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Re: [ProgSoc] Whitelist perhaps?



[ And why can't people quote emails before they send them? ]

So far the proposed solutions are:
	- a whitelist
	- only allowing subscribers to post
	- moderation
	- nothing

What's wrong with a whitelist? Well it has to be well documented, for
starters, and it does mean that spammers can also subscribe and send
(drive-by spamming).  So all it is an extra hurdle for the good to
discourage the bad.

Why not just limiting posting to subscribers? Once again, you are
subject to drive-by spamming plus you have the inconvience factor that a
few people have pointed out: use multiple address for convience (it's
hard enough getting Internet access in Estonia, let alone ssh - so I use
a *different* address) and you get inconvienced.

Once again, an extra hurdle for the good to discourage the bad.

Moderation!?! That's the ticket!  But now we have to burden some set of
people (and trust their judgement).  While I'm all for putting more
workload on the admin and the exec; surely there are more productive
things they could be doing.  We could farm it out to the rest of progsoc
- but do you really trust your fellow progsoc-ers?

I mean, you haven't even met most of them in real life. Once more make
the good people pay for the actions of the bad.

Nothing as an option? Yes, it does mean the occasional spam gets
through.  Yes, it does mean that sometimes we get spam-bombed too. But
the 'good' have no extra hurdles.  The admin tighten things up (or make
it easy to do so) so next time we can react more swiftly.

I realise that for most people -- nowadays -- extra hurdles for
legitmate people (ID cards, random pointless checks, presenting ID when
you send a package overseas, etc.) is something they've either accepted
or been brainwashed into accepting.

But we are different - we don't need to fall victim to the pointless
propaganda about terrorism.  Terrorists (spammers) should cause us to
change our way of life and inconvience us. Whielists, moderation and
subscriber only mailing lists are exactly what the terrorists *want* us
to do.

Don't fall for it.

Anand

PS: Be alert, but not alarmed.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 11:55:46AM +1000, Adam Stiskala wrote:
> Why can't it be set up so that only subscribers can post to the mailing list?
> 
> -------------
> Adam Stiskala
> 0405 808 485
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Halliday <andrew.halliday@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:52 am
> Subject: Re: [ProgSoc] Whitelist perhaps?
> 
> > >On 8/10/05, Marcus Schappi <marcus@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On 10/08/2005, at 11:42 AM, Adam Stiskala wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Probably a good idea, I'm not a fan of spam.
> > > >
> > > here here!
> > > 
> > > ~ Marcus
> > 
> > Where?
> > 
> > You'd need an interface so people could update their preferred
> > subscribed email address, as not all people use their progsoc account
> > as their primary email address. That, and bugging admin folk with
> > mailing list subscription crap is just annoying for them, and us as it
> > distracts them from more important stuff.
> > 
> > -Andi.
> > 
> > -Andi.
> > 
> 
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