Face: ]IrGs{LrofDtGfsrG!As5=G'2HRr2zt:H>djXb5@v|Dr!jOelxzAZ`!}("]}] Q!)1w#X;)nLlb'XhSu,QL>;)L/l06wsI?rv-xy6%Y1e"BUiV%)mU;]f-5<#U6 UthZ0QrF7\_p#q}*Cn}jd|XT~7P7ik]Q!2u%aTtvc;)zfH\:3f<[a:)M Organization: GrowZone OnLine X-Mailer: nmh-1.0.4 exmh-2.2 X-OS: Linux-2.4.0 RedHat 7.0 X-URL: http://www.growzone.com.au/tony Subject: Re: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au dinner registrations closing In-Reply-To: message-id of Tue, Jan 09 11:59:45 2001 Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:40:19 +1000 From: Tony Nugent Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 9 Jan 2001 13:40:39 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Tue Jan 09 2001 at 11:59, Allan Rae wrote: > What about if you have registered but didn't buy a dinner ticket and > now suddenly decided you should have? Online purchase of a dinner > ticket isn't an option in the registration process and I can't find a > fax number to send you a fax! > > Aaarrrrgggghhh! There is a fax/phone number on the bottom of the pdf registration form... Linux Australia Inc. C/- Switch Online Pty Ltd Level 2, 131 Clarence St Sydney NSW 2000 Ph/Fax: 02 8571 1892 (Very hidden, took me ages to realise that there was indeed a contact address/phone/fax, and that's where it was to be found). Looking forward to this conference... if it is anything like the one in Melbourne, it is going to be a total blast. The keynote speakers are like a who's who in the linux world. The fed govt (via ntn), in its infinite wisdom, is severely scaling down our amazing (linux-based) project (I'm not impressed). As a result I'm about to leave here (and move to the Gold Coast)... anyone know of any good jobs going for an experienced linux/unix systems/network administrator? Something that will *inspire* me and bring out my best? Cheers Tony -=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=- Tony Nugent Systems Administrator, RHCE GrowZone OnLine - regional internet services for Southern Qld POBox 475 Toowoomba Oueensland Australia 4350 Ph: 07 4637 8322 -=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=- -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jan 9 15:12:09 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:11:42 +1100 Received: from print.elec.uq.edu.au ([130.102.96.6]:4011 "EHLO print.elec.uq.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:11:36 +1100 Received: from localhost (rae@localhost) by print.elec.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA74527; Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:11:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rae@elec.uq.edu.au) X-Authentication-Warning: print.elec.uq.edu.au: rae owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 14:11:34 +1000 (EST) From: Allan Rae To: Tony Nugent cc: lca-announce@lists.linux.org.au, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [lca-announce] linux.conf.au dinner registrations closing In-Reply-To: <200101090240.f092eK426626@gandalf.growzone.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 9 Jan 2001 15:11:42 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Tony Nugent wrote: > On Tue Jan 09 2001 at 11:59, Allan Rae wrote: > > > What about if you have registered but didn't buy a dinner ticket and > > now suddenly decided you should have? Online purchase of a dinner > > ticket isn't an option in the registration process and I can't find a > > fax number to send you a fax! > > > > Aaarrrrgggghhh! > > There is a fax/phone number on the bottom of the pdf registration > form... > > Linux Australia Inc. > C/- Switch Online Pty Ltd > Level 2, 131 Clarence St > Sydney NSW 2000 > Ph/Fax: 02 8571 1892 > > (Very hidden, took me ages to realise that there was indeed a > contact address/phone/fax, and that's where it was to be found). Thanks, Caitlin contacted me a little earlier. > Looking forward to this conference... if it is anything like the one > in Melbourne, it is going to be a total blast. The keynote speakers > are like a who's who in the linux world. Melbourne was indeed brilliant. Sydney should be even better since it'll be summer instead of winter! How many car loads of pizza will get ordered this time around I wonder? Allan. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Jan 16 23:44:31 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:44:00 +1100 Received: from mail.ausit.com ([203.41.163.235]:3862 "EHLO mail.ausit.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:43:39 +1100 Received: from wk1 (sun.ausit.com [203.41.163.240]) by mail.ausit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/mail) with ESMTP id XAA22280 for ; Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:43:30 +1100 Message-ID: <200101162343420385.2DC769C2@203.41.163.235> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.00 (1) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:43:42 +1100 From: "Greg Wright" To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Hello! & Archive ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:44:00 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Hello All I will do an into a bit later, but am here to ask if there is an archive of the discussions before firing of a question or two.... Regards Greg Wright -- IT Consultant Sydney Australia PH 0418 292020 Available for Global Contracts Int. +61 418 292020 web http://www.ausit.com e-mail Greg AT AusIT.com Trading As - AAA Computers, ITpro, Ozzie Soft, providers of IT services. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Wed Jan 17 00:38:20 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:47 +1100 Received: from mail.ausit.com ([203.41.163.235]:4047 "EHLO mail.ausit.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:31 +1100 Received: from wk1 (sun.ausit.com [203.41.163.240]) by mail.ausit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/mail) with ESMTP id AAA22641; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:18 +1100 Message-ID: <200101170037300467.2DF8AB73@203.41.163.235> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.00 (1) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:30 +1100 From: "Greg Wright" To: "Jeffrey. G. Rose. J.P." Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: Hello! & Archive ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:37:47 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Hi Jeff *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 16/01/01 at 23:54 Jeffrey. G. Rose. J.P. wrote: >Hello Greg, et al... H E L P Well I was not aware that this was a general help forum, from what I read briefly it is a forum for an Australian type of LI . At the risk of being way OT .... > > >Being new to Linux, I installed it, but it does nothing except >show a dos /shell prompt. What did you expect, a movie or something? ;-) > I can get MC to go, Midnight Commander ? I never use it as its not nice over my SSH connections :( > but I was expecting a screen >to pop up just like my other computer does when I install the OS. >Anyone got any magic lines to add in teo egt it running. >I am using REDHAT 6.2 (for a reason). If you chose desktop or installed all the X server RPM's or Tarball's, then from a users command prompt type ..... startx (or better still get XFce, install, then type startxfce), if you want X & Gnome to start up and provide a login prompt, you will need to change the runlevel to , mmm, IIRC 5 But for everyone's sanity, go join the RedHat list, or go to www.moongroup.com and look for the redhat-list archives. > >What am I missing to get some sort of GUI screen up and running ? > Probably not much more than above.... Regards Greg Wright -- IT Consultant Sydney Australia PH 0418 292020 Available for Global Contracts Int. +61 418 292020 web http://www.ausit.com e-mail Greg AT AusIT.com Trading As - AAA Computers, ITpro, Ozzie Soft, providers of IT services. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Jan 22 10:44:44 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:44:13 +1100 Received: from [203.185.59.242] ([203.185.59.242]:2542 "HELO User") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:44:02 +1100 From: iable2@sinaman.com Subject:=?big5?Q?"=B4=C1=AB=FC"=B1M=AEa=A1A=A5]=A7A=C1=C8=BF=FA (=A7_=ABh=A4=A3=A6=AC=A6=FE=AA=F7)?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_tUDDSuMFubJUoZibY2" X-Mailer: 5CDEj3gC61UbeASnMrr4d7MR X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id:<20010121234407Z158088-18794+653@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> To: 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I've heard that the standard ppoe package for linux doesn't work with telstra (not sure about optus). Telstra support flatly refused to even talk about linux! Aside: This amazes me, their attitude needs to change. They support all varieties of the commercial OS's (m$ etc), which are all totally full of security holes... I wouldn't dare - couldn't imagine - putting a windoze box onto the internet full-time. Heck, I'd be hacked badly sooner or later! (It has happened to everyone that I know who has used cable). Can anyone confirm this, or if there is a work-around available? And adsl - is it worth the wait, and is the service better and/or cost-effective, and does it also work with linux? Thanks. (If there are some URLs about this, please let me/us know). Cheers Tony -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 12:18:30 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:40 +1100 Received: from dns.growzone.com.au ([202.9.32.33]:4110 "EHLO mail.growzone.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:12 +1100 Received: from gandalf.growzone.com.au (IDENT:root@gandalf.growzone.com.au [192.168.254.9]) by mail.growzone.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27583 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:17:11 +1000 Received: (from tony@localhost) by gandalf.growzone.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f151Hpc01105; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:17:51 +1000 Message-Id: <200102050117.f151Hpc01105@gandalf.growzone.com.au> To: Linux Australia Email List X-Face: ]IrGs{LrofDtGfsrG!As5=G'2HRr2zt:H>djXb5@v|Dr!jOelxzAZ`!}("]}]Q!)1w #X;)nLlb'XhSu,QL>;)L/l06wsI?rv-xy6%Y1e"BUiV%)mU;]f-5<#U6UthZ0QrF7\ _p#q}*Cn}jd|XT~7P7ik]Q!2u%aTtvc;)zfH\:3f<[a:)M Organization: GrowZone OnLine X-Mailer: nmh-1.0.4 exmh-2.2 X-OS: Linux-2.4 RedHat 7.0 X-URL: http://www.growzone.com.au/tony Subject: [Linux-AUS] can the listowner please stop this spam? Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:17:51 +1000 From: Tony Nugent Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:17:40 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox An unfortunate and growing problem - spam. Can this mailing list be configured so that only subscribers to this list can actually successfully post to it? It's not the complete answer, but it would help. Thanks. 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[ ... rest of spam deleted ... ] -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 12:25:59 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:25:34 +1100 Received: from mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.231]:53084 "EHLO mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:25:23 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax56-232.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.217.232]) by mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f151OOB30508 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:24:25 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4D28E3E8A; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:25:27 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:25:27 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: Linux Australia Email List Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl Message-ID: <20010205122527.J8488@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , Linux Australia Email List References: <200102050117.f151HYo01097@gandalf.growzone.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: <200102050117.f151HYo01097@gandalf.growzone.com.au>; from tony@growzone.com.au on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 11:17:34AM +1000 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:25:34 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > I've heard that the standard ppoe package for linux doesn't work > with telstra (not sure about optus). Telstra support flatly refused > to even talk about linux! They do if you whisper it to the right people. :) > And adsl - is it worth the wait, and is the service better and/or > cost-effective, and does it also work with linux? Seems to be okay. Telstra's is currently very wishy-washy, up and down, etc. Search for "telstra ADSL gus lees" on the SLUG archives, there's heaps of setup info there (care of Angus Lees). http://slug.org.au/archives.shtml - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- I get my kicks above the .sigline, sunshine. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 12:43:06 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:42:39 +1100 Received: from bifrost.lesbell.com.au ([203.35.202.154]:1908 "EHLO bifrost.lesbell.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:42:27 +1100 Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl To: Tony Nugent Cc: Linux Australia Email List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Les Bell" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:42:20 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Bifrost/Les Bell and Associates Pty Ltd(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 02/05/2001 12:42:25 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:42:39 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Tony Nugent wrote: >> And adsl - is it worth the wait, and is the service better and/or cost-effective, and does it also work with linux? << Tony, Telstra BigPond Direct is currently offering ADSL for home users. I haven't looked into it, but AFAICS this means DHCP-allocated address, and probably a no-server AUP - which, at a guess, wouldn't be much use to you. However, at the end of this month they will be offering a service with a permanent IP address. I presume this would also not suffer any no-server AUP, otherwise what's the point of a fixed IP address? I'm looking for the web page that describes this right now, but from memory - and sorry, the figures are a bit vague - this will offer 1.5 Mbps downloads and something like 768 Kbps or 512 Kbps uploads for a base charge of something like $60 - $70 per month including the first 500 MB of downloads. (Contrast this with the current base ISDN rate of $251 / month for a 64K channel plus 19c/MB and you'll see why I plan on shifting). If this is to be a server-friendly service, Telstra are going to *have* to become Linux-aware, or at least -sensitive, IMHO. I'm going to be planning a shift to this service over the next couple of months so as I investigate further I can cc: you on what I come up with. Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 12:46:48 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:22 +1100 Received: from [203.111.74.199] ([203.111.74.199]:32794 "EHLO lavenderdirect.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:03 +1100 Received: from [203.111.74.211] (203.111.74.211) by lavenderdirect.com.au with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0); Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:45:08 +1100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:45:09 +1100 Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl From: Simon Cousins To: Tony Nugent , Linux Australia Email List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200102050117.f151HYo01097@gandalf.growzone.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:46:22 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > I've heard that the standard ppoe package for linux doesn't work > with telstra (not sure about optus). Telstra support flatly refused > to even talk about linux! Roaring penguin ppoe userspace driver works just fine. It's the standard method of connecting to BogPond ADSL for Linux. Ignore what you've heard. But yes, they suck rocks that they only wanna support 'Doze. I've called them on the pretext of using a Mac just to suss them out and they're not trained very well on that OS either. My missus reckons Microsoft are slipping them a few mil a year to freeze out the competition.. > Aside: This amazes me, their attitude needs to change. They > support all varieties of the commercial OS's (m$ etc), which are > all totally full of security holes... I wouldn't dare - couldn't > imagine - putting a windoze box onto the internet full-time. > Heck, I'd be hacked badly sooner or later! (It has happened to > everyone that I know who has used cable). > > Can anyone confirm this, or if there is a work-around available? > > And adsl - is it worth the wait, and is the service better and/or > cost-effective, and does it also work with linux? I've got 512/128 at home (Canberra) routed via Linux to a handful of wired and wireless clients. I also use dyndns. It's a great system. Plenty fast. But yes, it does go down a whole lot.. -- Simon Cousins simon@simoncousins.com Teach a man to make fire, and he will be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life. - John A. Hrastar -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 12:50:09 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:49:42 +1100 Received: from mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.229]:48820 "EHLO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:49:21 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax56-232.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.217.232]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f151mqm16075 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:48:52 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 56A7C3C48; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:49:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:49:55 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: Linux Australia Email List Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl Message-ID: <20010205124955.K8488@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , Linux Australia Email List References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.12i In-Reply-To: ; from lesbell@lesbell.com.au on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 12:42:20PM +1000 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 12:49:42 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > However, at the end of this month they will be offering a service with a > permanent IP address. I presume this would also not suffer any no-server > AUP, otherwise what's the point of a fixed IP address? If you're in an area that Pacific Internet service, go with them. They love Linux, they're very good, and they're already doing business static IP ADSL. http://corporate.pacific.net.au/ - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- Is Murphy's Law constitutional? -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 13:52:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:16 +1100 Received: from mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au ([130.95.13.9]:1128 "EHLO ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:10 +1100 Received: from morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (james@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.19]) by ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1/Debian 8.11.0-1) with ESMTP id f152q8621103; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:52:08 +0800 Received: (from james@localhost) by morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f152q7Z186442; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:52:07 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:52:07 +0800 From: James Bromberger To: Jeff Waugh , Linux Australia Email List Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl Message-ID: <20010205105207.B189773@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> References: <20010205124955.K8488@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20010205124955.K8488@aphid.net>; from jdub@linux.org.au on Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 12:49:55PM +1100 X-GPG-Fingerprint: 3F2C F8FD B2D5 AA35 C81A F914 A5F2 7028 0917 A9E4 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:52:16 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 12:49:55PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > However, at the end of this month they will be offering a service with a > > permanent IP address. I presume this would also not suffer any no-server > > AUP, otherwise what's the point of a fixed IP address? >=20 > If you're in an area that Pacific Internet service, go with them. They lo= ve > Linux, they're very good, and they're already doing business static IP AD= SL. I have static IPs over ADSL from iiNet. 16 real addresses, which goes=20 through the Telstra network. Simon Cousins wrote earlier: > I've got 512/128 at home (Canberra) routed via Linux to a handful of wired > and wireless clients. I also use dyndns. It's a great system. Plenty > fast. But yes, it does go down a whole lot.. And yes, it does go down a lot. I have one route enabled over this link,=20 and I have been doing a `ping -i 60 > log.txt` since Wed Jan 31=20 18:50:03 WST 2001. I have a one line perl script which finds the holes,=20 and it is tilling me now:=20 Outage between 6362 and 6378 (16 minutes) Outage between 6437 and 6454 (17 minutes) Outage between 6573 and 6589 (16 minutes) Outage between 6603 and 6620 (17 minutes) Outage between 6679 and 6695 (16 minutes) Total: 2035/6715 =3D 0.303052866716307 That's 4.7 days now, and 30.3% downtime. Iinet are trying to get it fixed,= =20 but I think Telstra is the one who has to resolve it. It seems to go away f= or=20 a while - the mode is 16 or 17 minutes. Yours James =20 --=20 James Bromberger www.rcpt.to/~james IT, Pelican Manufacturing - www.pelicanmanufacturing.com.au Snr Web Systems Admin, JDV - www.jdv.com * www.hartleypoynton.com.au * * C u in Bordeaux - 1st Debian Conference, July 2001 * *=20 Remainder moved to http://www.rcpt.to/~james/james/sig.html --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (OSF1) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6fhVXpfJwKAkXqeQRApanAKCdZiSJ0KIckF6bqC6HhrLRzp/pqACgjX7j IO9AGiHimkv6o5C1QscbEFQ= =DbBg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 5 13:58:47 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:58:20 +1100 Received: from c000-h000.c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.64]:50506 "HELO c000.snv.cp.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:58:07 +1100 Received: (cpmta 1131 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2001 18:57:51 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO sassy.nixon.net) (61.12.32.98) by smtp.nixon.net (209.228.32.64) with SMTP; 4 Feb 2001 18:57:51 -0800 X-Sent: 5 Feb 2001 02:57:51 GMT Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010205134536.00a7a4d8@getmail.nixon.net> X-Sender: peter@getmail.nixon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:56:19 +1100 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au From: Peter Nixon Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:58:20 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox I have successfully setup Telstra ADSL on both SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 You simply select rp_pppoe from the packages menu and stick in the CD/DVD You then edit the adsl-connect script to contain your username and the /etc/chap-secrets to contain your username and password. The type adsl-connect and it will all work :-) I currently run Optus cable at home on a SuSE 7.0 box which works beautifully and gives me 420-450KB /sec download speeds on average. I have at time reached > 0.5Mb/sec from mirror.aarnet.edu.au To setup optus cable, you simply install the dhcpcd (Actually installed by default on SuSE) and add the line send host-name "optus_client_name"; to /etc/dhclient.conf If you are not capable of editing dhclient.conf you can simply rename your computer, which is what the optus tech will do to the windows box he sets up for you. If you want to run Telstra cable (which is bandwidth limited to some stupidly speed) you simply download a client program and compile it. (it's been a while since I've used telstra cable, so You'll have to search for this yourself.. The added advantage of Optus is that you get a static IP address, although you are not allowed to run "servers" on it, and they blackhole incoming port 25 :-( Hope this helps someone... 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An Equal Housing Opportunity Lender If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply with the subject "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from their future mailings. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 9 12:31:49 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:31:17 +1100 Received: from br4.qld-remote.bigpond.net.au ([24.192.64.19]:2453 "EHLO br4.qld-remote.bigpond.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:31:03 +1100 Received: from CPE-203-45-130-190.qld.bigpond.net.au (CPE-203-45-130-190.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.130.190]) by br4.qld-remote.bigpond.net.au (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA18641 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:30:44 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:30:43 +1000 (EST) From: Paul Gearon Reply-To: gearon@ieee.org To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010205134536.00a7a4d8@getmail.nixon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:31:17 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Just to share my experiences with Telstra cable: On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Peter Nixon wrote: > If you want to run Telstra cable (which is bandwidth limited to some stupidly > speed) you simply download a client program and compile it. (it's been a while > since I've used telstra cable, so You'll have to search for this yourself.. I'm happy with Telstra cable (I'm unhappy with Telstra as a whole, but Optus decided not to come to my street). Yes, there's a bandwidth limit, but they upped it recently, probably because of the dual pressures of Optus cable and keeping cable competitive with ADSL. You're even allowed connect several machines now (probably because they realised that everyone was doing it anyway). The client program can be compiled and run, or for those who like RH there's an RPM. The guy contracted by Telstra to do the install for me was even able to tell me where to find it (he ran Linux himself)! :-) > The added advantage of Optus is that you get a static IP address, although you > are not allowed to run "servers" on it, and they blackhole incoming port 25 :-( While you don't get a static IP address, if you don't leave your machine off for any more than a few days at a time then you won't lose your DHCP lease. I've had the same IP now for nearly 6 months. It doesn't bother me anyway, as I use dynamic DNS through bpc-users.org. I just use their small client program to update my IP when it changes (this is really simple to do). While cable has it's own problems (eg. sharing bandwidth with your neigbours. This isn't a big problem since not many people use it yet, and there's that bandwidth limit), it has one significant advantage over ADSL. ADSL is based on phone lines, and is heavily dependent on your distance from the exchange. If you are just down the road from the exchange then you're fine. If not, then you won't get what you were expecting (or like some of my friends, you'll find that you can't get ADSL at all). -- Regards, Paul Paul Gearon gearon@ieee.org Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. (Translation from latin: "I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head.") -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 9 12:43:25 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:54 +1100 Received: from cirrus.netspace.net.au ([203.10.110.75]:20230 "HELO cirrus.netspace.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:35 +1100 Received: from tempest.netspace.net.au (tempest.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.67]) by cirrus.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738997E9006; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:34 +1100 (EST) Received: (from help@localhost) by tempest.netspace.net.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id MAA02109; Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:33 +1100 (EST) To: Paul Gearon Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl Message-ID: <981682952.3a834b0902f03@www.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:42:33 +1100 (EST) From: ageorge@netspace.net.au Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.3 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:42:54 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Quoting Paul Gearon : > Just to share my experiences with Telstra cable: > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Peter Nixon wrote: > > > If you want to run Telstra cable (which is bandwidth limited to some > stupidly > > speed) you simply download a client program and compile it. (it's been > a while > > since I've used telstra cable, so You'll have to search for this > yourself.. > > I'm happy with Telstra cable (I'm unhappy with Telstra as a whole, but > Optus decided not to come to my street). Yes, there's a bandwidth > limit, > but they upped it recently, probably because of the dual pressures of > Optus cable and keeping cable competitive with ADSL. You're even > allowed > connect several machines now (probably because they realised that > everyone > was doing it anyway). > > The client program can be compiled and run, or for those who like RH > there's an RPM. The guy contracted by Telstra to do the install for me > was even able to tell me where to find it (he ran Linux himself)! :-) > > > The added advantage of Optus is that you get a static IP address, > although you > > are not allowed to run "servers" on it, and they blackhole incoming > port 25 :-( > > While you don't get a static IP address, if you don't leave your > machine > off for any more than a few days at a time then you won't lose your > DHCP > lease. I've had the same IP now for nearly 6 months. > > It doesn't bother me anyway, as I use dynamic DNS through bpc-users.org. > > I just use their small client program to update my IP when it changes > (this is really simple to do). > > While cable has it's own problems (eg. sharing bandwidth with your > neigbours. This isn't a big problem since not many people use it yet, > and > there's that bandwidth limit), it has one significant advantage over > ADSL. > ADSL is based on phone lines, and is heavily dependent on your distance > from the exchange. If you are just down the road from the exchange > then > you're fine. If not, then you won't get what you were expecting (or > like > some of my friends, you'll find that you can't get ADSL at all). > Thanks Paul, I have a similar problem (Optus dosn't want to come to my street and their customer service has shown they don't care). I've got the option of getting Foxtel installed for free (they are running special deals in my area at the moment) and Big Pond uses the same cable so I'm trying to work out if I want to can my 56k dialup and go for a home/business service with a 250MB download limit (Which suits me as I'm not a huge downloader and it's got a little better T&C than the unlimited residential - cheaper too) Andrew ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www.netspace.net.au -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 11 06:16:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:16:01 +1100 Received: from mcns163.docsis74.singa.pore.net ([202.156.74.163]:3394 "HELO oemcomputer") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:15:47 +1100 From: research@freewebcity.com Subject: [Linux-AUS] Foreign Exchange Analysis MIME-Version: 1.0 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Message-Id: <200102120700.f1C700L22941@gandalf.growzone.com.au> To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Face: ]IrGs{LrofDtGfsrG!As5=G'2HRr2zt:H>djXb5@v|Dr!jOelxzAZ`!}("]}] Q!)1w#X;)nLlb'XhSu,QL>;)L/l06wsI?rv-xy6%Y1e"BUiV%)mU;]f-5<#U6 UthZ0QrF7\_p#q}*Cn}jd|XT~7P7ik]Q!2u%aTtvc;)zfH\:3f<[a:)M Organization: GrowZone OnLine X-Mailer: nmh-1.0.4 exmh-2.2 X-OS: Linux-2.4.0 RedHat 7.0 X-URL: http://www.growzone.com.au/tony Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] linux and cable modems / adsl Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:00:00 +1000 From: Tony Nugent Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:00:04 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Thanks everyone (collectively) for your responses to my question. I'm much clearer now about what's available and what things are like. One question which the telstra sales people couldn't answer me (and I haven't been able to wait and wait and wait for a tech person)... ok, the IP address you get is dynamic (or "static" if the lease is being renewed often enough)... ... but what about reverse DNS lookups? Do all these dynamic IP addresses have reverse lookups which resolve to some sort of name? If this isn't happening, then I'll end up with lots of authentication problems with things like ssh. (Silly question I know, but here goes... it is possible to have control over this DNS name? Probably more likely if/when static IPs are available, but it is something that I'd [eventually] want). Thanks again. Cheers Tony -=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=- Tony Nugent Systems Administrator, RHCE -=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=-=*#*=- -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 13 12:44:11 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:43:39 +1100 Received: from kwanon.research.canon.com.au ([203.12.172.254]:3821 "HELO kwanon.research.canon.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:43:20 +1100 Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (bellmann.research.canon.com.au [10.5.0.3]) by kwanon.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384BC5DFCB; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 01:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from urlus.research.canon.com.au (urlus.research.canon.com.au [203.12.174.182]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FA58B10; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:34:31 +1100 (EST) Received: by urlus.research.canon.com.au (Postfix, from userid 331) id 89BADDA18; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:53:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:53:06 +1100 From: Cameron Simpson To: Tony Nugent Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: [Linux-AUS] Re: linux and cable modems / adsl Message-ID: <20010213125304.B607@urlus.research.canon.com.au> Reply-To: cs@zip.com.au References: <200102120700.f1C700L22941@gandalf.growzone.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200102120700.f1C700L22941@gandalf.growzone.com.au>; from tony@growzone.com.au on Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:00:00PM +1000 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:43:39 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 05:00:00PM +1000, Tony Nugent wrote: | ok, the IP address you get is dynamic (or "static" if the lease is | being renewed often enough)... | ... but what about reverse DNS lookups? Do all these dynamic IP | addresses have reverse lookups which resolve to some sort of name? Generally, yes. For Optus, this is fairly stable name. I don't know about Telstra. | If this isn't happening, then I'll end up with lots of | authentication problems with things like ssh. Not really. | (Silly question I know, but here goes... it is possible to have | control over this DNS name? Probably more likely if/when static | IPs are available, but it is something that I'd [eventually] | want). Over that DNS name? No. But you can use the free dynamic DNS service at: http://www.dyndns.org/ and announce your current IP to a stable name when it changes. See their site for details. Very cool. -- Cameron Simpson, DoD#743 cs@zip.com.au http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/ Sam Jones on the Nine Types of User: X-user - "Will you look at those. . .um, that resolution, quite impressive, really." Advantages: Using the cutting-edge in graphics technology. Disadvantages: Has little or no idea how to use the cutting-edge in graphics technology. Symptoms: Fuzzy hands, blindness Real Case: When I was off duty, two users sat down in front of me at DEC station 5000/200s that systems was reconfiguring. I suppressed my laughter while, for twenty minutes, they sat down and did their best to act like they were doing exectly what they wanted to do, even though they couldn't log in. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 14:07:30 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:06:59 +1100 Received: from gw.igelaus.com.au ([203.55.46.161]:61380 "EHLO darkstar.devel.igelaus.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:06:38 +1100 Received: from mat by darkstar.devel.igelaus.com.au with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14TbDO-0001x9-00 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:05:46 +1100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:05:46 +1100 From: Matthew Meldrum To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? Message-ID: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:06:59 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Is lthis list dead? Matt -- Matthew Meldrum | matthew.meldrum@tuxia.com Tuxia Labs | http://www.tuxia.com -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 14:27:17 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:26:50 +1100 Received: from c000-h001.c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.65]:64342 "HELO c000.snv.cp.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:26:31 +1100 Received: (cpmta 17027 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 19:26:16 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO sassy.nixon.net) (61.12.32.98) by smtp.nixon.net (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 19:26:16 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Feb 2001 03:26:16 GMT Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010216142256.00b187a0@getmail.nixon.net> X-Sender: peter@getmail.nixon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:23:39 +1100 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au From: Peter Nixon Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? In-Reply-To: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:26:50 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox At 02:05 PM 16/02/2001, you wrote: >Is lthis list dead? Just sleeping... Peter Nixon mailto:peter@nixon.net http://www.peternixon.net http://www.susesecurity.com -- You have moved your mouse. Windows will now reboot. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 14:41:06 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:34 +1100 Received: from mhanoh.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.41.186]:2072 "EHLO trurl.giddy.sidetracked.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:23 +1100 Received: from localhost (jmayo@localhost) by trurl.giddy.sidetracked.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1G3eH416375 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:17 +1100 X-Authentication-Warning: trurl.giddy.sidetracked.com: jmayo owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:16 +1100 (AEDT) From: Josh Mayo X-Sender: jmayo@trurl.giddy.sidetracked.com To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? In-Reply-To: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:40:34 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Fri, 16 Feb 2001, Matthew Meldrum wrote: > Is lthis list dead? We're not supposed to answer that, are we... we might wake someone up. :) Answer: Very quiet, but not dead. -- Josh Mayo. (Everything with a Grin :) PS. I'm going to try and get myself to the Linux Business Expo in Sydney in 3 weeks. I've never been able to get to something like this before. It'll be fun. :) -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 15:32:33 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:32:00 +1100 Received: from c000-h017.c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.81]:38964 "HELO c000.snv.cp.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:31:44 +1100 Received: (cpmta 1789 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 20:31:35 -0800 Date: 15 Feb 2001 20:31:35 -0800 Message-ID: <20010216043135.1788.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 16 Feb 2001 04:31:35 GMT Received: from [203.10.231.228] by mail.war-dog.com with HTTP; 15 Feb 2001 20:31:35 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 From: craig@war-dog.com Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:32:00 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Well, I'll create some discussion...I hope its appropriate for this list.... I've just 'seen the light' and converted to Linux. Actually I tried to install a dual boot system, but due to a slight perculiarity in my setup, I managed twice to damage window. The first time I got windows going again using some unorthodox methods...the second time I gave up and decided that either windows or linux had to go, and windows went. That was about 10 days ago. It took me three complete re-installs to get thing how I wanted (RH 7.0 from one of those 'minibooks') Now I've actually reached a temporary plateu in the learning curve...I've managed to get the system working roughly how I want it for the momen. I've go my home lan with Samba, I've got Squid happily caching, sendmail..sending, fetchmail...fetching and apache...serving... My current hurdle is refining my 'multidrop' mail system. I have a catchall mail box, and using fetchmail I can grab all the mail and download it to specific users on my system (currently ME, with a heap of system alias's, and Majordomo) I've sort of got majordomo working, and have got a 'test' list that I'm busily posting to from a variety of email accounts...it appears to be working, although I've encountered a few strange glitches that I've fixed...but I'm not sure how (which is always a worry!!!) My next step is to configure my computer to dial in at unscheduled times and process the mail...including mailing me some summaries of appropriate logs to my webmail account (I travel a lot, and this would be a good way to see that my system is still ticking along) I also want to figure out a method so that I can point a sub domain (eg home.war-dog.com) to my dynamically allocated IP address. I managed to automate this under windows, so I should be able to find a way to do it under Linux. A question on Squid: I've always thought that proxies were designed to speed up the loading of web pages (and my system does work faster now in a lot of cases when re-viewing pages), how much does the use of a proxy such as squid enhance/detract from system security? Anyway, its only taken me a few days to become a dedicated (although still largely ignorant!) Linux convert. In fact I got really angry yesterday when browsing though a newsagent and I noticed that there were 30 odd magazines with 'PC' in their title, and most of them gave no mention of linux, and a couple had only a page or two. It was all aimed at Windows... There were two Linux only magazines, both imported, and both were about $18.00! Next step...to try to convert those around me... Craig 8 days and no reboot despite some extensive software installation/modification! -------- www.war-dog.com -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 15:37:16 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:36:51 +1100 Received: from c000-h001.c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.65]:32778 "HELO c000.snv.cp.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:36:27 +1100 Received: (cpmta 26135 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 20:36:16 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO sassy.nixon.net) (61.12.32.98) by smtp.nixon.net (209.228.32.65) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 20:36:16 -0800 X-Sent: 16 Feb 2001 04:36:16 GMT Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010216152854.038dbe38@getmail.nixon.net> X-Sender: peter@getmail.nixon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:29:50 +1100 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au From: Peter Nixon Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? In-Reply-To: References: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:36:51 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox At 02:40 PM 16/02/2001, you wrote: >PS. I'm going to try and get myself to the Linux Business Expo in >Sydney in 3 weeks. I've never been able to get to something like this >before. It'll be fun. :) http://www.infosalons.com.au/linuxexpo/register.html Free tickets... I'm going to turn up with my business hat on :-) Peter Nixon mailto:peter@nixon.net http://www.peternixon.net -- You have moved your mouse. Windows will now reboot. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 16:43:28 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:42:55 +1100 Received: from ewey-rwcmta.excite.com ([198.3.99.191]:36202 "EHLO ewey.excite.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:42:37 +1100 Received: from dotty.excite.com ([199.172.152.205]) by ewey.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010216054226.VCZW25056.ewey.excite.com@dotty.excite.com> for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:42:26 -0800 Message-ID: <33221752.982302146551.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dowling To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 203.37.126.212 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:42:55 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On 15 Feb 2001 20:31:35 -0800, craig@war-dog.com wrote: > Well, I'll create some discussion...I hope its appropriate for this list.... I would hope so. > I've just 'seen the light' and converted to Linux. Welcome to the club. > My current hurdle is refining my 'multidrop' mail system. I have a catchall > mail box, and using fetchmail I can grab all the mail and download it to > specific users on my system (currently ME, with a heap of system alias's, and > Majordomo) > > I've sort of got majordomo working, and have got a 'test' list that I'm > busily posting to from a variety of email accounts...it appears to be > working, although I've encountered a few strange glitches that I've > fixed...but I'm not sure how (which is always a worry!!!) > > My next step is to configure my computer to dial in at unscheduled times and > process the mail...including mailing me some summaries of appropriate logs to > my webmail account (I travel a lot, and this would be a good way to see that > my system is still ticking along) If you're looking for help with these hurdles, you'll need to be more specific. But it sounds like you have things in hand. > Anyway, its only taken me a few days to become a dedicated (although still > largely ignorant!) Linux convert. In fact I got really angry yesterday when > browsing though a newsagent and I noticed that there were 30 odd magazines > with 'PC' in their title, and most of them gave no mention of linux, and a > couple had only a page or two. It was all aimed at Windows... There were two > Linux only magazines, both imported, and both were about $18.00! You were lucky to be able to find any Linux mags. I rarely see one. > Next step...to try to convert those around me... Remember, don't hassle people about how bad Windows is, it just makes them get defensive. I find dropping little comments like "Hmm, the new Linux kernel is out; I can't wait to get that installed on my 486." has really good effects. > 8 days and no reboot despite some extensive software > installation/modification! Isn't it nice to find some software that works the way software ought to. Why on earth should a change in IP address require a reboot? -- Politas http://www.workspot.net/~politas/ _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 16 17:54:54 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:22 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.23] ([139.134.6.23]:52631 "EHLO mailin2.email.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:08 +1100 Received: from localhost ([139.134.4.56]) by mailin2.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G8U8PZ01.5TI for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:58:47 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-170-206.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.170.206]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Smegging-MailRouter V2.9c 5/3278134); 16 Feb 2001 16:54:07 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C249139565; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:53:30 +1100 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:53:30 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list? Message-ID: <20010216175330.F3259@scooter.s1.nxt> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> <5.0.2.1.0.20010216142256.00b187a0@getmail.nixon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010216142256.00b187a0@getmail.nixon.net>; from peter@nixon.net on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 02:23:39PM +1100 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:54:22 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > Just sleeping... Out on the turps again, Peter? - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au ------------------------------ http://linux.conf.au/ -- "One World, one Web, one Browser." - Microsoft promotion "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer." - Adolf Hitler -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sat Feb 17 16:06:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:05:35 +1100 Received: from c000-h007.c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.71]:44424 "HELO c000.snv.cp.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:05:19 +1100 Received: (cpmta 3377 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2001 21:04:59 -0800 Received: from co3021817-a.carlnfd1.nsw.optushome.com.au (HELO sassy.nixon.net) (203.164.62.125) by smtp.nixon.net (209.228.32.71) with SMTP; 16 Feb 2001 21:04:59 -0800 X-Sent: 17 Feb 2001 05:04:59 GMT Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010217155934.031781e8@getmail.nixon.net> X-Sender: peter@getmail.nixon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:00:54 +1100 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au From: Peter Nixon Subject: [Linux-AUS] [OT] anyone on this list? In-Reply-To: <20010216175330.F3259@scooter.s1.nxt> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010216142256.00b187a0@getmail.nixon.net> <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> <5.0.2.1.0.20010216142256.00b187a0@getmail.nixon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sat, 17 Feb 2001 16:05:35 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox At 05:53 PM 16/02/2001, you wrote: > > > > Just sleeping... > >Out on the turps again, Peter? Huh? Turps? You know I'm a good little church boy... Peter Nixon mailto:peter@nixon.net http://www.peternixon.net -- You have moved your mouse. Windows will now reboot. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 22 00:56:51 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:56:24 +1100 Received: from rebel.rebel.net.au ([203.20.69.66]:4224 "EHLO rebel.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:56:05 +1100 Received: from rebel.net.au (dialup-3.rebel.net.au [203.20.69.73]) by rebel.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA20327; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:26:01 +1030 Message-ID: <3A93CA63.AC6C401B@rebel.net.au> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:32:11 +1030 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:56:24 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Hi There! At last year's InstallFest in Adelaide, SA I helped to coordinate the documentation. This year, Richard Russell who did an excellent job coordinating the event last year has indicated he is not available to take such a demanding role. Whilst I am saving an official announcement to the LinuxSA mailing list until this weekend, I have verbal agreement with another person who also helped at last year's SA InstallFest that we would co-coordinate the event. Given that the consensus seems to be that we would like the event to occur nation-wide, either on the same day or within the space of one to two days (I prefer on the same day but, at the same time, understand this may be too difficult to achieve) I am searching for someone who has more Australia wide contacts than me to assisst in coordinating the nation wide events. This person need not be a lead organiser of any individual event; the person simply needs to have the skills to provide the information and coordination to get these events all happening. I believe it is vital we start organising now if we are to hold an event in August (or some time later this year). The logisitics of InstallFests can take a long time to organise and the more lead time we give ourselves, the smoother and better day we'll all enjoy... E-mail me off list, or on-list if you consider that appropriate. DAVID LLOYD Linux Systems Administrator -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 22 02:04:04 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:03:31 +1100 Received: (from localhost user: 'wildfire', uid#10083) by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:03:22 +1100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:03:22 +1100 From: Anand Kumria To: David Lloyd Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, jdub@aphid.net Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010222020322.F18817@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> References: <3A93CA63.AC6C401B@rebel.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3A93CA63.AC6C401B@rebel.net.au>; from lloy0076@rebel.net.au on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:32:11AM +1030 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:03:31 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:32:11AM +1030, David Lloyd wrote: > > Hi There! > > At last year's InstallFest in Adelaide, SA I helped to coordinate the > documentation. This year, Richard Russell who did an excellent job > coordinating the event last year has indicated he is not available to > take such a demanding role. Whilst I am saving an official announcement > to the LinuxSA mailing list until this weekend, I have verbal agreement > with another person who also helped at last year's SA InstallFest that > we would co-coordinate the event. You are speaking of the national one or do you mean the one in SA? > Given that the consensus seems to be that we would like the event to > occur nation-wide, either on the same day or within the space of one to > two days (I prefer on the same day but, at the same time, understand > this may be too difficult to achieve) I am searching for someone who has > more Australia wide contacts than me to assisst in coordinating the > nation wide events. Hmm, that'd be Jeff - if he isn't too burned out from organising various other things (Slug, linux.conf.au, etc.) he might be looking at doing this again. > This person need not be a lead organiser of any individual event; the > person simply needs to have the skills to provide the information and > coordination to get these events all happening. > > I believe it is vital we start organising now if we are to hold an event > in August (or some time later this year). The logisitics of InstallFests > can take a long time to organise and the more lead time we give > ourselves, the smoother and better day we'll all enjoy... I believe Jeff Waugh (CC'd) was also interested in co-ordinating this for August and he may have already begun. Good luck, Anand -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 22 02:08:59 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:08:31 +1100 Received: from rebel.rebel.net.au ([203.20.69.66]:8325 "EHLO rebel.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:08:21 +1100 Received: from rebel.net.au (dialup-3.rebel.net.au [203.20.69.73]) by rebel.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id BAA22336; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:38:16 +1030 Message-ID: <3A93DB52.AABA5600@rebel.net.au> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:44:26 +1030 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anand Kumria CC: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au, jdub@aphid.net Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) References: <3A93CA63.AC6C401B@rebel.net.au> <20010222020322.F18817@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:08:31 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Two things. Your name is VERY familiar. You don't happen to be a member of a Linux Programming list do you? Secondly. Jeff's name was mentioned. I don't know how to contact him... DL -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 22 02:14:31 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:14:05 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.96] ([139.134.6.96]:61644 "EHLO mailin8.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:13:56 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin8.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9456V01.M9Y; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:18:31 +1000 Received: from KTPP-T-008-p-162-123.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.123]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Relativistic-MailRouter V2.9c 9/1095959); 22 Feb 2001 01:13:48 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "David Lloyd" , "Anand Kumria" Cc: , Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:47:39 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3A93DB52.AABA5600@rebel.net.au> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:14:05 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > Jeff's name was mentioned. I don't know how to contact him... you just did. Anand CC'd him, you replied to all... look in your CC list and see "jdub@aphid.net" :) rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 22 02:16:12 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:15:56 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.23] ([139.134.6.23]:54400 "EHLO mailin2.email.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:15:33 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin2.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9459L00.HSS; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:20:09 +1000 Received: from KTPP-T-008-p-162-123.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.123]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Selfless-MailRouter V2.9c 9/1096283); 22 Feb 2001 01:15:26 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Anand Kumria" , "David Lloyd" Cc: , Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 01:49:16 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010222020322.F18817@ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:15:56 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > > At last year's InstallFest in Adelaide, SA I helped to coordinate the > > documentation. This year, Richard Russell who did an excellent job > > coordinating the event last year has indicated he is not available to > > take such a demanding role. Whilst I am saving an official announcement > > to the LinuxSA mailing list until this weekend, I have verbal agreement > > with another person who also helped at last year's SA InstallFest that > > we would co-coordinate the event. > > You are speaking of the national one or do you mean the one in SA? he means "... co-coordinate the [SA] event." > > > Given that the consensus seems to be that we would like the event to > > occur nation-wide, either on the same day or within the space of one to > > two days (I prefer on the same day but, at the same time, understand > > this may be too difficult to achieve) I am searching for someone who has > > more Australia wide contacts than me to assisst in coordinating the > > nation wide events. > > Hmm, that'd be Jeff - if he isn't too burned out from organising > various other things (Slug, linux.conf.au, etc.) he might be > looking at doing this again. IMHO, Jeff (and the rest involved) did a superb job last year... > > > This person need not be a lead organiser of any individual event; the > > person simply needs to have the skills to provide the information and > > coordination to get these events all happening. > > > > I believe it is vital we start organising now if we are to hold an event > > in August (or some time later this year). The logisitics of InstallFests > > can take a long time to organise and the more lead time we give > > ourselves, the smoother and better day we'll all enjoy... > > I believe Jeff Waugh (CC'd) was also interested in co-ordinating this > for August and he may have already begun. Jeff and I have had _some_ communication... personally, I'd like to see us try to promote 25th August as a worldwide event. I seriously think that all is need there is to get the date spread around and get a single page up with links to all the events... it would actually be very easy... IMHO... rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Feb 22 10:38:10 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:37:38 +1100 Received: from mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.232]:44053 "EHLO mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:37:27 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax57-070.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.218.70]) by mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1LNbPU09090 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:37:26 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D94283E6D; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:37:12 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:37:12 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010222103712.A4871@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <3A93DB52.AABA5600@rebel.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from richardrussell@mail.com on Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 01:47:39AM +1030 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.0 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:37:38 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > you just did. Anand CC'd him, you replied to all... look in your CC list and > see "jdub@aphid.net" :) Either that, or he could just mysteriously appear from the shadows. :) Best to spam me at jdub@linux.org.au for personal stuff, but this is the place to be for national installfest chit-chat. First thing to decide: Continue using this list, or have a new one? I'm happy with this one, given that we did all of last year's organisation on linux-aus. Yes, I've already started doing stuff for the national installfest, and I have to thank Richard and Sarah for kicking my arse into it so quickly after LCA. ;) A website will be up at http://installfest.linux.org.au/ soon, kinda like the old one, only with better colours [ and dynamic stuff, 'cos I had to do it manually last year, which was thoroughly boring ;) ]. There was a discussion after the previous installfest about holding this years in August, on the 25th. Let's make sure that's doable (I think so). - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- make: *** No rule to make target `whoopee'. Stop. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 23 02:12:44 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:12:13 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.87] ([139.134.6.87]:62156 "EHLO mailin10.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:11:58 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G95ZRL00.7AF; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:16:33 +1000 Received: from 203.54.158.74 ([203.54.158.74]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Applicable-MailRouter V2.9c 17/1631207); 23 Feb 2001 01:11:59 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Jeff Waugh" , Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 01:45:35 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20010222103712.A4871@aphid.net> Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:12:13 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > Either that, or he could just mysteriously appear from the shadows. :) ooah, how atmospheric :) > Best to spam me at jdub@linux.org.au for personal stuff, but this is the > place to be for national installfest chit-chat. First thing to decide: > Continue using this list, or have a new one? I'm happy with this > one, given > that we did all of last year's organisation on linux-aus. yes :) > Yes, I've already started doing stuff for the national installfest, and I > have to thank Richard and Sarah for kicking my arse into it so > quickly after > LCA. ;) heh :) As I said, I'm keen to help where I can, but doubt I'll have the time to do what I did last year... Also, I'm still keen to get more LUGs involved... does anyone else have any opinions on trying to make this a worldwide event? Personally, at this stage, I think it's more about getting LUGs aware and keen, rather than bigtime organisation... > A website will be up at http://installfest.linux.org.au/ soon, kinda like > the old one, only with better colours [ and dynamic stuff, 'cos I > had to do > it manually last year, which was thoroughly boring ;) ]. Jeff -- you are a champion :) > There was a discussion after the previous installfest about holding this > years in August, on the 25th. Let's make sure that's doable (I think so). I think that it's far enough in advance for us to just go for it unless someone pulls somehting bigger on us... rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 23 03:16:44 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:16:12 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.21] ([139.134.6.21]:60268 "EHLO mailin1.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:15:52 +1100 Received: from localhost ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G962Q700.Q7J for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:20:31 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-176-3.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.176.3]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Peppy-MailRouter V2.9c 9/1709410); 23 Feb 2001 02:16:02 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CB7D39581; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:15:08 +1100 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:15:08 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010223031508.I2327@scooter.s1.nxt> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010222103712.A4871@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from richardrussell@mail.com on Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 01:45:35AM +1030 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:16:12 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > I think that it's far enough in advance for us to just go for it unless > someone pulls somehting bigger on us... What, like: That's not an installfest! ? :) - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au ------------------------------ http://linux.conf.au/ -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 23 03:25:25 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:24:57 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.79] ([139.134.6.79]:50691 "EHLO mailin6.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:24:49 +1100 Received: from localhost ([139.134.4.56]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9635200.VII; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:29:26 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-176-3.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.176.3]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Repentant-MailRouter V2.9c 5/6939805); 23 Feb 2001 02:24:58 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 85F2439581; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:24:03 +1100 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:24:03 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Cc: Jeff Waugh Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010223032403.J2327@scooter.s1.nxt> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010222103712.A4871@aphid.net> <20010223031508.I2327@scooter.s1.nxt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010223031508.I2327@scooter.s1.nxt>; from jdub@linux.org.au on Fri, Feb 23, 2001 at 03:15:08AM +1100 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:24:57 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > That's not an installfest! Actually, not that I think about it (and it being 3am, which helps in these situations), that would make for a *kickarse* installfest tshirt. Maybe we could have a national tshirt-side design, and LUGs can make their own wacky stuff for the other? Disclaimer: When I wake up and read this email, I may be embarrassed and retract everything. - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au ------------------------------ http://linux.conf.au/ -- For a list of points detailing how technology has failed to improve our lives, please press 3. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 23 03:28:55 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:28:27 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.21] ([139.134.6.21]:63060 "EHLO mailin1.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:28:19 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G963AV00.H37; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:32:55 +1000 Received: from 203.54.158.74 ([203.54.158.74]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Magnifico-MailRouter V2.9c 17/1644028); 23 Feb 2001 02:28:21 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Jeff Waugh" , Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:01:57 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20010223032403.J2327@scooter.s1.nxt> Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 23 Feb 2001 03:28:27 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > > That's not an installfest! > > Actually, not that I think about it (and it being 3am, which > helps in these > situations), that would make for a *kickarse* installfest tshirt. Maybe we > could have a national tshirt-side design, and LUGs can make their > own wacky > stuff for the other? I like it... (I'd add "_*THIS*_ is an installfest..." to make the reference extra clear though) but it's late... go to bed! both of us (separately :) rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Feb 23 08:30:48 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:30:18 +1100 Received: from rebel.rebel.net.au ([203.20.69.66]:28385 "EHLO rebel.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:29:56 +1100 Received: from rebel.net.au (dialup-3.rebel.net.au [203.20.69.73]) by rebel.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id HAA03247; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:59:14 +1030 Message-ID: <3A958611.F32D5EFA@rebel.net.au> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:05:13 +1030 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richardrussell@mail.com CC: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 23 Feb 2001 08:30:18 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Richard and Jeff! > > Actually, not that I think about it (and it being 3am, which > > helps in these > > situations), that would make for a *kickarse* installfest tshirt. Maybe we > > could have a national tshirt-side design, and LUGs can make their > > own wacky > > stuff for the other? Yes, that does sound rather interesting. And I don't see any particular reason why we in SA couldn't go for August 25... > I like it... (I'd add "_*THIS*_ is an installfest..." to make the reference > extra clear though) How about: s/That is not an InstallFest/_*THIS*_ is an InstallFest/ Or some such thing... > but it's late... go to bed! both of us (separately :) I don't think I'll speculate on this one :-) DL -- Domine O venite O sacramentum eo deo Domine O venite O sacramentum eo deo Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum. Sacramentum eo deo -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 15:32:26 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:31:51 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:3292 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:31:34 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14218; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:31:23 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:31:22 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:31:51 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Thu, 22 Feb 2001, Richard Russell wrote: > personally, I'd like to see us try to promote 25th August as a > worldwide event. This is an excellent idea even for a national event -- having the event on different days made publicity more difficult than it should have been last year. An International event would be most impressive. So in a long winded way I am saying that HUMBUG will be ready to do an Installfest on 25 August 2001. :-) Cheers, Raymond --- raymond@humbug.org.au -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 15:59:20 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:58:50 +1100 Received: from mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.231]:38058 "EHLO mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:58:31 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax55-149.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.216.149]) by mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1P4wUS22963 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:58:30 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CE12E3C3C; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:58:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:58:39 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010225155839.C772@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from raymonds@uq.net.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 02:31:22PM +1000 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.2 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:58:50 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > This is an excellent idea even for a national event -- having the event on > different days made publicity more difficult than it should have been last > year. An International event would be most impressive. I mentioned in emails to Richard and others before that we should "get our own shit together" for this one, and perhaps go worldwide next year. If we can pull off a great national one, with coverage and all the polava we can imagine, we'll be better equipped to handle something bigger. [ We had hoped to have a single day last year, but we didn't give ourselves enough time. Some of the groups had to make different plans, but yeah, the intention was to have a single day, a big party, and something we could carrot the press with. Oh, this isn't a "the one, the only Installfest" thing, either. SLUG are having one in early March to go with the LinuxExpo -> this national idea is just so we can make a lot of noise (and drink a lot of bee-- never mind). ] > So in a long winded way I am saying that HUMBUG will be ready to do an > Installfest on 25 August 2001. :-) Excellent! - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- Markets are what you sell bubbly health drinks, flourescent blow up furniture and mobile phone ring melodies to. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 16:13:51 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:16 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:1731 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:09 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11174 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:12:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:12:58 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) In-Reply-To: <20010225155839.C772@aphid.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:13:16 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Hi Jeff, On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > This is an excellent idea even for a national event -- having the event on > > different days made publicity more difficult than it should have been last > > year. An International event would be most impressive. > > I mentioned in emails to Richard and others before that we should "get our > own shit together" for this one, and perhaps go worldwide next year. I agree. > Oh, this isn't a "the one, the only Installfest" thing, either. I know :-). Every HUMBUG meeting is an Installfest -- we always have new users installing Linux for the first time. For HUMBUG the main point of a 'National Installfest' is generating publicity and reaching members who might not otherwise hear of us and just rock up to UQ on a Saturday night. BTW, will Linux Australia be offering any centralised support? I have in mind a common web enrollment form (instead of each club having their own) that mails to a different email address for each club. Cheers, Raymond -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 16:23:05 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:22:37 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.87] ([139.134.6.87]:56104 "EHLO mailin10.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:22:32 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9ASHF00.MSU; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:27:15 +1000 Received: from 203.54.158.72 ([203.54.158.72]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Fatalistic-MailRouter V2.9c 9/2782237); 25 Feb 2001 15:23:10 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Jeff Waugh" , Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:56:15 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20010225155839.C772@aphid.net> Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:22:37 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > I mentioned in emails to Richard and others before that we should "get our > own shit together" for this one, and perhaps go worldwide next year. Mmm... Well, I still think that it could be done this year. We have the time, we did it last year, just not on the same day... we could do it this year... however, as I am not planning to be heavily involved this year, I'll leave it to those who are putting the time in to decide. Still... I don't think it would require a huge effort from Aus to get it worldwide -- all that would be needed would be to get LI on board, or generate some interest on /., and it could all just happen... but... I'll let it rest :) > If we can pull off a great national one, with coverage and all > the polava we > can imagine, we'll be better equipped to handle something bigger. > > [ We had hoped to have a single day last year, but we didn't give > ourselves > enough time. Some of the groups had to make different plans, but yeah, the > intention was to have a single day, a big party, and something we could > carrot the press with. IIRC, there were a few objections from people who didn't want it on the one day... > > Oh, this isn't a "the one, the only Installfest" thing, either. SLUG are > having one in early March to go with the LinuxExpo -> this > national idea is > just so we can make a lot of noise (and drink a lot of bee-- > never mind). ] Yes... we (I :) ) do tend to get a little overexcited and one-eyed, and forget that other LUGs do things differently... > > > So in a long winded way I am saying that HUMBUG will be ready to do an > > Installfest on 25 August 2001. :-) > > Excellent! indeed :) rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 16:31:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:54 +1100 Received: from mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.229]:34276 "EHLO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:45 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax55-149.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.216.149]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1P5UhE16061 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:43 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 795AF3E6C; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:53 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:53 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010225163053.E772@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010225155839.C772@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from raymonds@uq.net.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 03:12:58PM +1000 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.2 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:30:54 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > BTW, will Linux Australia be offering any centralised support? Apart from this here list? ;) Linux Australia is in the process of getting it's own shit together -> linux.conf.au and last year's installfest were part of that. One of the good things to come out of doing these is getting everyone in touch again, and working together. I've hoped that all these things will get LA rolling again. It would be good to see. > I have in mind a common web enrollment form (instead of each club having > their own) that mails to a different email address for each club. This is one of the things I'm going to put up on the website. :) Some LUGs already have their own systems in place, but if you don't, you're welcome to use it. - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- Lego is the plural of Lego. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 16:48:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:47:46 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:3701 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:47:25 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03401; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:46:59 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:46:59 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: Richard Russell cc: Jeff Waugh , Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:47:46 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Richard Russell wrote: > IIRC, there were a few objections from people who didn't want it on the one > day... IIRC, I was one of those people! But I am now convinced that the only way to get good press coverage nationaly is to have a national event on one day. Even though it is going to be a royal pain convincing UQ to give us a room on that day. Cheers, Raymond -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 16:48:23 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:47:49 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.95] ([139.134.6.95]:65370 "EHLO mailin7.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:47:23 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin7.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9ATMP01.J46; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:52:01 +1000 Received: from 203.54.158.72 ([203.54.158.72]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Technicolor-MailRouter V2.9c 9/2788987); 25 Feb 2001 15:47:55 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Jeff Waugh" , Cc: Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:21:01 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <20010225163053.E772@aphid.net> Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:47:49 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > > I have in mind a common web enrollment form (instead of each club having > > their own) that mails to a different email address for each club. > > This is one of the things I'm going to put up on the website. :) Some LUGs > already have their own systems in place, but if you don't, you're > welcome to > use it. http://www.linuxsa.org.au/installfest/ has an enrollment page etc... it's open sourced... Unfortunately, the registration page is missing atm... email the webmaster (michaeld@senet.com.au -- CC'd on this mail) for info and source... rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 16:51:34 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:51:07 +1100 Received: from fox.uq.net.au ([203.101.255.1]:3869 "EHLO uq.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:50:49 +1100 Received: from localhost (zzrasmit@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uq.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22684; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:50:36 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:50:36 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Raymond Smith Reply-To: Raymond Smith To: Jeff Waugh cc: Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) In-Reply-To: <20010225163053.E772@aphid.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:51:07 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > I have in mind a common web enrollment form (instead of each club having > > their own) that mails to a different email address for each club. > > This is one of the things I'm going to put up on the website. :) Some LUGs > already have their own systems in place, but if you don't, you're welcome to > use it. Great! Everyone had their own registration system and web page last time. I think it would look more professional if we had one Linux Australia hosted registration/info page. It also means one less thing for HUMBUG to organise :-) Cheers, Raymond -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sun Feb 25 23:57:21 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:56:49 +1100 Received: from [202.139.61.50] ([202.139.61.50]:42603 "EHLO laika.shortech.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:56:41 +1100 Received: from shortech.com.au (008-dial.shortech.com.au [202.139.62.8]) by laika.shortech.com.au (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4878 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:49:01 +1000 Message-ID: <3A990088.924DEAA@shortech.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:54:32 +1000 From: Andrae Muys X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) References: <20010225155839.C772@aphid.net> <20010225163053.E772@aphid.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:56:49 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > I have in mind a common web enrollment form (instead of each club having > > their own) that mails to a different email address for each club. > > This is one of the things I'm going to put up on the website. :) Some LUGs > already have their own systems in place, but if you don't, you're welcome to > use it. > Actually in this I would add a caution. Being all independant is nice, but there is a signifigant advantage in having a unified URL for the installfest. My personal recommendation would be for the National Installfest to have one single page and signon, preferably under the linux.org.au domain. My preference would be either install.linux.org.au, or installfest.linux.org.au. The one thing we don't want is for us to have to hand every national journalist who might want to report on this a whole list of URL's for further information. Andrae Muys -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 26 00:22:44 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:22:14 +1100 Received: from mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.230]:59729 "EHLO mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:21:58 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax55-149.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.216.149]) by mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1PDLvF31125 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:21:57 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 882F73C68; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:21:56 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:21:56 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] Install Fest in SA (Possible Organisers) Message-ID: <20010226002156.A464@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010225155839.C772@aphid.net> <20010225163053.E772@aphid.net> <3A990088.924DEAA@shortech.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <3A990088.924DEAA@shortech.com.au>; from amuys@shortech.com.au on Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 10:54:32PM +1000 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.2 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:22:14 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > Actually in this I would add a caution. Being all independant is nice, > but there is a signifigant advantage in having a unified URL for the > installfest. We will this year, as we did last year. Here is what we had last time: http://linux.org.au/installfest/ As you can see, some updating was left behind in all the fun. :) > My personal recommendation would be for the National Installfest to have > one single page and signon, preferably under the linux.org.au domain. My > preference would be either install.linux.org.au, or > installfest.linux.org.au. I mentioned on the list earlier that this has been done: http://installfest.linux.org.au/ I'm still hacking on the website, so it will be up soon for people to comment on, and hopefully suggest other cool stuff. > The one thing we don't want is for us to have to hand every national > journalist who might want to report on this a whole list of URL's for > further information. No, but some LUGs feel that they'd like to run their own shows too. That's cool, and we're certainly not going to disallow it or whatever. There will be links for each LUG's InstallFest page on the national page, as there was last year. -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- "I think that Clueless was deep. I think it was deep in the way that it was light. I think lightness has to come from a deep place if it's true lightness." - Alicia Silverstone -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 26 15:00:19 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:59:45 +1100 Received: from rebel.rebel.net.au ([203.20.69.66]:4131 "EHLO rebel.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:59:36 +1100 Received: from rebel.net.au (dialup-3.rebel.net.au [203.20.69.73]) by rebel.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA11812; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:28:13 +1030 Message-ID: <3A99D5DD.26A214B1@rebel.net.au> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:34:45 +1030 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linuxsa@linuxsa.org.au CC: rmanning@powercom.com.au, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: [Linux-AUS] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Install Fest SA Coordinators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:59:45 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox INSTALL FEST 2001 - SA " coordinators " ----------------------- Robyn Manning and David Lloyd will volunteer to coordinate Install Fest 2001. Following the successful event in the Year 2000, it is proposed that a world-wide event occur on or near August 25. Here is what we propose to do: * minimise duplication efforts * make sure that everyone who wants to get involved in organising this major event can be involved at whatever level they choose * work with potential sponsors, venue holders, presenters and other outside bodies on behalf of Install Fest 2001 * be available on the day, or days, to co-ordinate and help prepare the event In a similar manner as last year's Install Fest, once we start really talking about the event we will determine whether we need to take the discussion off of the main mailing list. For the moment, please talk directly to: Robyn Manning mailto:rmanning@powercom.com.au David Lloyd mailto:lloy0076@rebel.net.au Very soon, Install Fest 2001 will develop an automated set of forms for people to register, obtain information about and participate in Install Fest 2001. DAVID LLOYD ROBYN MANNING -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Feb 26 15:18:32 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:18:01 +1100 Received: from rebel.rebel.net.au ([203.20.69.66]:4857 "EHLO rebel.net.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:17:52 +1100 Received: from rebel.net.au (dialup-3.rebel.net.au [203.20.69.73]) by rebel.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA12318; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:46:04 +1030 Message-ID: <3A99DA0C.AD904E3A@rebel.net.au> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:52:36 +1030 From: David Lloyd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.18 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Waugh CC: rmanning@powercom.com.au, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Install Fest SA Coordinators References: <3A99D5DD.26A214B1@rebel.net.au> <20010226151239.N1262@aphid.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:18:01 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Jeff! > > INSTALL FEST 2001 - SA ^^ > > " coordinators " > > Um, are you talking about just the SA stuff, or the whole thing? Only the SA one. I had hoped the subject line "SA" and the attached "SA" would make that clear ;-) Now, is there anyone I should speak to on the National side who might be interested in this announcement? DL -- Domine O venite O sacramentum eo deo Domine O venite O sacramentum eo deo Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum. Sacramentum eo deo -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 01:57:35 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:57:04 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.23] ([139.134.6.23]:58665 "EHLO mailin2.email.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:56:54 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin2.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9DDQJ01.0SJ for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:01:31 +1000 Received: from KTPP-T-008-p-162-232.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.232]) by mail7.bigpond.com (Claudes-Particular-MailRouter V2.9c 15/3151188); 27 Feb 2001 00:56:36 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: Subject: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:30:48 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:57:04 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > Is lthis list dead? just wondering, on this general topic... What are other LUG's lists like? Ours (LinuxSA) gets 20-50 messages a day, on all sorts of topics... technical debates, flamewars, whatever... Is this list particularly quiet, or is LinuxSA particularly vocal? IMHO, it would be a Good Thing(tm) if we were to encourage members of the LUGs to join this list, and make it a little more active... Help the general inter-lug relations... How many people on this list, anyway? rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 02:05:16 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:04:48 +1100 Received: from mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.229]:48137 "EHLO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:04:33 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax58-119.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.219.119]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1QF4VE16916 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:04:31 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA0B83E54; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:04:43 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:04:43 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Message-ID: <20010227020443.O8646@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from richardrussell@mail.com on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 01:30:48AM +1030 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.2 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:04:48 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > just wondering, on this general topic... What are other LUG's lists like? > Ours (LinuxSA) gets 20-50 messages a day, on all sorts of topics... > technical debates, flamewars, whatever... Same with SLUG... Very busy. > Is this list particularly quiet, or is LinuxSA particularly vocal? IMHO, > it would be a Good Thing(tm) if we were to encourage members of the LUGs > to join this list, and make it a little more active... Help the general > inter-lug relations... In my time on linux-aus, it's really only been used for organisational things and announcements. I see it as a good way of getting in contact with the various LUG committees, etc. There are a few pressy kinds of people on here too, but we don't hold that against them. ;) > How many people on this list, anyway? Uh oh... ;) - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- If Perl is gaffer, and Python Magic Tape, then Ruby is self-adhesive plate gold. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 02:19:35 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:19:04 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.21] ([139.134.6.21]:60158 "EHLO mailin1.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:18:48 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9DER500.NTB; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:23:29 +1000 Received: from KTPP-T-008-p-162-232.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.232]) by mail7.bigpond.com (Claudes-Ecological-MailRouter V2.9c 15/3155734); 27 Feb 2001 01:18:34 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Jeff Waugh" , Subject: RE: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:52:46 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010227020443.O8646@aphid.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:19:04 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > In my time on linux-aus, it's really only been used for organisational > things and announcements. I see it as a good way of getting in > contact with > the various LUG committees, etc. hmm... ok... do people think it's an appropriate place for general stuff? even if just for the sake of livening it up a bit? :) > There are a few pressy kinds of people on here too, but we don't hold that > against them. ;) do you "press" it agains them? Hahahahhaaaahahh hehaha heh ehaha eeehhh haeee rrmmhmmeeh hhmrmrmm cough cough. sorry :) > > How many people on this list, anyway? > > Uh oh... ;) nah, seriously -- does anyone know? can anyone tell me approximate numbers? < 20? 21-50? 50-200? > 200? :) rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 02:30:11 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:29:40 +1100 Received: from mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.244]:40355 "EHLO mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:29:25 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax58-119.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.219.119]) by mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1QFTO432466 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:29:24 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 21AB33E62; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:29:37 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:29:37 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Message-ID: <20010227022936.P8646@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010227020443.O8646@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from richardrussell@mail.com on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 01:52:46AM +1030 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.2 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:29:40 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > hmm... ok... do people think it's an appropriate place for general stuff? > even if just for the sake of livening it up a bit? :) There are some fairly rare questions on the list... Don't really have an opinion on whether it's open for more... I guess. > do you "press" it agains them? Hahahahhaaaahahh hehaha heh ehaha eeehhh > haeee rrmmhmmeeh hhmrmrmm cough cough. > > sorry :) Apology gratefully accepted. ;) > nah, seriously -- does anyone know? can anyone tell me approximate numbers? > < 20? 21-50? 50-200? > 200? 224 members, go to http://lists.linux.org.au/ and follow the prompts. - Jeff -- jdub@linux.org.au -------------------------------- http://slug.org.au/ -- "In addition to these ample facilities, there exists a powerful configuration tool called gcc." - Elliot Hughes, author of lwm -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 02:43:24 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:42:53 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.34] ([139.134.6.34]:63749 "EHLO mailin3.email.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:42:37 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin3.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9DFUR01.6P2; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 01:47:15 +1000 Received: from KTPP-T-008-p-162-232.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.232]) by mail7.bigpond.com (Claudes-Self-Aware-MailRouter V2.9c 15/3160205); 27 Feb 2001 01:42:20 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Jeff Waugh" , Subject: RE: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:16:32 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010227022936.P8646@aphid.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:42:53 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > 224 members, go to http://lists.linux.org.au/ and follow the prompts. what's that you say? in iti a tive? initiative? and what's that mean? No, I don't want a dictionary, just tell me :) Thanks Jeff :) rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 02:46:22 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:45:55 +1100 Received: from mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au ([203.2.75.232]:47673 "EHLO mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:45:42 +1100 Received: from localhost (sdcax58-119.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.219.119]) by mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f1QFjeU21706 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:45:41 +1100 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BA1BF3E62; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:45:53 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:45:53 +1100 From: Jeff Waugh To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Message-ID: <20010227024553.Q8646@aphid.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Waugh , linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au References: <20010227022936.P8646@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from richardrussell@mail.com on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:16:32AM +1030 X-Message: Leenooks, Lienucks, Leenoos, Lienus, Let's call the whole thing off. X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.2 i686 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 02:45:55 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > what's that you say? in iti a tive? initiative? and what's that mean? No, I > don't want a dictionary, just tell me :) I had to brave majorcool to get those numbers! SOMEONE SET UP US THE MAILMAN! - Jeff -- jdub@aphid.net ----------------------------- http://lazarus.aphid.net/ -- Markets are what you sell bubbly health drinks, flourescent blow up furniture and mobile phone ring melodies to. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 10:39:32 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:39:00 +1100 Received: from laika.shortech.com.au ([202.139.61.50]:32997 "EHLO laika.shortech.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:38:47 +1100 Received: from shortech.com.au (misha.shortech.com.au [202.139.61.115]) by laika.shortech.com.au (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4400 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:31:17 +1000 Message-ID: <3A9AE900.4B896EF9@shortech.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:38:40 +1000 From: Andrae Muys X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) References: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> <20010227020443.O8646@aphid.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:39:00 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > just wondering, on this general topic... What are other LUG's lists like? > > Ours (LinuxSA) gets 20-50 messages a day, on all sorts of topics... > > technical debates, flamewars, whatever... > > Same with SLUG... Very busy. HUMBUG used to get those sort of volumes until people started complaining about the volume, and we split the list into three. Now we maintain a moderated announce list, and unmoderated general and chat lists. > > Is this list particularly quiet, or is LinuxSA particularly vocal? IMHO, > > it would be a Good Thing(tm) if we were to encourage members of the LUGs > > to join this list, and make it a little more active... Help the general > > inter-lug relations... > > In my time on linux-aus, it's really only been used for organisational > things and announcements. I see it as a good way of getting in contact with > the various LUG committees, etc. Likewise. I do remember though, LinuxSA started up a list a few years ago for the various LUG committee members. If people wanted this list to start being more general than I think it would be important to revive it. OTOH as this list seems to be operating well enough, it might just be better to start a new list if people want a national linux-users mailing list. Andrae -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 11:45:30 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:44:57 +1100 Received: from c000-h002.c000.snv.cp.net ([209.228.32.66]:35639 "HELO c000.snv.cp.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with SMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:44:39 +1100 Received: (cpmta 28319 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2001 16:44:19 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO sassy.nixon.net) (61.12.32.98) by smtp.nixon.net (209.228.32.66) with SMTP; 26 Feb 2001 16:44:19 -0800 X-Sent: 27 Feb 2001 00:44:19 GMT Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010227114220.035b7008@getmail.nixon.net> X-Sender: peter@getmail.nixon.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:43:22 +1100 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au From: Peter Nixon Subject: Re: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) In-Reply-To: <20010227024553.Q8646@aphid.net> References: <20010227022936.P8646@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:44:57 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox At 02:45 AM 27/02/2001, you wrote: > > > > what's that you say? in iti a tive? initiative? and what's that mean? No, I > > don't want a dictionary, just tell me :) > >I had to brave majorcool to get those numbers! > >SOMEONE SET UP US THE MAILMAN! hehe... Personally I like the fact that this list is nice and quiet.. I delete half the slug digests I get... :-( Peter Nixon mailto:peter@nixon.net http://www.peternixon.net PGP Key Fingerprint: 4F28 7386 EE2D 3858 AFC4 78C9 D3A8 7AA3 -- You have moved your mouse. Windows will now reboot. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 13:33:52 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:33:21 +1100 Received: from fritz.vergenet.net ([61.8.3.7]:3853 "EHLO vergenet.net") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:32:58 +1100 Received: (from conrad@localhost) by vergenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21451 for linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:32:52 +1100 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:32:52 +1100 From: Conrad Parker To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: list activity (was: RE: [Linux-AUS] anyone on this list?) Message-ID: <20010227133252.B21323@fritz.vergenet.net> References: <20010216140546.A7499@igelaus.com.au> <20010227020443.O8646@aphid.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010227020443.O8646@aphid.net>; from jdub@linux.org.au on Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:04:43AM +1100 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:33:21 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox On Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 02:04:43AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > In my time on linux-aus, it's really only been used for organisational > things and announcements. I see it as a good way of getting in contact with > the various LUG committees, etc. can we *please* keep it that way? we really do need to be able to coordinate activities nationally (installfests, conferences, whatever) and also to discuss LA activities (structure, AGMs etc.) and this list has been that forum for a few years now. Conrad. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Tue Feb 27 16:27:00 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:26:28 +1100 Received: from wal.muli.com.au.75.130.139.in-addr.arpa ([139.130.75.151]:3988 "EHLO wal.muli.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:26:07 +1100 Received: from ole.muli.com.au (IDENT:root@ole [203.41.197.1]) by wal.muli.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12427; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:25:55 +1100 Received: from muli.com.au (rbs@rbs.muli.com.au [203.41.197.11]) by ole.muli.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25195; Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:29:35 +1100 Message-ID: <3A9B3CE1.C707A12F@muli.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:36:33 +1100 From: Ron Skeoch Organization: Muli Management Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au CC: "ECI, Unix" Subject: [Linux-AUS] OPEN ELECTRONIC GOVERMENT -ECI Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F612B216BC96B509A5126814" Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:26:28 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F612B216BC96B509A5126814 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Moderator, We believe that getting Linux accepted as an alternative to M$ requires that all facilities are available. The Tax department ECI (electronic Commerce Interface) is a major step in government departments dealing in volume electronically with Business. Could you please distribute this message to all Linux contacts as we need maximum exposure or if you feel it is inappropriate indicate what you would recommend to get the message broadcast. .................................................................... You may not be aware but the Linux community is developing a campaign to motivate the tax office to issue their ECI (Electronic Commerce Interface) for the BAS returns in a linux format. THIS IS A TEST CASE! as the start of influencing all government electronic communications. Please distribute to all linux members. ................................................................... To support our position we need all possible interested parties To: Contact the ATO Business Tax Reform Infoline [ 132478] AND ..... /Or ESD Technical Support on 1300 139 373 and request the "ATO Electronic Commerce Interface" in Linux or Unix format. We have to ensure the Tax Office understand there is a substantial demand. ................................................................. "OPEN ELECTRONIC GOVERNMENT" with Business and the people - ECI THE GAME PLAN "Open Electronic Government" With the Business and the People, seeks: 1. To ensure all Government data and/or software provided via electronic format is able to be used from common operating systems and utilities, i.e.: · - Microsoft Windows/NT · - Unix/Linux · - MacIntosh · - Other ? 2. That software solutions will utilise true open standards, without proprietary extensions. (ASCII, HTML, RTF, PDF ... But NOT word) 3. The interface specification shall be an open publication. 4. Where special readers, viewers or interactive solutions are required, - they will be made available to end-users at no cost premium between operating systems. . - they will not require the purchase of more than the simple utilities. 5. All solutions provided shall NOT enable security breaches. 6. Total data transferred via the utility should be made know to the end user. ................................................................... Discussion THE GAME PLAN "To ensure all Government network interfaces are based on true open system standards" We have now started the process with: 1 the excellent article by . Rodney Gedda rodney@linuxworld.com.au http://linuxworld.com.au/news.php3?nid=472&tid=2 2. Muli's correspondence to Mr. S Vesperman (Asst.Commissioner Goods & Service Tax Queensland) has been referred to Mr. Mark Bond, (Director of Goods & Services Tax Electronic Service Delivery) for a formal response. 3. While we believe that the ACCC will be a valuable tool in bringing pressure to bear, We do not yet think the time is ready to approach them. We need to have clearly defined objectives as we cannot move the goal posts once we start. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Contact the tax office and... Would all interested parties comment to myself on the following so we can develop clear objectives: A. What open standards should be adopted by Government Departments in dealing with business and general public via electronic means. B. What format is suitable for distribution of documentation : - Plain ASCII - HTML Vers ? - RTF - PDF - When the GST commenced, the Manual was downloaded in PDF = exact copy of printed document. Now, if you want to get the Fringe Benefit Tax (FBT) A Guide for Employers 2000, the downloaded printed version 150+ pages is unformatted, without page breaks, etc. very frustrating! (I am using Netscape on Linux) C. It is of no concern that the Government does not make the ECI program code available what is important is that the interface specification is made available D. I note with the ECI software a number of individuals have offered their services to write the ECI however; I do not want to give any Government departments in the future a OUT in that no Linux person came forward to write the interface, so they have not provided same. E. 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archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Wed Feb 28 01:03:43 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:03:22 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.21] ([139.134.6.21]:58874 "EHLO mailin1.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:02:55 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G9F5WP00.OXX for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:07:37 +1000 Received: from KTPP-T-008-p-162-176.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.176]) by mail7.bigpond.com (Claudes-Emotive-MailRouter V2.9c 15/3764203); 28 Feb 2001 00:02:41 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: Subject: [Linux-AUS] LUG Incorporation Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:36:53 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:03:22 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Hello all, There's vigorous discussion on LinuxSA about incorporating at the moment. What is the incorporatedness situation among the LUGs? Does anyone have any comments on when is a good time to incorporate (as in, asap, when you get into the hundreds of members, never... etc), and how to go about it. Any caveats to look out for? Any major practical disadvantages to being incorporated? I *think* that we are likely to go for a pretty open LUG -- we'd leave as much open to anyone as we can, regardless of membership. But when it comes to voting on anything or holding office, and so on, it's members only. But there is no consensus yet, not by any means... Anyone here got any relevant experience that they would like to use to enlighten us? ta :) rr -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 1 00:13:17 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:12:50 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:63902 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:12:40 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA13199; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:14:52 +1100 Message-ID: <3A9CEA4B.4FC3D189@woa.com.au> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 23:08:43 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richardrussell@mail.com CC: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] LUG Incorporation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 1 Mar 2001 00:12:50 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Richard Russell wrote: > > Hello all, > > There's vigorous discussion on LinuxSA about incorporating at the moment. In NSW, cost is about $1,000 first year and $500pa afterwards. It costs about $400 for incorporation, but you must have a public liability policy, which costs about $500-$600pa. The cost of the public liability policy is a major Incorporation means you exists as a legal enitity and this can protect office bearers/members from being sued individually in certain events. Slug finally went for incorporation as we needed it to hire community halls/venue/etc. Very few places allow for non-incorporated groups to use facilities. Slug allows anyone to come to meetings and join the Slug List and continues vigourous discussion otherwise. Current membership is $25pa (chicken feed), which allows you to vote for committee and discounted rates at Fests/other offers. The cost of the public liability policy is a major imposition if you are trying to start a LUG. Can I suggest that LinuxSA adopts an umbrella position for all LUGS in SA and takes out a policy to cover all LUG activities in SA. This way, you will find more LUGs springing up. There is no way every township in SA can afford a public liability coverage. -- Terry Collins {:-)}}} Ph(02) 4627 2186 Fax(02) 4628 7861 email: terryc@woa.com.au www: http://www.woa.com.au WOA Computer Services "People without trees are like fish without clean water" -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Thu Mar 1 10:06:01 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:05:29 +1100 Received: from rmx325-mta.mail.com ([165.251.48.53]:33211 "EHLO rmx325-mta.mail.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:05:18 +1100 Received: from web129-mc (web129-mc.mail.com [165.251.48.149]) by rmx325-mta.mail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29224 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:05:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384908131.983401505085.JavaMail.root@web129-mc> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:05:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Battersby To: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] LUG Incorporation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: mail.com X-Originating-IP: 128.250.146.86 Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:05:29 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox > > There's vigorous discussion on LinuxSA about incorporating > > at the moment. > In NSW, cost is about $1,000 first year and $500pa afterwards. The situation is quite different in Victoria (which just goes to show how important it is to get local advice). Here you can become an "incorporated association" for a reasonable fee (I think it was less than $100), there is no compulsory public liability insurance, and the recurring annual fee is simply $40 or so to submit the annual statement, provided your finances involve less than $50,000pa. LUV incorporated in 2000, and really the only reason was legal protection for the committee members, who otherwise could have been personally liable for LUV actions (in particular we were concerned about the installfests). LUV has no membership fee, and AFAIK isn't planning on introducing one. Official membership really only entitles you to voting rights at the AGM (and various misc privileges according to the constitution (actually legally called the "memorandum of incorporation") such as calling special general meetings and being able to be voted to committee positions). Given that membership is free we vaguely restrict access to our mailing lists to members -- it's very helpful to have membership numbers to use as a bartering chip with commercial companies -- although we're not overly strict about it. The MAJOR headache in the incorporation process was drafting the memorandum of incorporation, as we wanted to allow the majority of member contact to be electronic. This involved a reasonable number of changes to the prototype constituion the govt. hands out -- not a fun thing to do. cheers, - Mike ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 2 13:53:07 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:52:36 +1100 Received: from mail.ausit.com ([203.41.163.235]:3972 "EHLO mail.ausit.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:52:23 +1100 Received: from wk1 (sun.ausit.com [203.41.163.240]) by mail.ausit.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/mail) with ESMTP id NAA26849; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:51:55 +1100 Message-ID: <200103021352260642.1CF2C602@mail.ausit.com> In-Reply-To: <134951333.983489758473.JavaMail.root@boots> References: <134951333.983489758473.JavaMail.root@boots> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (4) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 13:52:26 +1100 From: "Greg Wright" <99oyvho8j0zcpgp001@sneakemail.com> To: terryc@woa.com.au, richardrussell@mail.com Cc: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] LUG Incorporation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:52:36 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 2/03/2001 at 9:32 AM Terry Collins terryc@woa.com.au [gregausit/slug] wrote: >Greg Wright wrote: >> >> >The cost of the public liability policy is a major imposition if you are >> >trying to start a LUG. Can I suggest that LinuxSA adopts an umbrella >> >position for all LUGS in SA and takes out a policy to cover all LUG >> >activities in SA. This way, you will find more LUGs springing up. There >> >is no way every township in SA can afford a public liability coverage. >> > >> >> That would not work in NSW, public liability goes with business name and >> Incorporation, but there would be nothing stopping an Australian wide >body >> which then could have members, informal groups join the main body, this >may >> be a worthwhile venture and a way to bypass our old, colonial, draconian >> systems. > >What would not work? >You are confused about business and other incorporation. If you can find >an archive of this list and search it, you will find a URL for public >incorporation. Slug in incorporated under such. > Insurance companies will not insure multiple businesses under the one policy, thats what I was saying, so you could not satisfy either the Dept of fair trading nor an insurance company by incorporating/forming more than one non profit business *UNLESS* somone is willing to sign for the personal liability if no insurance is chosen. I cannot give legal advice but would be very careful signing responsibility for an organisation that will likely not be 100% in your control, and even then I would err. I have not read the archives nor seen Slug's business papers, if I have missed something or caused confusion, I am sorry, I only know of 2 options for non profit incorporation of an organisation in NSW, to have an organisation that would be in contact via e-mail only, but publically registered and recognised, I needed to pay just under $400 Insurance or personally sign for 2 Million liability in case of action against the organisation. Hope that straightens out what I was saying. Regards Greg Wright -- IT Consultant Sydney Australia PH 0418 292020 Available for Global Contracts Int. +61 418 292020 Web http://www.ausit.com E-mail Greg AT AusIT.com Trading As - AAA Computers -- providers of IT services. -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 2 16:23:20 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:22:58 +1100 Received: from [203.14.211.104] ([203.14.211.104]:64477 "EHLO eagle.woa.com.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:22:33 +1100 Received: from woa.com.au (terryc@owl.woa.com.au [192.168.27.10]) by eagle.woa.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19319; Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:23:56 +1100 Message-ID: <3A9F1EDB.DA1BA0BA@woa.com.au> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 15:17:31 +1100 From: Terry Collins Organization: Wombat Outdoor Adventures X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Wright <99oyvho8j0zcpgp001@sneakemail.com> CC: richardrussell@mail.com, linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Subject: Re: [Linux-AUS] LUG Incorporation References: <134951333.983489758473.JavaMail.root@boots> <200103021352260642.1CF2C602@mail.ausit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 2 Mar 2001 16:22:58 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Greg Wright wrote: > > > Insurance companies will not insure multiple businesses under the one > policy, thats what I was saying, Which is doubly NOT relevant to this conversation. I know of no LUG that is a business. I suggest you look at the structure of service clubs, sporting clubs, political parties,, recreational bodies, etc and you will find scores of organisations that have an insurance policy to cover "flea dancing" on an Australia wide or state wide basis. Hint "chapters" > I have not read the archives nor seen Slug's business papers, if I have > missed something or caused confusion, I am sorry, I only know of 2 options > for non profit incorporation of an organisation in NSW, to have an > organisation that would be in contact via e-mail only, but publically > registered and recognised, I needed to pay just under $400 Insurance or > personally sign for 2 Million liability in case of action against the > organisation. Hope that straightens out what I was saying. To be incorporated in NSW, you now need to hold a public liability coverage. 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Communication Add; P.O.Box 031-117 Shanghai 200031 P.R.China Tel: 86-13003146234 0086-21-62573631(10:00-16:00 GMT) Fax: 86-21-62573631 E-mail: lijinwei@yahoo.com URL: http://www.jwc.com ICQ: 36674672 -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Fri Mar 16 16:52:54 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:52:32 +1100 Received: from reason.levels.unisa.edu.au ([130.220.33.11]:2473 "EHLO reason.levels.unisa.edu.au") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:52:06 +1100 Received: from localhost (sarah@localhost) by reason.levels.unisa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11475; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:23:05 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:23:05 +0930 (CST) From: Sarah Bolderoff To: linux-aus cc: installfest-org@auug.org.au Subject: [Linux-AUS] T-Shirts for National InstallFest Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:52:32 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox Who is interested in a National InstallFest T-Shirt competition? I was thinking that it would be cool if the front of the shirt was the same (nation wide) while the back of the T-shirt can have unique stuff for individual LUGs/States etc. What do you think? Please send responses to the installfest-org@auug.org.au mailing list (rather than linux-aus). Sarah Systems Administrator +61 8 8302 3033 School of Computer and Information Science Room F2-65, Levels Campus University of South Australia Mawson Lakes Blvd. Sarah.Bolderoff@cs.unisa.edu.au South Australia, 5095 This message was brought to you by the numbers 0 and 1. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Sat Mar 17 20:05:01 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:04:30 +1100 Received: from [139.134.6.87] ([139.134.6.87]:62166 "EHLO mailin10.bigpond.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:04:14 +1100 Received: from albert ([139.134.4.54]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GAC42V00.CHO; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:08:55 +1000 Received: from ESS-p-203-54-162-156.mega.tmns.net.au ([203.54.162.156]) by mail6.bigpond.com (Claudes-Now-Even-Softer-MailRouter V2.9c 11/6410143); 17 Mar 2001 19:03:26 Reply-To: From: "Richard Russell" To: "Sarah Bolderoff" , "linux-aus" Cc: Subject: RE: [Linux-AUS] T-Shirts for National InstallFest Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:39:04 +1030 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Precedence: bulk Resent-From: linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Resent-Date:Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:04:30 +1100 Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aus-mbox I agree entirely. Just a national logo would be cool -- that could be the front, and local details couldbe on the back... or we could do it like a concert tour t-shirt... InstallFest2001 Australia on the front, and all the locations on the back -- however, it depends when each LUG can organise the location... rr > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au > [mailto:owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au]On Behalf Of Sarah Bolderoff > Sent: Friday, 16 March 2001 5:23 PM > To: linux-aus > Cc: installfest-org@auug.org.au > Subject: [Linux-AUS] T-Shirts for National InstallFest > > > > Who is interested in a National InstallFest T-Shirt competition? > > I was thinking that it would be cool if the front of the shirt was the > same (nation wide) while the back of the T-shirt can have unique stuff for > individual LUGs/States etc. What do you think? > > Please send responses to the installfest-org@auug.org.au mailing list > (rather than linux-aus). > > Sarah > > > Systems Administrator +61 8 8302 3033 > School of Computer and Information Science Room F2-65, > Levels Campus > University of South Australia Mawson Lakes Blvd. > Sarah.Bolderoff@cs.unisa.edu.au South Australia, 5095 > This message was brought to you by the numbers 0 and 1. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > > -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- > [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ -- archive http://www.linux.org.au/lists/linuxaus/ --- [un]subscribe http://lists.linux.org.au/ From owner-linux-aus@lists.linux.org.au Mon Mar 19 22:15:37 2001 Received: by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:15:07 +1100 Received: from [195.76.0.25] ([195.76.0.25]:36649 "EHLO globalia-corp.com") by ftoomsh.progsoc.uts.edu.au with ESMTP id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:14:53 +1100 Received: from ywYHWZH9S (slip-32-101-105-233.ca.us.prserv.net [32.101.105.233]) by globalia-corp.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19234; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:14:10 GMT From: lk89lk99@yahoo.com DATE: 19 Mar 01 3:17:21 AM Message-ID: Subject: [Linux-AUS] . 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