[ProgSoc] TFM now on the wiki

Pat Morgan patwm18 at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 17 16:37:57 EST 2012


The short answer to your question is yes it does. It's true the way computer science is taught has disappointingly been changed. Chris and Thomas GW both have a lot of good insight and advice on this subject. I didn't start out a technical person and didn't like programming (still don't), perhaps if the courses were different I'd have been forced to learn. As it was I chose to specialise in networks and technical architecture more, might do technical writing one day.

But that doesn't mean Project Management is any less important or irrelevant for students. Or why you should be worried about the decline in technical requisites for comp sci and IT courses. Why does Project Management need examples using a range of languages? It's not even (predominately) about that, as opposed to working with (already assumed) roles under deadlines to complete a solution to a given problem with a finite budget. But then again I'm not sure what examples you were planning to use...

I have always thought until you get into the industry it all sounds so irrelevant anyway (a catch-22) but I guess I got really lucky in that regard and never worried about it.

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On 17/07/2012, at 4:20 PM, "Ben Reardon" <benjamin.reardon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm... how is project management going you ask?
> 
> Its best to say it isn't.
> 
> I had a meeting with Chris Johnson a while ago, and what we discussed blew me away completely and left me very disheartened. He focused on how the changes to how computer science is being taught means that the examples I was thinking of using will likely not be understood at all by a chunk of new alumni from UTS (let alone students). It went along the lines of "it is possible to graduate with a single intro to programming subject". Considering I was planning to use examples with a range of languages and skills, these people would find it completely inaccessible.
> 
> He also outlined how there was a range of stuff available previously to first years that did some pre-project management stuff (more self management for new uni students) that was demonstratably ignored from the number of assignments he got that did not obey those rules (and thinking back, I bet my assignments were in that category).
> 
> In short, I left with the feeling that anything I wrote on the topic would be only for people who had graduated, and even then not all of those people. Is that a fair assessment of the interest in the topic and if so, does it deserve a place in TFM?
> 
> Ben Reardon.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Tomislav Bozic <tomchristmas at progsoc.org> wrote:
> > Oh yeah, Tom, I see you noticed my little primer on crypto.
> 
> TFM's my baby. It's my job to notice.
> 
> > It actually
> > is a modification of a post I made on reddit[2] that received a lot of
> > upvotes and positive feedback (people saying it was the first explanation
> > of what crypto does that they had actually understood, etc), so I thought
> > it was worth putting it somewhere it can continue doing good, e.g. TFM.
> 
> Simplistic algorithm, but yes, does explain it quite clearly.
> 
> > Are we still going to do a print-edition TFM, or has that been axed?
> 
> No, we're still definitely putting out print editions, just as soon as:
> 
> a) we've discovered a decent wiki-to-LaTeX converter (nothing like a
> properly typeset book -- am considering wzdd's Texdown, although it will
> require some modification to handle MediaWiki syntax) and;
> 
> b) someone finishes their HTML chapter that they started ;) as well as the
> chapter on Computer Science (Thomas). There's also a planned chapter on
> Project Management -- how's that going, Ben?
> 
> With the wiki TFM and the converter in place, we could put out a limited
> run of print copies annually, or perhaps on demand.
> 
> > If so, I have a cover image in mind for this section.
> 
> Nice.
> 
> Tom
> 
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