Re: nobody stuff

phil@nospam.socs.uts.edu.au
Fri, 31 May 1996 16:44:32 +1000 (EST)

daedalus mumbles..
>
> I support the maintaining of security on ProgSoc systems, and I
> agree that cracking is to be discouraged. Hacking is a different matter.

What is the difference? The result is the same.

> If there _was_ a security hole here, I would like to know what it _was_
> (note the emphasis of past tense) for the following reasons:

It is not the role of the system ppl to teach you how to break into this
or any other system, join a CERT advisory list.

You may be right in believing that progsoc was initially setup for learning
the more in-depth details of Unix, such as kernel hacking, or even just
hacking. But, the initial intention of progsoc getting a machine to learn
on, was that the machine was to remain off the network. As the machine is on
the network, then system ppl must maintain a reasonable amount of
responsibility, especially towards our connectors.

The aim is to setup a machine that will be cut off from the outside world
that can be used for such endeavours. However, due to lack of enthusiasm
from most, this may take some time. If you are half as keen as you seem,
you should volunteer to help.

The unfortunate thing about progsoc is that alot of the current members
joined for a free account. Are they really members or are they just users?
If so are we moving towards becoming an ISP?

phil.